Reno Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 Im fairly new to the entire music creation stuff, mainly Im more of a animation, 3D CGI, and digital art person, but I wanted to give song writing a try. Do most programs out there "Like Fruity Loops, or Logic, ect.) support the feature where you actually write in the notes like you would sheet music? Finale is the only program I know that does this, but does any other? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickenwarlord Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 Sibelius uses a sheet music template. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sole Signal Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 or Noteworthy Composer http://www.noteworthysoftware.com/composer/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moseph Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 Speaking for programs I've used . . . Both Sonar and Digital Performer have sheet music views. Pro Tools and Reason do not. If you want to write in a sheet music view but also want to use a program that doesn't have it, one option is to do the actual writing in a notation program like Finale/Sibelius/NoteWorthy then export the music as a MIDI file and import it into the other program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanthos Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 Cubase also supports notation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgfoo Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 Logic also has a notation view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceansAndrew Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 as Does logic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunahorum Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 I have found that piano roll is far more powerful than notation? I dk I only like notation for reading music, not writing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciel Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 I've found the notation in programs like Cubase to be really lacking and awkward for someone used to composing in a dedicated "staff paper" application. I would recommend Sibelius 5, which now has full VST support. If you just want a program to throw down some notes in without any fancy digital audio options, the other programs mentioned here should do just fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reno Posted August 31, 2007 Author Share Posted August 31, 2007 So the best out of all the ones mentioned is Sibelius 5? I'll see if I can give it a trial, and maybe buy it if its not to much. ( I bought more expensive things before....Photoshop CS2 ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanthos Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 Well, it depends what you want to do. Sibelius and Finale are designed to be notation programs first and playback tools second, and they don't really provide you with any audio editing capabilities, effects, mixing/levels, etc. as far as I know. You're basically at the mercy of their playback engine. If your goal is to make sheet music, with the added bonus of being able to hear a demo of what you've made, go for one of these. On the other hand, if your goal is to produce high-quality digital music that won't actually be played back by live musicians reading from the sheet music (i.e. if the reason you want sheet music is because you're more used to composing that way), you should go with a DAW (digital audio workstation; basically a program that has mixing capabilities, effects, can apply all kinds of plugins, synths, and sample-based instruments, can sequence MIDI, etc.). Programs like logic, reason, FL Studio, Cubase, and Sonar are all DAWs, some better or worse at certain features than others. As people have mentioned, some DAWs have notation editors. None of those will be as good as Finale or Sibelius, as Finale and Sibelius are dedicated notation tools, but on the other hand, DAWs allow you to produce higher-quality audio. If you only care about sheet music, get a notation program. If you care about actual audio, go with a DAW. You could consider one that has a built-in notation editor, or you could also consider getting a DAW along with a scaled-down version of Finale such as PrintMusic or Allegro, doing the notation there, and bringing it into a DAW to produce audio. I've found Finale PrintMusic, which cost me around $100 to be sufficient as a notational tool, and in all honesty, there aren't a lot of notational features that Finale provides and PrintMusic doesn't (or, at least, there weren't when I bought PrintMusic 2006 a year ago; I haven't kept up with the latest versions). Sure, you lose the higher-quality Garritan plugins that Finale proper has, but if you're doing the audio in a DAW anyway, you probably won't care. EDIT: Also, Finale vs. Sibelius seems to be a matter of debate, but I'm not convinced that one is significantly better than the other in any feature, just like there are people here who will champion their favourite DAW over all others, deserved or not. If possible, try to demo them both if you're spending that kind of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerrax Posted September 1, 2007 Share Posted September 1, 2007 Its true that Logic does notation, but its so counter-intuative that its really not worth it. Maybe I've just been using piano roll too long... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexis Posted September 1, 2007 Share Posted September 1, 2007 Sibelius is a lot more user friendly whereas Finale assumes you know what you're doing on a computer. Neither are exactly ideal for mixing, but if you're like me and can't stand the little shitty notation things that come in most mixing programs, you're gonna want to look at either Sibelius or Finale. (I prefer Sibelius because of the way the quick entry works, but that's just me) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reno Posted September 1, 2007 Author Share Posted September 1, 2007 I tried the demo of Sibelius and really liked it alot better than Finale, you can just work faster, plus the demo compositions sound really High quality, so Im defiantly going to think of buying this some time. Thanks everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexis Posted September 1, 2007 Share Posted September 1, 2007 Yessssssss another sibelius user. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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