xRisingForce
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I love Chick Corea and Return to Forever. Spain is an amazing song; I actually got to play it with our high school jazz band.
I like a lot of Japanese Fusion artists, they're really responsible for turning me onto fusion in the first place. You should take it upon yourself to check out Casiopea (Twilight Solitude, Once In A Blue Moon), and T-Square (Sailing the Ocean, Nab that Chap). I'm not sure if you could cite Tetsuya Shibata as "fusion," but it's definitely jazz and he did the music for Marvel vs. Capcom 2. Such a grooving soundtrack.
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More than Cave Story, this gives me a serious "Link's Awakening" vibe. Absolutely great stuff- it's always a welcome pleasure to find artists who have the capacity to create original compositions on OCRemix, especially good ones.
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One of my best friends swears that the opening to "Fury of the Storm" and "Operation Ground and Pound," both by DragonForce, sound like they came straight out of a Megaman game.
Well that's not so surprising, given that Herman Li cites 90s videogame music as a huge musical influence.
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This wasn't really a win- everyone wrote really original material and it seems like my win was a fluke more than anything else. So, great job to everyone!
On a side note, a lot if not most of these "critiques" just seem like empty suggestions.. i.e "I like this, I like that, but I can't tell you why" etc. Blue.Nocturne's critique was IMO the most helpful, and that really only extended to production. "Anime" or "game" music is such an ignorant Western blanket term for music with Oriental intervals in melody or harmony. I guess the critique isn't even obligatory anyway, so, meh. I was hoping to see more insightful commentary though.
Are there any guidelines or restrictions on how broad or specific my theme can be? Does it have to be something universal?
P.S.: Blue.Nocturne, the style of your melody at 1.02 sounded really familiar from the start- it's right out of the Trigun OST by Tsuneo Imahori! Great stuff.
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Yup. Anyone on any of the listed forums can vote.
Did you get my entry, Abadoss?
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Blue.Nocturne
i friggin' love you man
In a strictly brotherly manner, of course..
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Well, given your analogy, Andy, he could be a judge in a few years.
Guys, let's all chill and just stick to critiquing the mix, not the artist's reaction to the feedback. If he doesn't want to work with your criticism, that's his prerogative. I don't think any amount of browbeating is going to force him to better acknowledge your criticisms, plus it should be up to him whether or not to consider them.
Thanks a lot Liontamer, you're almost always the one trying to restore order in my chaotic threads. Albeit.. they're chaotic because of me, lol.
Sorry Zircon. You had some good points to be made.
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What exactly is it that you want?
Drum criticism, please. I suck at writing drum music, lol.
I'm not a drummer. The drums that I programmed in are probably extremely amateur to experienced drummers like DrumUltimA, so I'd like to get more criticism like his.
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Well, if only you can interpret your music correctly... then what's the point of us listening to it and giving feedback?
First off, forgive me for my harshness but it's stupid to try and interpret this piece when it's not even halfway complete.
Second, WiP isn't about interpreting the expression behind a song. A lot if not most of the stuff on here is already largely if not entirely composed, so WiP is to help with production. I'm lacking in drums, and DrumUltimA has extremely valid points to make (he might not like me calling him this) because his forte is in percussion. And after I fix that up and finish up the song, then we can get around to production.
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except he's not a baroque purist and you're not miles davis
Yeah, hence the use of like. He thinks all interpretation is just as valid as the composer's and that understanding the composer's point of view in regards to the song is rather trivial in appreciating his music.. rofl.
I think it's essential.
This is digressing though.
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So, you're saying that because he said a few negative things about your song in a constructive way, you're going to ignore it? Zircon knows his shit, dude. Even if he wasn't judge, project coordinator, mod, all that, his feedback is still worth every word.
You don't even know the half of it, much less basing ignorant opinions with what you can try to infer from this thread.
Why does it matter who the feedback comes from? I would think that getting feedback from one of the very people who functions as quality control for OCR as a whole (which is no small task, believe me, I've been there myself) would be exactly what you're looking for.
Dude, you need to calm down. I get feedback from judges I don't agree with ALL THE TIME. If you really think it's wrong, just say thanks, ignore it, and move on. The more defensive you get, the more I question your motives for posting in the wip forum in the first place. But feedback should be nothing but appreciated, getting picky with what you want to hear and what you don't is not that different from the homeless people in baltimore who ask for food, but get picky when you give them a bag of chips they don't like.
Eh.. you're right. From the "Context" thread I started, it's pretty clear that Zircon clashes with me to the point where I can't respect his opinions. It's like a baroque purist trying to critique Miles Davis from an entirely classicist standpoint; the criticism isn't really applicable.
So Tweek, it's not so much that is was harsh (it really wasn't, Snappleman's critiqued my guitar playing before while sitting on his silver throne). I couldn't care less about that. I'M not pretentious enough to change a piece and try to argue that my interpretation is just as valid as the composer's.
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Uh, but didn't you post here in the first place looking for feedback? If it's not completely positive and worshipping the musical ground you walk on, where does the desire for feedback leave you room to complain?
Zircon's feedback.
Stop taking sentences out of context
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You're kidding... if the end product is the only thing that matters, you might as well not make any music, since you won't get anything out of the process.
No, that's not what I meant.
Nobody cares whether you put two weeks or two months into a song and had to do intensive research on Jazz chords to write the chorus. The song stands alone.
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So all the remixes that change chord progression and melody are "bastardizing" the original? Even though both Doug and HousetheGrate do both? What are you even doing on this site?
Moon Rhapsody, Light in the Fortress, Clockwork, and Walk on Water largely, if not completely keep the melodies and harmonies of the respective songs intact.
Anyway, by all means, please keep ignoring my advice and get your remix rejected.
I mean, really now..
Do you think I'm writing this piece to submit it to OC ReMix? I'm doing it for myself- and may as well submit it to OC ReMix when I'm done. This is a good place to get criticism regarding videogame music and its production, which is why I'm using the WiP forums. You are really unaware of how little I care about your opinion; judge, moderator, project director or not.
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It's not hard to do.
How difficult a song was to make is irrelevant to the quality of the song itself. The end product is the only thing that matters, the process itself is meaningless.
I'd like to hear you change the melody and chord progression more significantly.
My favorite and among the very few remixes that I actually like on this site that are those of DrumUltima and HousetheGrate.
Personal flair > bastardization
I didn't even notice "all that drum syncopation".
Seeing as how you're heavily inclined towards electronica and indirectly towards new age, I couldn't blame you. Grooving drums really aren't staples of either.
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hey hey hey wtf man i'm spending 40,000 dollars a year to learn to play that shit
Yeah that's kinda/sorta the difference, lol
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ARRANGEMENT / INTERPRETATION
[x] Too conservative - sticks too close to the source
PRODUCTION
[x] Low-quality samples
[x] Unrealistic sequencing
[x] Drums have no energy
STRUCTURE
[x] Pace too plodding
What do you guys think of the composition? Don't comment on the production because it's definitely not at that stage yet.
On a different note, are you being serious? All that drum syncopation when "Lost Woods" comes in has no energy?
PERSONAL COMMENTS (positive feedback, specifics on checklist criticisms, any other thoughts)
Your piano and drums are really mechanical, and the sample quality is not very good. Regardless of what sort of keyboard setup you have, you should be able to edit velocities and timing in a piano roll, but I think the real issue (with the piano anyway) is that the playing is simply choppy. I don't know why you would ever play a passage like that.
can you manually edit the velocities? Often times I'll just either draw the velocity levels in or assign numeric values.
Yeah I can, I actually changed the left hand piano harmony to ~75 while the melody is 90-100. This is all post-composition stage for me. After I finish the song, I trim it up with dynamics, vibrato and bends (of course, for instruments that can), EQ, compression, repan, rebalance, all that jazz. It'd be awesome if you could tell me where the song really needs the velocity levels fixed to sound more organic (the intro maybe?). As of right now though, I'm focusing on the composition.
I can't blame you for missing that one though, it was on the second page.
The drums are fine in terms of their sequencing. The issue is that they simply sound bad. You want a thick, meaty, nearly-unrealistic "thump" kick or even a drum machine. The snare should be more like a rim shot plus a hand clap/snap if you're going for an R&B feel. Listen to some of Joshua Morse's remixes, particularly his recent "Hamadatan" to hear an example of some great R&B-style production. I think the lack of effects again is hurting this.. a bit of overdrive and compression could really help, plus some kind of light room reverb on the snare.
Wouldn't an electric piano be a better choice, anyway? Seems like more of an R&B staple. There's also a distinct lack of any effects, such as reverb/delay, which would be very useful for making this sound less dry.
Thing is, I said "R & Bish." I'm not trying to do R & B, I'm not trying to do Jazz, I'm not a purist, and I'm definitely not trying to stick to a genre or anything of the sort. I'm being myself.
Genres are stereotypes anyway.
I'll try using an electric piano, and see how it sounds. I actually like that loungey-jazz piano sound in junction with an R&Bish groove. The original version DID use a kit that had a clap and a phat bass drum, but I don't like the low energy sound of it all. It just boils down to production anyway..
In terms of the arrangement, aside from some simple flourishes and embellishments, there really isn't a lot of interpretation here, just a sort of layering of a couple different themes. I hope you expand this aspect more.
I mean, I'm not trying to bastardize the melody or chord progression or anything, and correct me if I'm wrong here, but I completely changed the styles of Wind Scene and Lost Woods into something original (definitely not R&B or Jazz), which was basically the genesis of remixing aka arrangement,was it not?
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Haha.. are we posting to satiate Chiwalker's genuine interest or to brag..
For me,
Violin: 5 years then quit
Trombone: 5 years then quit
Piano: 2 years
Guitar: 4 years
Bass: I don't have one so I can't really assign a number here, but I can play one
due to some people's posts I feel like I can get away with saying this
Recorder
Tambourine
Guiro
Maracas
Vibraphone
Xylophone
Harpsichord
Acoustic Guitar (rofl)
Classical Guitar
etc. etc.
If we can feel free to brag, ima take this way back
Dude at the very least MomUltimA freakin owns and takes names
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My advice to you, is if you are going for that R&B feel (and Doug/Drumultima mentioned this somewhat before)... But I think your drumbeat (as you have said) is really boring.
Did you check out version 2? It starts to get really syncopated once "Lost Woods" comes in.
You have a pretty neat bassline going... Beef it up, I am not really sure I like the sample you're using there... But maybe you could try to EQ it and layer it with something else.
Thanks a lot. LOL, I'm using all stock Reason patches.. maybe that's why. The bass is eq'ed already, albeit extremely amateurly done. Any samples (free possibly
) you'd recommend? If you want to see/help, I can send you the Reason file.Anyway, back to that bassline. It's a good trick to, when your hit a note in your bassline that you want to emphasize (say at like :57) A common misconception I had with drums for a while was thinking I had to interchange the hit with the high hats and the kicks... But don't feel afraid to emphasize things within your drum patterns by putting down snare hits, crashes, and kicks on the same beat (usually an offbeat) that your bass is hitting. Lining up your piano/bass/whatever else that can help emphasize the rhythm... All at the same time in a measure can really add a dynamic feel to a song (especially a song of this nature)
Thanks for the great tip. This is something I end up doing a lot subconsciously. Just sorta makes sense regarding drum functions.
0:37, 1:04 - Piano, bass, and drums lock in for the minor 6th chord progression
0:41 - The bass mirrors the piano
0:58, 1:05, 1:19 - Drum crashes to accent the start of the hook of the Lost Woods melody
1:01 - Stop-time drum fill (snare, bass + open hi-hat x2) to accent the syncopated left hand piano rhythm
1:15 - Stop-time drum fill to accent the bass run
1:20 - Bass rhythmically locks in with the bass drum to accent the syncopated/groovy rhythm and shares a similar rhythm to mirror the syncopated/groovy piano line
It's about taking the rhythm you've set up, and really owning it within each measure of the song. R%B really accomplishes this by choosing a beat or two within a measure and utilizing all the resources of the song to carry that rhythm across. Overall the beat going with the snare and the kick is okay, and the bassline works well... But just listen to each measure and think about what you're trying to do with the melody and the bassline within that measure... When you're satisfied, move on.
I feel as if the groove created by what you've just stated is a minimalist approach and definitely a staple of R&B. And I've definitely done that at points in this song (although the bass isn't close to simplicity found in most R&B songs, lol).
Thanks a lot for the critique!
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A DRAMATIC READING OF THE FIRST PARAGRAPH OF THE SECOND POST OF THIS THREAD.
http://www.tindeck.com/audio/my/boxa/A-Dramatic-Reading-of-xrisingforcex
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I'm not gonna lie. This is tight.
Edit: I'm downloading this and putting it on my iPod.
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Yeah, that's a good fill!
Thanks man! You have any cool ideas you think would fit?
Go with that. I think I liked the old kit better though, so I think you should just bite the bullet and use two sets. I hate doing it too but it's worth it.
Yeah, I was trying it for a little. The only sounds I was using were clap, hi-hat, and bass; which of those are better than the sounds now?
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I've fixed the bassline under Cmaj7 and C7 and I've completely revamped the drums.
It sounds a bit more lounge jazz now with an R&B flair (in the bass drum).. not that that's a bad thing.
Drum criticism, please. I suck at writing drum music, lol.
http://www.tindeck.com/audio/my/zase/600-A.D.
Note: RadicalDreamer, sorry if I offended you. Muzak to me is synonymous with the various Wii channel music, not this D: I appreciate your feedback!
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HELL YES, I'll second Golden Boy. You might enjoy some of Kyoto Animation's (the studio behind Melancholy) other animes, like Lucky Star. If you haven't checked out "Grave of the Fireflies," it's another movie by Studio Ghibli (albeit, no Miyazaki involvement) and it's fantastic. Not nearly enough light has been shed on that movie.
"Bastard!". It's short, and I really can't summarize it in a sentence. You should just watch it.
Beck: Mongolian Chop Squad.
Mobile Suit: Zeta Gundam (This one's pretty long though.. so I guess it doesn't meet your criteria).
Summer Night Lights (Original Song)
in Post Your Original Music!
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http://www.tindeck.com/audio/my/qfol/Natsuban-no-Hikari
I suck at production, really.
All criticisms are welcome.