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...I would use a plugin like FL Keys and then play the song with a MIDI keyboard.
Even mouse-clicks with a soundfont or FL Keys, if properly done, can be put to good use.
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Not kidding, I was totally looking for a midi of this song once he mentioned remixing
I'm a big chuggaa fan as well! This is very well done, I am having trouble finding complaints, maybe lower the vibrato on the higher strings a little bit. Everything else is beautifully done, the bells, the marimbas, the lower voice, it's so nice.
I'm glad you loved it so. Thank you!
By the way, I'm almost done with the montage; I need to assemble it. Can't wait for the video responding time!
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Things I could say are wrong:
1. Maybe too cover-y
2. The bell sounds kind of have too much emphasis on the annoying high frequencies. Maybe EQ them a bit?
3. Most stuff is panned right quite a bit.
4. Lacks variety slightly.
I think that's about it. Other than great, nice arrangement! It was quite enjoyable to listen to. Just add a little bit more variation and dynamics and I think it'll be a lot better.
Thank you.
Actually, a lot of stuff has been panned to the left because I was actually copying, to the T, the arrangement in an orchestra. We had the bells (left), the harp and piano (left again), the violins and violas (left)... Only the bassoon, celli and basses were right. I might've not done it right, and I would really like some guidance. -
Yes. This is my estimate for the time I took, give or take. Exporting took longer, because of the instrument banks I used. I'm actually wondering right now at how I made this in such a short time, but I know I wanted to get it done quickly so that I could finish the montage for YouTube (with quotes from SPM) and then post it as a video response to Chuggaa's vid.
Practically the entire set-up for this one was several copies of Fruity Soundfont Player.
There's an orchestral SF which I share with Phyrnna (HalcyonicFalconX), the writer of the soundtrack to the Epic Battle Fantasy games. It's called Squidfont, and it's got most, if not all, of the orchestral presets. I used that for the strings and winds.
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Remix: http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/492839
Source:
This remix was prompted by
, and in it, he brought our attention to the Overthere Shrine theme, saying that this theme deserved remixes, orchestral arrangements....... Because I was moved by how beautiful the song was, and the context in which it played, I decided to make this remix. And so I sat down to FL 10 and finished this in about half an hour.I was influenced by--
- Grambi's sadness upon losing Luvbi.
- My own sadness upon finding out about how my father and some of my friends had lost their ways.
- The awe and wonder I had whenever I thought of Heaven.
- The longing to come home and put everything back the way it once was, or perhaps better.
- Meeting Him face-to-face.
I'm sorry, I'm about to cry.....
The Overthere Shrine theme plays in Chapter 7-4 of Super Paper Mario, from the second visit onwards, if you're curious to know where this theme comes from.
- Grambi's sadness upon losing Luvbi.
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As a pianist and a Kingdom Hearts fan...
1) The intro and much of the piece feels insanely heavy, what with a lot of chords on the lower register...... Broken chords/arpeggiations to the rescue please!
2) Did you ever let go of the damper pedal at all????? -__-
3) 1:49 picked up the piece quite a bit. The chords got largely better.
4) On the subject of chords...... Your chords at the beginning of the melody, after the intro (Donna toki datte...) sounded off. There were chords in later parts which actually did sound off too.
5) 2:29: Melody and bass line in consecutive octaves........ Really big no-no.
6) There wasn't much dynamic variation; the notes stayed at the same loudness. In the original, the verses (Shizuka ni........) are softer, and then they build up. You might want to actually take a leaf from the original book and see what you can pick up from there.
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I like how you gave your own spin to Rao's theme, I love the piano parts, and how you made it a bit more upbeat.
However..... (in come the minus points and suggestions, takes deep breath)
1) There wasn't much volume control in most of the instruments. The instrument layering determined how loud or soft a certain part of the piece was. I used to make that mistake before...... The parts need to sound a bit more human. Right now, some parts sound very, very MIDI-ish.
2) Considering you made this theme sound sultry..... I do suggest one thing: Start at the original tempo (as in Okami), with the piano, build up and then... BAM! In comes the upbeat Rao's theme! That's probably a good way to express who Rao is: she comes in and seduces Issun and wins Ammy's trust, and then.... she reveals her true colours.
3) I'm getting a mixed feeling from this. Some parts sound very seductive. I quite like them. Some parts, on the other hand, sound almost like they could be played in an office setting.........
The main thing that gashed it for me is the lack of expression. Dynamics, volume control. Build up on that, and you'll make the piece far better than before.
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I'm making this review in my capacity as a classical/jazz/piano afficionado.
Beautiful piano playing there; if there's one part that struck me, it's 1:52 onwards. But comparing that with the source melody.... I found it difficult to actually connect the remix to the source. The broken chords/arpeggios are beautiful, granted, but there are a lot of them (I can safely say too many), and they do distract me from hearing the melody. I mean, the piece even began like that!
What I would suggest is introduce with the broken chords... make the melody audible in the first section or two, and then, when you've made people familiar with the piece, ad-lib. With this, you will be 1) drawing listeners' attention, 2) building up for a climax which listeners will be waiting for. Right now, I couldn't even make head or tail of where the piece was going.
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Probably the most peaceful/cheery version of Green Hill I've ever heard to date. And... I have a soft spot for good orchestrations. Somebody should turn this into a field theme or credits theme or something!
I admire your chord work in this piece. I really do. Sometimes, the chords are enough to tell that it's Green Hill. There's a decent amount of variation, which I enjoy. My favourite parts are all the places where the celesta comes in.
Respect.
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I'm quite impressed! Some parts of the remix actually put a huge smile.
There's..... nothing I can point out that needs improvement.
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1.What do you think of the overall mixing? Is it well balanced?
I'm not a master in mixing, but for some reason, I hear a lot of things at the centre. Not sure whether you did it or not, but that's just what I'm picking up.
2. I’m having trouble on mixing and EQing the drum. Do you think I did a good job or does it need some improvements?
I can't really say. Sounds fine to me. It wasn't overpowering, the chords were well heard, and the guitar melody line stood out, which is a good thing.
3. What must be worked on?
For some reason, I find the way you resolve to the C chord in the first bit of the melody very, very awkward. Also, there's a section towards 3:00 where the melody and bass line go together in almost consecutive octaves......... Ouch, to say the least.
4. What is perfect?
The section in the middle where the bass line actually plays the melody. From that point onwards, there is variation, and it's quite nice to listen to. And then, that solo. <3 Also, the piece ended very well.
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A few things to note:
I like the general light-heartedness of it all, and I like the pizzicato strings a lot. From 1:13 it gets better.
However, from 1:49, the melody line is drowned out by the rest of the instruments. Not sure if that was intended, but it's difficult to pick it out. The slowing down from 2:30 to 2:35 is anti-climactic in a not-very-good way: yes, it's meant to be anti-climactic, but it doesn't sound as if it's been resolved. The percussions are left hanging, and that makes all the other parts sound terribly disjointed, I find.
Also, I found the lower percussions a bit overpowering in the introduction (and the sections where there wasn't much of a bassline).
The piece ended well.
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I have to agree with the person before me that the drums aren't the best. I do love the lead synth, and I really like the fact that you're pretty accurate in recreating this song.
I do enjoy your solo a lot, it gives it a personal spin — but other than that, there isn't much that defines "you". Some extra chords perhaps? A little bit of breaking the tune apart and/or variation?
Also, I find the ending very abrupt. The synth should be left to decay naturally, rather than just having it cut off. You can do that by just dragging the last pattern(s) by a few beats or even a bar.
Build up on what's good, knock out the kinks, and you're on your way.
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I'd love to hear some of this arranged a little more (mostly Namine), and it could be one of my favourite mixes. I almost audibly squealed when I read the thread title.
Naminé? I'll try that the next time. Part of the reason as to why there's a lot of Kairi and a bit less of the other two was because at the time I played this (a year or two before sequencing this), I wanted to make it clear that Naminé and Xion are linked to Kairi, and the story should end where it all began.
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Not familiar with the sources, but this is a sweet track. Seems more written than played tho, I hope you've improved the whole humanization aspect of your music since.
The entire thing was moused in, and I had no inkling of volume control back then. Even now I still mouse in my notes, but I do exercise a bit more volume control these days. I don't have a MIDI keyboard to my name; I can't afford one.
Here are the sources —
Kairi's theme:
Naminé's theme:
Xion's theme:
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This one dates back to last year, and is the earliest of my VG mixes.
Demo FL Studio 9 all the way.
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Which is why I said that I wanted the tracks to keep their original atmosphere, but what we don't want is for it to literally take elements from existing tracks. Every Ace Attorney game (while using a couple themes throughout like this one will) has entirely new songs. Heck, they even jump back and forth with tones and genres.
I just want to check and make sure you're okay with all of these new tracks being like this, because as much as I don't want to say it, you don't sound too comfortable with how we'd like things to run. I do respect that we're making the request here, but the entire team is composed of Ace Attorney fans/veterans who know the game inside out, so we do know what we're doing. I'll just mention that if you're feeling uncomfortable with this in any way, this is a big request so it may be in everyone's best interest to find someone else before getting too far in; we do need someone who can work with us on each track from start to finish to be made in the way we planned. Sorry for those previous notes, but it kind of did sound like you had your own separate ideas- just wanted to triple check while I had the chance.
I trust you guys.
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... don't do what I did, don't submit to the judges panel blindly. The standards are a little specific and even if you're an experienced musician with good production skills, that doesn't guarantee you to get past the arrangement standards. Unless you're a talented guy with good production skills and a lucky arranging style that fits with the criteria of OCR, you're going to get rejected first time.
I'm already deterred from submitting anything to the judges — as much as I want to, one, I know for sure they're going to turn round and say something is wrong. Two, I have the best of ideas but with all the limitations that I have, I CANNOT express them. Three, I can't even afford a studio mic. What I have now is from two years of continuous improvement — I started by recording my vocals with a phone mic. Yes, you read correctly. A phone mic. All the talent and ideas in the world are not going to help me until I'm somewhat better equipped, which I will not be in the near future.
I know this isn't taking me anywhere, but this has added to my frustration. I'm sorry.
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Wait...wasn't the AA just supposed to be an abbreviation of Ace Attorney?
THANK YOU. Seriously, thank you.
The whole reason behind my shortening of Ace Attorney into AA was just to quickly get the point across that a game wouldn't sound like it's from the series without the motifs from its previous songs, or the similar atmosphere in general.
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Are you trying to run the actual address of the IRC server in a browser window, or are you saying your computer can't access the java applet that is hosted for connection to the OCR IRC? If its the former, that's likely not going to work in any browser. You need a client, like mIRC or XChat2 or even Pidgin, to connect to an IRC server and then select a channel or channels to talk in. If it is the latter, not sure but maybe your ISP is blocking the protocol.
That probably sounds like technological mumbo-jumbo, but the bottom line is if you can't connect through the applet in the browser, you need to get a client program and connect through that. There's a few guides on the web for connecting to IRC, depending on the program you use. I recommend using XChat 2, which has a free Windows port and a pretty good setup guide.
Question -- does the channel not work with Chatzilla? I have Chatzilla installed but I'm not sure if that could be of use.
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Well you don't actually need real instruments I record with my MIDI keyboard, but it all runs through various VSTs anyway to emulate different instruments. In fact, you'll find most people here don't actually play any instruments, everything is computer generated by just writing midi tracks in a DAW. The soundfonts and presets in FL will be a good start, but then you can always obtain additional VSTs in the future to expand your musical library.
I wouldn't try to think that the song needs to fit in a Sonic game. Music can be reinterpreted and arranged in any way you see fit. Even your mix for example sounds drastically different than the indie rock original version. Just try to think about different ways you could interpret the source tune in your own style. Just by listening to your vocal mix here, for example, I could imagine slowing down the tempo a bit, adding in some driving piano harmonies to accentuate your vocal layers, maybe some held strings to add a bass presence, and maybe a bit of hand percussion for beat/time-keeping purposes. I'm not sure how familiar you are with all the music here on OCR, but a lot of our remixes sound quite different from their originals.
If you are new, take a look around the Music Composition & Production forums. They have a lot of helpful topics from really helpful people on how to get started on all aspects of music production. It can be really beneficial, regardless of your level of familiarity with VSTs, DAWs, and other random acronyms
Got it. Thanks for the heads-up!
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Ahhhhhh the annoyances of piano humanization. It's really not all that bad once you get used to it. I've recorded with a MIDI keyboard and with a mouse before, and there are benefits to both. Whenever I MIDI record I end up tweaking stuff by hand anyway (cause I'm not that good of a piano player). There are a lot of things you can do to mouse point-and-clicked piano to make it sound more natural, like editing note velocities and adding little imperfections (like having notes overlapping, making some notes ever-so-slightly offbeat, etc.).
As for your song itself, I'm not familiar with the source, but I like what I hear. You do have a very good voice, but (to me at least) it's quite clear that this was recorded on a poor quality mic. I think you owe it to yourself to record it with a studio mic! Adding some piano, some strings, and maybe even some hand percussion (depending on the direction you want to take it) would definitely be awesome too. I like Liam's suggestion of doing an acappella intro and then adding instruments over time.
Great start!
My source was
- I sang at the same speed as the intro because I had this song playing on my headset whilst I sang to it.I haven't an instrument to my name, despite me being able to play the piano well (by well, I mean Grade 8 in 2003), so I have to make do with FL's soundfonts, samples and humanisation. Really, when I think hard about how to make the instrumental, I haven't the faintest idea. The best would be for it to sound like it actually fits into a Sonic game -- and apart from Sonic Boom (for Sonic CD), all the other themes are rockish. And I sound like autotuned Enya!
.....I really don't know where to take this, yet. I've added a few more vocal layers, making the total twelve, and it sounds just that bit fuller.
(That, and I can't afford a studio mic yet... T_T I'm a student, and somewhat unlucky enough to be unemployed!)
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Hey, thanks alot. I really appreciate that kind of feedback
Yea, I use FL Studio and will most likely try your advices.
Do give it a shot!
I can tell you this -- I have received help on FL Studio from two people on NG already, and I'm passing on to you what they've passed on to me.
You can do it!I'm struggling with FL myself, but hey.
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Book of Days by Enya.
Video link, for those who wanna listen.
Link's Awakening: Balland of the Wind Fish
in Post Your Game ReMixes!
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It's been a while, OCR. It has been a while. I've been beaten down by many, but that hasn't stopped me from trying.
This is my latest attempt at a video game cover of any kind: a French version of the Ballad of the Wind Fish from Link's Awakening.
That voice is mine, as are the lyrics and music. Now have at that song, for I've done all I could.
EDIT: TITLE IS BALLAD OF THE WIND FISH, I don't know how that stray N got in.