Theowne Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 Are you allowed to use samples from originals in a ReMix? I looked over the Submission guide and couldn't find anything pertaining to this. By samples I don't mean instrument samples, I mean passages directly from the original into your mix (with your own original instrumentation and music, of course). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djcubez Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 You mean like directly sampling the mix. I don't think there's anything wrong as long as it follows the rest of the guidelines (i.e., re-arrangement). By using a sample from the original it usually means you're sticking to the original material a little to much and not expanding your boundaries. But it can work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zircon Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 Yes, I constantly integrate original material into my remixes. It's part of making a unique arrangement. However, typically, it should be material that's related in SOME way to the source material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theowne Posted January 4, 2006 Author Share Posted January 4, 2006 you're sticking to the original material a little to much and not expanding your boundaries I agree, but in the original I'm thinking of doing there's a segment that's just very hard to reproduce the exact tone of, because it uses a lot of varied tonal percussion, so I was thinking off adding it to the segment I came up with to "recreate" that unique sound. Yes, I cnostantly integrate original material into my remixes. By original I mean original game track, rather than your own original works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djcubez Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 you're sticking to the original material a little to much and not expanding your boundaries I agree, but in the original I'm thinking of doing there's a segment that's just very hard to reproduce the exact tone of, because it uses a lot of varied tonal percussion, so I was thinking off adding it to the segment I came up with to "recreate" that unique sound. Yes, I cnostantly integrate original material into my remixes. By original I mean original game track, rather than your own original works. Yes, I coostantly integrate original material into my remixes. It's part of making a unique arrangement. However, typically, it should be material that's related in SOME way to the source material. I'm sorry but ROFL. Back on topic I think it's valid. I've even sampled sections specifically for hip-hop/big beat songs. It's very cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zircon Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 Oh, go screw yourselves I don't get what's being asked. He's saying, directly sample the original.. but with your own instrumentation? Then it's not direct sampling, it's covering. Can you be more specific? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djcubez Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 Oh, go screw yourselves I don't get what's being asked. He's saying, directly sample the original.. but with your own instrumentation? Then it's not direct sampling, it's covering. Can you be more specific? I think by instumentation he means added. He said something about percussion so maybe he means using a sample plus his own instrumentation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OverCoat Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 like this? http://vgmix.com/song_view.php?song_id=3673 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zircon Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 If you can do it really tastefully, I suppose so. There's no rule against it, so it's case-by-case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theowne Posted January 4, 2006 Author Share Posted January 4, 2006 What I meant was: You directly sample a clip from the original song and insert it into your ReMix, that's all. When I said "with your own instrumentation and music" I meant that it wouldn't be there by itself, but along with your own original material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liontamer Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 What I meant was: You directly sample a clip from the original song and insert it into your ReMix, that's all. When I said "with your own instrumentation and music" I meant that it wouldn't be there by itself, but along with your own original material. Yeah, that's no issue at all. Irregardless of its relation to the game, as long as the SFX usage is tasteful and well-integrated into the track, it's fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djcubez Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 so is this a good example then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V___ Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 so is this a good example then? I'v had that on my playlist for the last 2 days, n i keep skippin to it.... hopefully there be a longer version comin out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nase Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 http://www.ocremix.org/remix/OCR00097/ This is a nice one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OverCoat Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 http://www.ocremix.org/remix/OCR00097/This is a nice one. that also violates the guidelines ;0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djcubez Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 so is this a good example then? I'v had that on my playlist for the last 2 days, n i keep skippin to it.... hopefully there be a longer version comin out? maybe lol. it really depends on my work ethic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navi Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 so, like, a hip hop mix or a dj mix (like said seith mix) would/would not be in violation of OCR guidelines by todays standards? lets say for example, i do a complete overhaul of an original - total genre change - and sampled the original, chopped, cut up, mixed and tweaked, hip hop style in a complete rearrangement of the original theme; would it be in violation of the standards? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineko Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 come on guys, THIS is an example: http://www.ocremix.org/remix/OCR00079/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zircon Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 That's a mix that will probably get removed during the upcoming lockdown. Our policy does not explicitly disallow sampling of the original, as Larry said. You have to look at it on a case-by-case basis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineko Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 That's a mix that will probably get removed during the upcoming lockdown. I know this post is going to be deleted but I love that remix. Yes it's one of my favorites, I break the rules and so on but I love that remix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V___ Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 hey, i gotta revive this slightly dead thread with an example. I wrote this up with Reason 3 for the current PRC. I used 3-4 samples from the starting minute, and manipulated them around enough to change the theme (in my opinion at least) Would this be an acceptable use of samples in a remix? link = http://www.geocities.com/v_gasm2000/FFXIII.mp3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcana Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 Sampling, though, is illegal... whereas covering is less illegal. http://www.ocremix.org/remix/OCR00079/ ^ Being locked down? Aw, I like that mix. It's kind of cute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suzumebachi Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 http://www.ocremix.org/remix/OCR00097/This is a nice one. that also violates the guidelines ;0 idk, imo, the rules aren't clear cut enough to say that that violates the guidelines. though, what part are you saying it's against? this? does not borrow too heavily from outside sources no. this: ReMixer(s): DJ Seith LOLO!Lo1lololl afk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liontamer Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 so, like, a hip hop mix or a dj mix (like said seith mix) would/would not be in violation of OCR guidelines by todays standards? lets say for example, i do a complete overhaul of an original - total genre change - and sampled the original, chopped, cut up, mixed and tweaked, hip hop style in a complete rearrangement of the original theme; would it be in violation of the standards? Would be a violation. BTW, I like the second version he did of that, but merely slicing and cutting up the source material itself is not acceptable. Your question throws some ambiguities into the picture, but if you're doing a legitimate rearrangement that happens to have some cut up sampling, that's ok. It's all about using the directly sampled original in a tasteful manner. If you removed direct sampling from a song and the arrangement couldn't stand on it's own, that's a good indication that it's a violation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_SHO_ Posted March 4, 2006 Share Posted March 4, 2006 The only problem with using material from the original mix in you remix is that it brings up even more copyright issues. Thus far, We have all been very fortunate that no computer game companies have had any issues with OCREMIX. This may be because most of the tracks being remixed are from old games where the source material was unfit for sampling (Eg. old atari inbuilt synths etc.) If we start sampling from, say, a PS2 game that has an orchestra, we are not only violating intelectual copyrights but mechanical copyrights too. If the companies let us get away with it it will be awesome and open up more opportunities. I have completed a remix of the Tenchu 1 themesong but haven't posted as yet due to this postential issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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