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For those who don't know, Allan Holdsworth is a jazz fusion guitarist who is known for his.. rather unique take on music.

 

So, I'd like to get a mass of different opinions on this.

 

Listen to the follow track:

 

 

Now, is this song an example musical genius, with unique and awesome chord shapes/modes/scales OR is it an unlistenable incoherent and nonsensical mess that has no musical merit? Or is it a bit of both? 

 

Now... based on your viewpoint, I don't believe there is a right or wrong answer, but TRY not to get too heated in this topic if you disagree with someone plz? :P Play nice :)

 

 

If you're interested in my personal opinion, I find it somewhat nonsensical, but I love the ideas present and I believe it warrants some study in order to help people create music with some originality and flair. 

 

What do you think?

 

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I find it "this video is not available"

 

for that is what it tells me.

Sadly to be expected for some people. It is youtube after all. Look it up on youtube. Maybe you'll find a version of the video that isn't blocked in your country.

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I kept waiting for it to get weird and trippy and incoherent, and then it ended. It sounds like good, solid jazz to me -- no more, no less.

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I kept waiting for it to get weird and trippy and incoherent, and then it ended. It sounds like good, solid jazz to me -- no more, no less.

 

Yeah, I've heard jazz that was way less coherent than this. The parts where the song "broke down" still felt under control and made some melodic sense.

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Dat legato! I've always loved Holdsworth. Yeah, he's capable of playing some complex stuff, but it's still always easy to follow and tap my foot to.

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Yeah, I'm not sure what you're going on about, Will; this is relatively expected in terms of jazz fusion. There's a lot more "out" stuff than this.

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Yeah, I'm not sure what you're going on about, Will; this is relatively expected in terms of jazz fusion. There's a lot more "out" stuff than this.

Whats "expected" in a certain style wasn't the point. Try asking someone who doesn't listen to jazz fusion or other experimental genres - which is a lot of people. A lot of musicians find it too much as well, which is why I asked. Based on the responses here, you all find it quite acceptable but a lot of people I asked personally (including some people from OCR) found it to out there to be enjoyable. Not that they all did, but it was roughly half the people I asked. I was curious on other peoples opinions here so rather than ask in person, I made a thread. Getting a much more one sided answer here, which is interesting :)

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"Now, is this song an example musical genius, with unique and awesome chord shapes/modes/scales OR is it an unlistenable incoherent and nonsensical mess that has no musical merit? Or is it a bit of both? "

 

Posing your question like this seemed to imply that this kind of stuff is new/avant garde; so I felt compelled to answer that it isn't. It's just further down the virtuoso rabbit hole than what most people listen to. I personally don't really care for it, no, it sounds more like noodlery/wankery than coherent musical thought.

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I found the lead melodic contour to be somewhat noodly/meandering and/or busy at 0:56 - 1:08 and 1:14 - 1:43 (was waiting for it to take a bit of a break; 1:48 - 1:58 made more sense written that way IMO), but harmonically it still made sense. Smartly written, but I felt like less scales would have helped make it more memorable.

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Sounds okay to me. It's fairly light, for the fusion jazz genre.

'Course, I can also understand why others would be turned off - the progressions are very uncommon.

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I love this type of chord progressions. I didn't entirely dig the guitar solo though, it had some cool melodies but a lot of senseless (in a way, it was still fitting with the chords haha) wankery.

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