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on another note, the more I read of what you post in this thread, the more it's beginning to seem like your entire aim in this project is to get people to arrange these songs purely for your enjoyment. it's like a "screw everyone else, screw the artist, do it my way or go to hell" kind of attitude.
but hey. I'm not in charge of this project, so in this regard my opinion is apparently null and void when the all-deciding project leader steps in.
I knew what you were responding to. But my response wasn't intended to be malicious. I was setting him straight. His opinion was that anything he produced would be better than what anyone else on this project could produce. He thought that his contribution to the project would be worth more than the other contributions, and he would be wrong in thinking that. All contributions will be equal.
"screw everyone else, screw the artist, do it my way or go to hell" <-- yeah, that basically sums it up.
However, 'my way' is looser than you make it seem. My way, as stated in the first post is that the songs must evoke nostaligic and melancholic emotions, and preferably feature at least two of three genres, rock, ambient, and orchestral. That's not such a hard thing to do. I wasn't asking people who usually make trance music to make orchestral. I was asking people who usually make rock/ambient/orchestral to join the project, and do what they do best.
Then things get tricky.
The deciding factor is...whether I like it or not.
I'm not that picky, really. I get picky when it comes to low quality samples, or wrong notes, but in general, if someone produces something good and solid, which fits in with the project's intended mood, I'll leave it alone. In some instances, in which...I feel that a lead sounds extremely out of place, as was the case with one of chthonic's wips, I 'd ask to replace that with something more fitting. These are merely suggestions, but if something simply refuses to reconcile itself with me, I will be inclined to reject it.
That said, my motivation doesn't have to be the same motivation as that of the mixers. If my reasoning is basically: "screw everyone else, screw the artist, do it my way or go to hell" That doesn't mean that a mixer has to feel that they are my pawn, or doing me a favour. I want them to feel as though they're doing themselves a favour, or a service to the community.
Unfortunately, I have a very strong emotional attachment to this music, and it is my perogative, as the person who is (poorly) running this project, to have people and music that would do justice to the originalk music on it. Sorry if you feel that it should be a free-for-all, but I have to draw the line somewhere. I'm not censoring your freedom of expression by telling you that 'your shitty drum samples make my ears bleed' though that sort of talk is unnecessarily antagonistic, for which I apologise.
Meanwhile, I feel that ignoring expression and emotion in music is lice censoring one's own freedom of expression.
...Anyway.
If I can stop myself, I will not respond to any more of these off-topic posts regarding my motivation or decisions. This project is about enhancement and appreciation, not for posts, which essentially say 'OMG STARKY'S AN ASSHOLE BECAUSE HE DOESN'T WANT PEOPLE TO MAKE HAPPY SONGS ON HIS PROJECT!'
End topic.
So, who wants Tal Tal?
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Either. *shrugs* I just want the remixers to appreciate the songs for what they are. (no, not 'on the spot' but it's not so hard to grow to love a piece of music. If you don't like the material, you're not likely to do a very good job of remixing it.)
I don't want them to tackle the songs as a challenge, but to pay tribute to songs that they think are worthy of tribute.
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is there any particular reason you're being such an ass to hemo aside from some dissenting opinions, or is it just an everyday thing for you?
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ah, ok. from what I've gathered from reading this thread, it's an everyday thing. sorry to have disturbed, keep up the assery.
If honesty and thinking that music should be about the emotions it produces, and not its structure equates being an ass, then ok.
(hah, that sentence has a poor structure, doesn't it?)
The project will continue as planned.
If anyone has issues with the way I plan to continue running this project, then either talk it out with me or leave. I will continue to respond honestly.
If I demand that my remixers have a personal connection with the songs, It doesn't seem to me that I'm asking too much. I just want a good, heartfelt project, not some robotic 'I can mix this, because I can mix anything' attitude.
Good luck to everyone who remains, I anticipate at least one more of these little coups. Sorry for the inconvenience. Try to ignore it, and do your best.
edit: if anyone's wondering where these crazy happenings are going on, it's usually in #laproject, so judge for yourselves.
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you shouldn't have asked me to elaborate on the one thing...and all would be good wouldn't it?
I really don't care that you're gone.
All is, and always was good.
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Double Post/bump!
for the record, Hemophiliac has withdrawn his 'services' from this production, as he feels that he and I will 'clash' too much.
I agree.
He and I hold some very different views about music.
Because I think it will be beneficial to the project members, allow me to elaborate on my particular view.
Music is instinctual.
The only kind of 'real' music is the kind that is made through intuition, instinct, and personal preference. Music theory is a theory of structure, which dismisses the emotional and personal qualities of a song in favour of the structure of that song.
So, when listening to music, it is important to appreciate the song for what it is. A song, not what makes it a song. Musical structure is a coincidence, not an inevitability. Refuse to be told how to write music. Write music how it comes out. Write music like an uncontrollable liquid bowel movement. Music isn't a lego tower, it's a waterfall. Music just is.
Now, go write music. Don't make it.
Yeah, it's 5 in the flippin' morning. Let me wax poetic while I'm still awake.
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they're not in charge.
Though, slow/moody prog rock is basically the only kind of rock that IS acceptable for this.
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Slothboy, you may do what you've asked, but for the sake of the project, I'm asking that rather than do one of the tracks in my tracklisting, you do the following:
As of now, anybody who is accepted to the project, but hasn't got a track, is allowed to go through the .gbs themselves, and select a track that sounds sufficiently different from the tracks I have already selected to do. They can unofficially work on those songs, and post their wips here, and if there is room, and if the product is good enough, I will include it in the project. Please do not do this unless I have okay'd you as an artist for the project. Also, these tracks must be in the same style as I have set out for all other tracks.
Again, please try to pick songs which are different from the other tracks, yet melodic enough to actually base a song on. That said, remixes of the 'piece of power song' are unacceptable, as there is not enough material to produce something worthwhile that can still be considered a remix. y'dig?
If I get enough songs of this type, I may be able to extend the album to two discs, which would be convenient.
Slothboy, you are officially an unofficial member of the project
Good luck.
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I didn't dislike it. I liked it.
You were adverse to changing the things about it that I didn't like so much.
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Rev, go back a page or two. I made a hugetacular post.
Edit: Rev. Bryant,
'Mood' should be more melancholic than dark, but preferably dark, as opposed to say...uplifting and euphoric. The kind of mood I'm looking for is like the kind of feeling that comes from altruism, which is like 'Holy crap, the main character died....but it's for a good cause!' kind of deal. I'm looking for something gloomy. Not so much peaceful as nostalgic, and Not so much dark as melancholy. Y'dig? (end edit.)
Also, yeah, you haven't been bumped out of the project, but I decided that having heard monobrow's pre-existing wip, it was just the sort of thing I was looking for, and I think I'd like her to do it.
Feel free to collaborate on it, by all means. I haven't bumped you out of the project. If you decide not to collab, there is still turtle rock (sort of), the last battle, inside the egg, and key cavern to be had, as well as possible collaborations with any of the other remixers. I suggest you contact them, if you're interested. (the last track isn't going to be looked at until all the other songs have been assigned, and we know everyone's workload.)
We had some issues with turtle rock, which resulted in me making the decision that since monobrow can no longer do Turtle Rock (for some reason) She can do tailcave. Though, normally I would have made the track fair game for anyone, having heard Monobrow's wip, I feel she would produce the remix I want for that song. That is not to say that you (Rev. bryant) would/will not have done a good job, but politics and obligations... *Slaps forehead*
Anyway, that's why Tailcave is weird.
Now, Why is turtle Rock weird?
We had an issue (again) in which Monobrow felt she could no longer continue with that track, and enlisted Usa (without my prior knowledge) to do the track for her. As it turned out, his wip was cool, but I had issues with the sound of his drums, and his use of one of the nastiest rhodes-y bell things I've ever heard (seriously, right out of a phil collins song, or something) Anyway, he was not pleased by my dislike of his sounds, and got in a little tizzy about it. So... Long story less long, I've decided that no one will do turtle Rock unless they show a genuine interest in the song, and are able to show me that they can produce something reasonable. I made my stance on any issues of any kind with the wips a few posts back (read it.)
So, as things stand, Turtle Rock is off limits unless someone can get excited about it, and be willing to produce something that follows my terms. If no one comes forward, I will be doing the track myself, I suppose....which, due to my laziness will slow down the progress of the project like...8 fold (doesn't make sense).
That said, I don't imagine there's a lot I can do with the track, so it is my hope that someone will present me with a reasonable wip (not an audition, a wip.) which would exemplify the qualities I just mentioned like 3 times.
that is all.
Love from starky, but not his pants, starky doesn't love his own pants enough for them to love you.
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ethnic is a buzzword! Overratednession alertedness!
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What bitterness? As you might have noticed already, I'm not down or something now just because you don't want me on the project. There's always VGMix!
There is no such thing as Vgmix, it is a fiction, created by virt to let angry people think they have talent, to the sane population, it's a horror story.
It's OK to give hints what you like and what not, but it's not OK to take away artistic freedom from remixers by telling them what to do and what not in such a nitpicky way. Unless you want them to be remixing slaves, instead of remixers. But then, wouldn't it be best if you took over all of the tracks to ensure they are exactly the way you like them to be? Yes, this is the truth. Face it, man!
It is entirely okay for me to tell you what you can and can't do on this project. It's my project. read the first page.
And talking about flammatory or unfriendly manners, there are more friendly ways to say you don't like a mix to be on the project, for example "Sorry, but this is not exactly the sound I was looking for, I don't think it fits the planned project's mood" or something like that. We could have talked about everything, I might even have changed the sounds you didn't like that much - but the way you talked with/about me didn't make me feel like I was accepted and respected as a human being in the first place. And that is the main reason why I don't feel like participating anymore.
The song was the type of song I was looking for. The sounds you used in the song were not.
It is not in my nature to say something other than what I think, the way I think it.
I didn't talk about you.
You weren't participating, originally.
Furthermore, I hereby declare that should anyone even THINK of making a post in this thread, they must read the first post, and click any links therein.
As the person running the project, it is at my discretion which songs are given to whom, who may be given a song, and what kind of song I want to be given, in which way.
Whether I limit your creative freedom is not at question. I most certainly will limit your creative freedom, for the good of the project, and for the good of my sanity. I stated from the beginning that I view all of the songs on this soundtrack with reverence, and I feel that for my own sake, the songs should be remixed, and remixed how I see fit.
I see no reason in starting a project, and allowing it to have songs I dislike on it. That's ridiculous.
The wips I have from the people already on the project are exemplary of the way I would like this project to sound, and they do a very good job. I haven't had to limit anyone's 'creative freedom' as yet, beyond the original stipulations regarding genre and mood. I imagine this is because I would not allow there to be someone on my project who would not be able to meet the requirements I've laid out.
If you don't like the way I do things, tough, go remix on your own, or join another project with a nicer producer. Or suck it up. I do things my way, and I'm open to change and suggestion, but I have no sympathy for those who refuse to accept my terms.
I'm in charge.
Tough titty.
Now, I will have no more posts in this thread that are in any way argumentative. As of now, this thread is, and should be for the recruitment of remixers, and assignment of tracks. When all the tracks are assigned, and everyone has a wip ready, I will release the wips, and we can all start discussing the wips, but until then, this thread is strictly business.
Starting.....now.
I love you all, but not nearly as I love myself and raspberry pie,
Starky
edit: Shinny,
I'll get to you tomorrow, no worries.
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there are about 3 and a half songs left.
However, Magininja has the prior claim on either 'inside the egg' or 'the last battle'
Rev, sorry. I'm giving tailcave to Monobrow. If you want, try one of the other songs. If you're interested, also try 'mysterious woods' or slime cave, considering Doug doesn't look like he even remembers he's on the project...
Usa, your bitterness saddens and amuses me. refrain from posting again, unless you have something non flammatory to say.
Slothboy, I'll take a look at your song, but I'm getting swamped with remixers, and I'm running low on songs to divide between people. I may simply have to tell people no whether or not they've got the talent I'm looking for or not. Apologies to all.
Also, for the record, If I complain about your sound quality, and you love your sound quality, then we have issues. I will not allow something with sounds I dislike to be on the project, so the ultimate solution is to find something I do like, or shove off. I'd prefer the former, especially if the other parts of the song are good.
anyway, that's all today. I'll try to get confirmations from the aforementioned people who are telling me they're doing a song, and haven't turned anything up for me yet.
Sorry if you don't get included in the project, it's just the way things go. Seventeen tracks is a lot of songs, but eighteen remixers is still one too many.
Edit: Slothboy,
I've just listened to your FFVIII remix...butas cool as it may be...I'm not looking for dance or techno or trance or that kind of thing. I'm looking for mellow slowed down stuff, so...if you have anything like that to show me, that'd be good, cause I don't know from this whether you can actually do what I'm looking for.
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with regards to that 'I just figured you had' comment, a few posts ago... No, I haven't. These forums are shit. read the first post.
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I'm totally doing guile's end, in the gayest way possible.
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Just on an important note:
the point of this thread is to keep everyone up to date on what's going on, etc.
So...if you can't do your song, or you want to do something different, let me know before you throw all your eggs into a new basket.
Also, Like I've said a million times, you can't go saying 'hey, I'll take this song~!' before I've even heard whether your music is worth listening to any more than it's worth listening to a cow fart, skidmarks.
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damnit, how come I don't know about this?
Hemo, that would be nice.
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yeah, try Tailcave out, I guess.
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Are you still taking remixers? Here's some of my recent music if you are.
The Betrayal - RPG Pre-battle music/orchestral
Battle with Judas - RPG battle music/orchestral
The Day the World Crashed (WIP) - Chrono Trigger Remix/ambient/electronica
The Garden (WIP) - Ambient
well, I've only listened to the Ct remix wip as yet, but it sounds pretty good. I'll sign you up.
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I'm both lazy and busy, but I'm working on it...
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Just a reminder to remixers...
Please don't post your WIP in this thread... Send to Aetherius or I through IRC, PM, or AIM...
Aetherius' AIM: DrFrankenPhreak
Escariot's AIM: Escariot45
to clarify further: you may post wips or songs if they are your audition pieces, however, once your song has been confirmed as yours to work on, your wips are to be private until December 10th.
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It seems to me like some people are getting pithy...
*glares around patronizingly*
Anyway, chrktonic (it's faster to keymash your name than to remember the order of the first four letters...), I didn't LIKE 'my turn to dream' but I also didn't hate it. Redundant: I would have been indifferent to it, were it not for my distaste for any remixes at all of Link's Awakening material. (I am sure That I will have to fight back that predisposition all the time during this project...) I figure if the project is under my supervision, there's a better chance that I will feel each song has been done justice.
That said, I can appreciate the arrangement and quality of the work you did with it. Blah blah blah
I guess it seems like I might be antagonizing you specifically, but I'm not trying to antagonize anyone.
Anyway, your fancy wordiness... though it sounds fancy, and wordy, isn't really going to help me understand what you're going to do...
I'm thinking that the best way to remedy that would be to...apply the ideas...and make a wip
Also, for the masses: sarcasm is like...stupid. shut up.
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Well, nekko, at the moment, all I can say is that there isn't really anything going on in that wip.
I mean...basically, it's just the original, but with your own instruments. The samples aren't too great, unfortunately, and the synth is alright. Just, at the moment, it doesn't seem that that's the kind of material that would benefit the project.
By the way, that bell doesn't have the range to play notes that low. The lower notes go off-key.
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how did i miss this thread?
anyways if there's anything i can help with, gimme a holler.
because you don't listen to me when I talk to you, asswad.
Also:
Eon, give me something to hear, and I'll tell you if you can remix for us. If you have time, it'd be cool if you could throw a little art or something our way...
edit: oops, double post.
The joker is on as well...
Just a reminder here: Make sure that you can work within the genre/mood restrictions I've set out. I'm not looking for upbeat stuff, hard-rocking stuff, or hip-hop. Also, I'm not looking for STRAIGHT orchestral, soft-rock, and ambient/electronic. I'd prefer a mixture of (at least two of) the three. However, don't be discouraged. Start a short wip, and if it doesn't fit the mood, I'll see if I can point you in a direction that fits more with my vision for the project.
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*yawns* a much needed grey area.
If anyone hadn't noticed...we have 16 mixers, and 16 tracks. If each of us does one song...we're gold.
speaking of bad hype:
Any more drama from people who have already created drama, will be regarded as sabotage.
How ya like them apples?