i know what you mean about that game, the first time i played it i couldn't turn the game off. i know a couple of the Ultima games were pretty good, im just trying to remember which ones they were :/, but there was about a thousand of them. also ultima online, was that the first MMO or was everquest? and for pc a game called Knights of the Realm or warriors of the realm. it was pretty good, kinda like civ 3 before civ 3.