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uh oh I just found my topic Y'ALL ON MY TURF YA HEAR
SAMPLING IS GOD
so,
For me, it's a question of "why did you sample it?"that is the most important question.
why sample?
it's a lot about recontextualization. (like what DaMonz was saying)
take an old 20s swing song, chop, loop, layer, and suddenly you have
do all the
, end up with a kick-ass bigbeat tunebut there's also another point: sounds are very particular and very familiar. You could listen to a million covers of the same song, but none of them will sound exactly like the original.
it's simply not replicatable.
however, what is replicatable: as soon as you hear that song, whatever it is, for the first time in years (even decades), you get a sudden chill down your spine. you're thrown back into another era, if just for 3 minutes.
SOUNDS are nostalgic. chords and melodies are nostalgic too, but not nearly as much as the EXACT SOUND, dirt dust defects reencodes and all.
if you want to harness that feeling, then sampling is the way to go. It's not the only way, but good luck trying to recreate that feeling without sampling.
(if you haven't guessed by now, I sample. a lot.)
last year I submitted a remix comprised heavily of samples.
http://ocremix.org/remix/OCR02559/
emphasis on heavily.
listen to it, and see what you can spot.
this isn't a complete list, but if you're a 20-something who's never played Earthbound and are wondering why you felt nostalgic listening to that track, here's some of the stuff I sampled: the bass synth from Danny Phantom's intro, chords and vocals from Jonny Bravo's intro, a chord from the intro to Angry Beavers, Bill Nye the Science guy talking, a drum loop from Doug, The Beatle's Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds, and several jingles and logotypes I don't remember off the top of my head...
THE SONG WOULD BE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WITHOUT THESE SAMPLES
this brings me to...
is a perfect example what is NOT okay. The whole song is more or less identical toNo new or original content is being used with the samples in Robot Rock. It's a rehash.in the case of Daft Punk, they tend to lean more towards "invoke nostalgia" than "recontextualize".
also,
lol, I was joking with Black Panther that basically the only sampling that I can't stand or even defend is stuff like this:um x cuse me the entire genre of chicago footwork would like to have a word with you
I actually don't have much to say here (mostly because it's past 1 am and I've gotten tired now) but that song in particular isn't so great, so here have a good song instead:
(technically this is chicago footwork and the previous song is baltimore house, but they're all fairly closely related. check out booty house too,
)so...
do I think there's a limit?
...yes.
that would probably be in vaporwave.
for those not familiar, here's how you make vaporwave:
take a few bars from an 80s song, pitch down, (if needed) stretch so the bpm is well under 100, add reverb, loop.
that's it.
now the results are pretty neat, don't get me wrong. but I think it's a little weird to claim the result as your own.
there's also many many genres in
, where your track is only as good as your kick.it's basically a capital offense to sample someone else's kick in your track
but in my book, as long as you use your kick in a completely different context, you're fine.
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o k I went ahead and submitted it
final version: http://sci.bronyradio.com/music/sci%20-%20green%20marble's%20ionizing%20l(U)minosity.mp3
see you next year, RIP me
(I made the tape outro a lot cooler tho. messing with this broken tape recorder is fun!!)
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those sounds jumping widely from side to side are bothering me
I'm going to pull out my artistic licences and registration and ask you to sign here to verify that you have witnessed and understood the following statement:
That panning is hella rad and making it more subtle would totally detract from the tune.
especially that section at 1:04 like cmon
I think you're pushing the low end a bit too much when the crunchy, distorted beat comes in though.now when you say it like that it seems obvious
fun fact that's actually a gabber kick run through a soundgoodizer.
I'll dick around with the EQ til I'm seeing less red.
thank you!the other things you two said -
WIP / very near finished / I have no idea what else to do here
first, source material used:
level 1
level 2
0:00 level 1
0:45 level 2
1:37 level 1
2:14 level 2
pretty simple, though I arranged things a bit...
the remix: http://sci.bronyradio.com/stuff/narble%20nadmess%20v3.wav.mp3
it's the first time I've done a remix in what I would call my own style.
for some reason this makes me even less confident about the final product (even though I quite like it)
I think I should extend the arps a bit before the tape-distortion outro kicks in at 2:24, but other than that I think I'm pretty much done.
I want your thoughts. what do you think?
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I was actually pretty surprised to find this posted on the front page.it's been a long, long time since I've heard this.
for perspective, I started making music in late 2005, inspired by Mazedude no less. a few months later, I found this song on his site, though I didn't add it to any of my circulating playlists.
7 years later, I find this song again. it's practically a completely new song now. I can actually hear subtleties now that were completely outside of my comprehension when I first listened.
7 years. I had barely any knowledge of music, much less the process of making music. now I listen to an album a day, and I don't go...I can't go a week without making at least one song.
I have two OCRemix posts to my name, and I've been contemplating finishing and submitting a third song.
heh, I kinda feel bad that I can't even listen to the song for what it is. I can only hear the sound of time. A tangible artifact to show how much I've grown in otherwise intangible ways.
I think I'll embrace this as a reason to finish and submit my third remix.
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I make these breakdowns of song usage mostly for the judges, so it's kind of odd to see that in the writeup. o_0
but hey ok
for anyone listening: I tried to carefully craft the song to sound nostalgic (as mentioned in the writeup!), and ideally you'll still get that vibe even if you haven't played earthbound.
I'd love to know if it worked for you, so do share!
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oh whoops I forgot to post this here:
http://soundcloud.com/scibot9000/today-tastes-like-strawberries
I get a free double-post for my birthday right?
hbd capalangley and vilecat (and me) </late late late late>
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thx yall
I'm slowly gathering the materials for my annual "song I made on my birthday" song. I'll toss it up here once I get something listenable.
here's last year's song which went fairly unnoticed in the thread iirc:
http://soundsfromsci.bandcamp.com/track/autumn-ground
Also happy bday to those 2 n00bs, I guess.oh ok
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the Vengence Essential Clubsound sample packs have a bunch of sounds like these
but most hardcore/gabber producers will tell you to just make your own
it's pretty fun, really: just start with a basic 808 kick, run it through distortion, then EQ/filters, then more distortion, and repeat until you have a cool sound.
(I use tridirt for distortion, so that's what some of these terms are from)
in particular: the second of your sound examples is actually straight from the Vengence sample pack, but could be (approx) recreated with something like: crackler --> highpass filter with lots of rez --> saturation
the first sound would have a chain of like: bit crusher --> compressor --> Sinus distortion --> highpass filter --> a very wet phaser with high feedback and no LFO --> a split distortion between crackler (for the low-to mid frequencies) and puncher for the high --> EQ for bass boost
...which is the effect stack for the one bassdrum (well, two including the simple one between 1:30 and 1:40) that I used for the entirety of this song :
lots of parameters to control = lots of sound possibilities!
it's magical!
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oh gosh, I was mentally debating whether or not to post that here, since it is game related. I eventually decided "nah I don't want to spam the place up, I barely post anything anyway", haha.
and then Shnabubula (big inspiration with this album, second only to maxo) comes out and posts this. that surprised me!
but yeah, this is my album. I wanted to hear some EDM/IDM/breakcore/whatever songs in Super Mario Kart style (BEST BRASS SAMPLE EVER)...so here we are.
not sure what else to mention!
hope you dig it!
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What does bother me is the level of noise in the track. [...] it sounds like some kind of electric hum.
heh, that's because it specifically is a selection of electric hums / feedback / noises.
The off-tune instrument for the Pollyanna melody doesn't make things better.Yeah that's more of BoC influence.
I was specifically trying to get an aged, noisy, kind of broken but still recognizable sound.
of the things you mentioned, shoddy transitions is my biggest concern.
I'm particularly happy with the drum + pause at 1:40 and 1:46, but I can see a few other spots being breaking points (so to speak) (looking specifically at 1:47, and the entire bar at 1:31).
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ok I am now quite satisfied with this.
Totally ready to call it finished.
I'm going to set this to mod-review due to the above, and also lack of replies.
FINAL VERSION (except the title. I'll figure that out eventually)
tindeck: http://tindeck.com/listen/yfbd
direct link: http://sci.bronyradio.com/stuff/home%20board%20remix%20v5.wav.mp3
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objection: the bitcrushed bell things in the intro are super rad and you should keep them.
however, there's another synth in there that sounds really dissonant/off-key as it slowly rises.
either toss that or make it increase pitch smoothly (instead of in steps) (if this makes any sense)
</2 cents>
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This is mostly complete.
I'm quite happy with everything so far and all that's really left (I think) is adding a few layers of sound here and there, but I'd like some feedback.
first posted version, for comparison:
tindeck http://tindeck.com/listen/nupc
direct link http://sci.bronyradio.com/stuff/home%20board%20remix%20v4.wav.mp3
about the song / what I was trying to do: I've been inspired by Boards of Canada as of recent.
for this remix, I wanted to invoke a familiar feeling within anyone who listened. My plan to get this feeling was to sample various old cartoons/shows/movies. Hopefully they don't stick out when you listen.
(if you can think of a few lines about family/home from some show/movie that would work better for the ending, that'd be cool too)
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songs used:
Coffee Break
0:26 to 1:16 coffee melody
Ness's House
divided into three sections:
0:00 to 0:11 main reason I remixed this song
0:11 to 0:43 pollyana cover
0:43 to 0:58 close chords
breakdown of my own song:
0:00 to 0:48 main
0:48 to 1:36 coffee melody
1:36 to 1:47 ...
1:47 to 2:10 close chords
2:10 to 2:37 main
2:37 to 3:00 pollyana cover
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ah. thanks for the birthday wishes. (even though I've been neglecting these forums pretty badly)
hey let's toss a link to this year's "song I made on my birthday" song!
http://soundcloud.com/sci_/autumn-ground
(maybe you can consider it a gift for Capa Langley and Vilecat?)
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hey guise am I late?
when I first took a listen, I noticed two things:
1. my song sounds a lot better in context
2. I was pretty sure there was a missing gap of frequencies.
The latter feeling went away eventually, though I'm still pretty sure some of the higher frequencies have been reduced.
my chips don't sound as harsh. D:
still, this release is a fun one.
I'm one of the guys who's never actually played the game.
but these remixes are great.
a few favorites:
Hylian Lemon - March of the Missiles
Dj Mokram - Jelly Bean
Flexstyle - Trouble Brewin'
DusK, Dj Mokram - Zenpyo!
...and then some.
good stuff.
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all of the good suggestions I was about to say have already been mentioned, so I'll just echo them again from my own experience:
1.
, get the person you remixed to link you.2.
3.
, for some weird reason I don't fully understand. (also the popular video reply thing) -
maybe some tastefully applied reverb
(j/k j/k)
ok I'm ready to submit completely.
(version 8.)
I went in to apply reverb in the drums and started playing with the drum patterns. The song only got better. Who would have guessed?
I'm going to write a submission email once I can string together some sentences coherently and parse submission instructions, i.e. when it's not 1:30am. Edit: Submitted! (where's my scratch-through tag?)
Thank you guys for the feedback.
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hey, anybody remember OHC120? "Take flight?"
Yeah, one hour was not enough for me to jot down my ideas. This is more like what I should have submitted:
http://toastbeard.comli.com/st/ziq/whatisTAKEFLITE%20v3.wav.mp3
I really needed that theme. Rough semester, this one.
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Sorry but I'm lost, I don't know where's the remix to listen
Woah sorry for the 3 month late reply. Listen to the remix via the fancy picture below. If that doesn't work, then I also have a direct link to the mp3 (v7).
So, 2011.
Life.
Yep.
I changed a few things:
Also, every other link I posted expired, so here are all the versions in a nice folder, if you'd like to compare:
http://toastbeard.comli.com/night/
I'm keeping this thread labled as mod review.
With the possible exception of that one hihat, I think this is good to go.
I've since checked out these guys, and I discovered: they are awesome. I don't see the resemblance.It reminds me of Boards of Canada.
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hello, second page of forum. (sorry for the disappearance.)
that hihat is the most perfect thing I could find. lofi, yes...but I think it works.
when the beat loses it's momentum at 1:14 and 1:22...that was kind of intentional, unless I'm misunderstanding something. The idea was to "take a breath" in the song, for lack of a better description.
Listening again after a month, I think it would help if I removed the forward-drums.
edit: tried that. I really hear what you mean now.
the more forceful part at 2:26: more energy/support? how so?
or rather, isn't that part a bit too crowded already?
textures: ...ok. yeah, this track really needs some more variation.
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side question: do I change the thread status thing back to WIP while I'm changing the stuff you mentioned?
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I've tried and failed so many times to remix this tune. Each time I tried, it just didn't match up to the original. I can't figure out what I like so much about the original...
this one...also doesn't match up with the original --it changed that mysterious vibe thing I liked in the original.
However, I must embrace the changes here: This is AWESOME.
thank you for remixing this theme. so much.
/ramble
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I tried making a dubstep synth and got some
, but different, results.here's my method:
1. start with a basic saw waveform
2. duplicate and detune it several times (ie 8 oscilators, each slightly more detuned than the last)
3. filter sweep like crazy (make sure you have a decent amount of rez applied as well)
4. add distortion
there is probably a better way.
This would probably help get a beefier sound.an FM synth -
variate1:25
ok. I didn't add anything but I changed some instrumentation.
I think it works.
(version 5)
I'm setting this to mod review now, too. Thanks for the comments so far.
Music Sampling - Yay or Nay?
in General Discussion
Posted
personally I prefer the results and methods Thomas Bangalter was using
which kind of conjures this point:
DAMN STRAIGHT haha sorry if I came off as fuming or something, I am very passionate about this subject!ah yes, the stupid statement dance remix.
I think that's an umbrella term more than a genre as a whole, but I see what you mean.
what you said here mirrors what I have to say on the topic:
generally, 90% of everything in every genre is bad. (this goes for every form of art ever, not just genres of music)
however, 99% of stupid statement dance mixes are bad, in my experience.
I'm pretty sure that if you decide to sample a song, you're appreciating the song.kind of like how if you're telling your friend about the last movie you saw, you're probably thinking about the last movie you saw.
i don't have much to say here but: hahaha this reminds me a lot of the aesthetic of seapunk (it's not as much of a sample-heavy genre but...you'll probably see what I mean.)