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  1. I think what you're hearing may be the melody jumping to and/or away from chord extensions, which makes them stand out more than if they were approached/left by step. The harmony for the section from 1:29 to 1:43 is:

     

    Eb M7(9, or arguably an anticipation of the next chord), Bb M7(9), D mi,  A mi7/C(b13) [or C add13(11)]

     

    with the extended melody notes listed in parentheses. In particular, the F to C to F jump happens twice (1:31 and 1:39) and doesn't completely sit within the unextended harmony either time.

     

     

     

    EDIT: Not sure how familiar you are with theory regarding chord extensions and their notation, so if you have questions, certainly ask.

  2. The actual logical solution for this argument would have been to implement processing options in the player devices themselves (which some seem to be doing for movies/TV with "late night mode").

    I would kill for a portable MP3 player with built-in compression and leveling options. It would make listening to classical music in noisy environments such as buses and airplanes so much more pleasant.

  3. Kind of a long shot here, but ...

     

    Have you uninstalled the Battery 4 demo before trying to install the full version? There's a remote chance that the full installer isn't prompting for a library location because it sees and decides to use the demo's library. You should be able to check whether this is the case from within Battery by going to Edit > Preferences and checking the library filepath in the Library tab.

  4. I think the melody up until 0:50 doesn't play nicely with the accompaniment. You have a quiet dulcimer sort of instrument playing melody over top of loud brass stabs, and the brass tends to cover the melody up. The orchestration is much clearer after 0:50 because first the brass drops out, then later the melody itself is played by the brass. In the section before 0:50, I'd suggest either toning the brass down substantially or playing the melody on a trumpet instead of the dulcimer-like instrument.

  5. For optimal results with any string library, you're going to be better off working with MIDI directly in FL Studio rather than triggering sounds from Sibelius. The FL Studio piano roll view gives you a fine-grain control that you don't get in Sibelius, and you'll need this degree of control to get the most out of a library. I'm not sure how Sibelius deals with MIDI CC events, but you'll need to be comfortable with editing them to use a string library well and it will almost certainly be easier in FL Studio. At very least, I'd recommend exporting MIDI from Sibelius and then importing in FL Studio, or better yet, actually performing things from the score into FL Studio with a MIDI keyboard. If you're okay with having meh playback while you work in Sibelius, I'd suggest not bothering with samples at all in Sibelius and saving that until after the composing is finished and you're working with the notes in FL Studio.

     

    You might try experimenting with layering Session Strings Pro over the Kontakt factory strings. (This will likely be easier in FL Studio than in Sibelius.) The idea here is to use Session Strings to get better attacks and more articulation variety and flesh out the timbre by mixing in the larger ensemble found in the Kontakt factory strings. You may even get good results layering the Kontakt strings over themselves, which would let you layer articulations with stronger attacks on top of the standard sustains, which have weak attacks.

     

    Edit: An additional reason to use FL for samples rather than Sibelius is that sample use can sometimes be counterintuitive when compared with score notation. For example, you sometimes want to use short articulations (staccato, spiccato, etc.) to get very short legato notes that would be notated with slurs. In FL, you would choose the articulation(s) based on what sounded good and that would be that, whereas in Sibelius, you'd either have to notate things in a way that didn't make visual sense in order to get the short articulations or you'd have to reprogram the articulation assignments, which would mess up playback in other parts of the score. Judging from the YouTube example with the Sibelius score, this is part of the problem you're having with legatos -- Sibelius has chosen a sustain with a weak attack for your slurred notes, when instead you want an articulation with a stronger attack.

  6. My gut reaction is that if you don't yet have the experience to know when you've outgrown a library, then the thing causing you problems is probably more your lack of experience than the libraries themselves. Action Strings is pretty specialized in application, but you should be able to get decent results with Session Strings Pro combined with the Kontakt factory strings library. ("Decent" being relative, of course, since I'm not sure where exactly you're setting your goalposts.) This is not to say that upgrading to something else wouldn't have any benefit -- it likely would -- but don't assume that a more expensive library will necessarily solve your problems.
     
    That said, here are some things to ponder in making the decision:
     
    Are there particular aspects of the libraries you have now that you like or dislike? When considering a new library, it helps to have a fairly clear idea of what things do and don't work for you and of the weaknesses in your current string palette that you're trying to address.
     
    Building on the previous point, do you have a feel for the sort of workflow you prefer? Triggered phrases like Action Strings? Keyswitches like Session Strings and the Kontakt factory strings library? One separate MIDI track per articulation? If you have a strong preference for a particular workflow, it may be a significant factor in deciding what library would be right for you.
     
    Out of the articulations available to you, how many do you actually use? Are you currently missing articulations that you need? Are you satisfied with your current legato patch(es)?
     
    Do you know much about arranging music for strings? Good writing can go a long way in carrying mediocre samples.
     
    What is your budget?
     

    This is a running list of the pretty good string libraries around right now:

    -Spitfire Sable

    -Spitfire Mural

    -Audiobro LA Scoring Strings

    -Berlin Strings

    -CineSamples CineStrings CORE

    -Various Libraries from Vienna Symphonic

    -Cinematic Strings 2 (this is what I have, and it's wonderful)

    Now, now, just because you don't like Hollywood Strings ...  :razz:

  7. I've never really understood why EastWest bothered with keyswitch patches at all in the Hollywood series. The libraries are clearly designed to be used in a multi-patch configuration, and the keyswitch patches are inflexible/incomplete and seem like an afterthought.

     

    Contrast with VSL, which is set up so that it's extremely impractical to do anything besides keyswitching, which is an annoyance for me now that I prefer multi-patches and have set my workflow up to make the Hollywood series easy to use.

     

    You just can't win.  :<

  8. A potentially helpful approach that I generally use:

    Try coming up with some sort of emotional arc for the piece first rather than plotting material similarities. For example: Starts fast, then slows down with a darker timbre, dissolves into solo piano, strings join piano, things get fast again leading to the end. I typically give myself rough clock times and/or measure counts for the duration of each section because this helps me work out the pacing.

    When working with themes and materials, try sketching out multiple versions of each musical idea -- different harmonizations, different rhythms, different amounts of embellishment in melodies, and so forth -- without being too detailed or trying to determine where in the piece each version will fall (or even if each version will be used at all). When you've sketched two or three or four versions of at least a couple of different brief passages of music, go back to your emotional arc and explore which of the sketches you've come up with seem to work best with various parts of the arc.

    Once you've made rough assignments of materials to positions within the arc, think about large-scale harmonic movement. Where are the tonally stable areas? What keys? Where does it modulate? How long does it take to modulate? The purpose of this is to figure out where every section of the music is eventually going to end up tonally, because this knowledge generally makes it easier to write interesting and strongly-directed harmonic progressions and also removes some of the but-what-happens-next? anxiety that always comes with writing blind.

    With the overall harmonic movement planned, start thinking about transitions between the arc's sections and what materials those transitions will be generated from. I find when writing transitions that it's generally very effective to take melodic and/or harmonic fragments from the preceding section and jumble them together a bit. If you do this, it helps to have a harmonic roadmap as discussed above because that roadmap can tell you a lot about, for example, what pitch levels to try transposing these fragments to or what accidentals to throw in. Knowing the measure count in advance can help with pacing, although I often find my transitions end up going longer than I'd initially planned. The boundaries of transitional sections such as these can be blurred a bit if necessary by adjusting how large the repeated fragments are and how much harmonic difference there is with the preceding non-transitional section. It usually feels less transitional, for example, to repeat an entire phrase several times in similar harmonic contexts than to repeat a one-measure fragment several times at different pitch levels.

    Finally, start working on a full sketch. Expand your mini-sketches so that they occupy their designated time segments and are in their respective correct keys, then stitch them together with fragment-based transitions that follow their own length designations and the overall harmonic framework. If all goes well, you'll end up with something that is well-paced, uses limited materials effectively, has a coherent and interesting large-scale harmonic foundation, and generally feels at any given moment like it's moving forward instead of stagnating.

  9. I second the recommendation to read an orchestration book and would add that orchestral music doesn't necessarily have to be harmonically complicated to work well. Learning is always a good thing, of course, but there are plenty of successful orchestral composers who don't have a strong theory background.

    In addition to open-ended arrangement projects that involve a lot of new note-writing, you may find it useful to do some straight-up orchestrating where you pick a piece of piano music (fully fleshed-out with all the notes written rather than with chord symbols) and then assign all of the notes to various instruments without writing any new notes or really changing anything beyond transposing to a given instrument's range. This would let you focus on the instruments themselves without having to deal with the arranging process at the same time, and it should help you get a better feel for how the instruments function within an ensemble -- especially if you do it in conjunction with reading an orchestration book.

    Additionally, it might also be helpful to begin your actual arrangements as piano sketches so you can work out most of the note details before complicating things with all the nuances of instrument assignments.

    The quickest, dirtiest piece of advice I can give on writing interesting harmonies is to write boring harmonies and then move the notes chromatically to fill in space between the boring harmonies. Then shift the beginnings/ends of some of the notes forward or backward to create new dissonances against the other notes (suspensions and anticipations, in technical terms). You'll get some interesting sounds, and starting with a framework of sensible but boring harmonies will ensure that the chromatic bits generally sound like they're going somewhere rather than just being arbitrarily strung together.

  10. As timaeus said, technically, yes.

    As far as OC ReMix is concerned, the generally positive response from game publishers (Street Fighter II Turbo HD Remix soundtrack, Capcom-approved/licensed commercial release of a Mega Man anniversary album) and the fact that Square Enix's legal team said "Please don't use audio samples from our games" rather than "Don't use our music at all" suggests that the copyright-holders tend to be okay with what we're doing here.

    EDIT: Also, for what it's worth, I believe the licences for Valve games explicitly grant permission to use the art assets in non-commercial fan works.

  11. For a USB MIDI connection, it would depend entirely on whether the drivers support XP. If you already have an interface with MIDI in/out that's XP-compatible, though, you could always run a MIDI cable from the keyboard through the interface rather than using USB (assuming the keyboard in question has MIDI in/out in addition to USB).

  12. Hey everyone. I've been listening to Flying Lotus's Cosmogramma for the last couple weeks and I'm just in love the his drum programming.

    I'm wondering if anyone knows how he gets such a heavy and clear bass kick in his song "

    " (starts at 0:25). I believe he's using a mix of an 808 kick and a sine being glissed down, please correct me if I'm wrong though. I've tried working with 808 kicks but they never come out very clear like this, and if they do they end up clipping.

    Does anyone know how I could get it them to sound very upfront in the mix and still keep the rest of the track sounding clean?

    Thank you for any advice.

    Sounds like the kick is mono, has some pretty heavy distortion on it, and is sidechained so as to duck the rest of the mix when it hits.

  13. I'm hearing a lot of clipping (mostly in the right channel). You'll probably need to bring the master level down and/or use more compression and/or use a different limiter. Other than that, I think the mix works well. Everything is clear; frequency balance is good.

    Not a lot of variety in the arrangement -- the dense parts are mostly brass doubling the piano melody with string sustains and a whole note bassline. It would be nice to hear something more going on in the accompanying parts. A more active bassline, string movement or at least ostinatos, maybe something occasionally replacing the piano on the main melody, etc. I feel like most of the activity and excitement is coming from the percussion right now, and transferring the feel of the percussion into some of the other instruments would go a long way in spicing up the arrangement.

  14. I love the arrangement. The mix seems a bit muddy and lacking in high-end; you might have good results trying a harmonic exciter on it. The stereo positioning works for me, but the soundfield still feels a bit cramped. I think it's because there's not much front-to-back depth, which is mostly a reverb/early reflections thing. Some of the percussion seems really dry compared to everything else, and I think the brass levels could stand to be raised a bit -- the strings are dominating right now.

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