Sonic & Knuckles, Hidden Palace and Lava Reef zone Samples

[gliyw1thdabangs]

==Edit==

I posted a full song down below. This is where I started from. Please comment.

UPDATE MARCH 27TH, 2007(¿!?) :

http://khoriko.googlepages.com/Sonic...e_Ocean_Fl.mp3

If you want to see some of the arrangement on paper:

http://khoriko.googlepages.com/Keyes...Floorfile1.GIF

http://khoriko.googlepages.com/Keyes...Floorfile2.GIF

http://khoriko.googlepages.com/Keyes...Floorfile3.GIF

==Edit==

NOTE: All of these samples are written using Finale! Songwriter so the sound samples are pretty crappy, but on the arrangement and layering side, I was wondering if any of these are up to par or are leading in the direction of a remix.

Please, I'll appreciate ANY input you can give me.

First try

http://khoriko.googlepages.com/DEMOHPfullpart1.mp3

http://khoriko.googlepages.com/DEMOHPfullpart2.mp3

http://khoriko.googlepages.com/DEMOHPfullpart3.mp3

http://khoriko.googlepages.com/DEMOSpellvoOrchestrallpart1of1.mp3

http://khoriko.googlepages.com/PrecursoFlutereviseddemo2.mp3

http://khoriko.googlepages.com/1stsamplehiddenpalace.wav

Source Material

Midi Rip

http://khoriko.googlepages.com/Lavareefpianomanuscriptmelody.mp3

Melody Rip

http://khoriko.googlepages.com/LavareefmelodystraightkeysNOALTERATI.mp3

Piano Midi rip alteration

http://khoriko.googlepages.com/Lavareefpianoalteredmanuscriptmelody.mp3

Thank you for your help.

[Dr. Rod]

Your arrangement ideas seem like with some good samples and better dynamics, they could become a really fluid arrangement, but its hard to judge based on the quality of your samples right now. I would suggest that you repost this when you have some high quality sounds, that way Im sure you'll get a much more helpful critique. Is this your first remix?

[gliyw1thdabangs]

Yeah I'm trying to learn how to use fruity loops but I can't turn over these samples into better quality until I figure out exactly what I'm doing production wise. Would you suggest Reason or cakewalk over fl studio?

I'll post a smaller list of files so that it is easier to listen.

Yeah this is my first remix. All of my samples are produced using the sheet music program finale Songwriter. So production wise, of course it is going to be pretty hard on the ears. But I guess I'm trying to arrange the song first and then turnover all the prescribed sounds from songwriter and make them sound more clean in one of the production programs.

[Dr. Rod]

I think Reason definitely has better quality, especially as far as the synthesizers go. FL is easier for most beginners though; I had to "graduate" from using FL to start really understanding Reason. Ive never used Cakewalk, so I cant comment on that, but IMO Reason has a lot more to offer than FL in most aspects.

I will say that your arrangement is creative, which is pretty good for a first remix.....I can picture it having a very epic sound with some good orchestral samples.....Id love to see where this song goes : )

Also Im LightningRT on AIM....if u have any questions about Reason or remixing in general, feel free to hit me up : )

[gliyw1thdabangs]

yay!

Update(¿!?) :

http://khoriko.googlepages.com/Sonic__Knuckle_Keyes_on_the_Ocean_Fl.mp3

If you want to see some of the arrangement on paper:

http://khoriko.googlepages.com/KeyesontheOceanFloorfile1.GIF

http://khoriko.googlepages.com/KeyesontheOceanFloorfile2.GIF

http://khoriko.googlepages.com/KeyesontheOceanFloorfile3.GIF

[gliyw1thdabangs]

I apologize ahead of time for the low volume (I have to use Audacity to record right now from Finale), horrible organ synth, and 5:00-6:00, I couldn’t edit it because my computer ran out of juice. I just had too many ideas and got lost in the notation so I missed how much I was repeating the same motif.

I started working on some of the first couple of minutes again where the orchestra is supposed to kind of take a backseat and shut up, but I hadn't worked out the notes on the piano to switch from the hidden palace riff to my own interpretation based on the chord structure. I'll probably do that in a couple of hours so until then the first two minutes will be a little rocky, but from then on it seems to go alright (minus the reptition). Anyways, ENOUGH TYPING! Please listen! If you're a lava reef lover, I think you'll take this for a spin, just be light on my production. Thanks!

NOTE: I want to edit some more but I’m limited to computer recordings on audacity because I’m still getting together my handles on FL studio and I’m using demo version of Finale SongWriter that doesn’t let me save. Haha, oh the quality of laziness of condition.

Here’s my self evaluation. Perhaps if you could tell me if you agree? Some of the time are off give or take about 10-20 seconds because I cut out some stuff and added in a couple of previously recorded samples.

1:00-1:40 is a bit rough, I had two sheet notations in finale and ran out of space. I couldn’t record the whole thing so I had to paste and there’s overreptition for 10 seconds more than I am comfortable with hearing.

Some of the arrangement is unrealistic, mostly because the arrangement is pretty much recorded through cheap piano sounds so in FL studio or Reason I would have changed the supporting synths, but I hope that you can still hear the supporting sounds of ‘double piano.’

3.37-3.45 I was just speeding up and having fun with triplets so ignore that, I’ll probably edit it out later and save an original track for myself.

Around 4:20-ish-4:30-ish there’s another finale sound cut. I really gotta buy an upgrade.

Weak transition at 4:36

Same at around 5:00ish

I guess since the end was kind of drawn out it sorta works, but the last bit of variation from 5:57-6:32 was supposed to be integrated somewhere else.

Was hoping to integrate a more dramatic ending and bring in the orchestra a bit earlier and end with some altered motif, but I ran out of space and computer resources as usual.

Organ lags a lot… I love finale for arranging shit but I gotta learn how to use FL quicker.

Favorite part is the first transition at 1.40.ish

Overall:

On the whole I’m still missing a really outstanding main melody. It drags on in places and is a little repetitive. As before, sounds are basic because of the program I’m using. Oh and yeah, it’s past the 6 mb limit, but I don’t plan on submitting until I put on some more work on this. I’ll probably do a lot more editing (that means cutting out all the extraneous repetition!).

I’m still going to do more editing in audacity to mess with the recordings I already have. Maybe I’ll try to do some more work on this in a few. Thanks for the replies in advance.

oh yeah, by the way, if I end up being any good at production side, I'll change my name to Grandfather keyes. haha or maybe something like pearly white keyes. For now I'll just stick with my IM sn. lol.