gwilendiel
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I used to do this a LOT when I was into dub and slicing/cutting... in my tracker days.
It's really fun and useful. And I wouldn't just dig up records but like recordings of shows and stuff. Like in one song I had samples from the Flintstones 'chipmunked' and a reversed sound of some sort of cars going by on a race track. Have also used things like the sound of glass breaking or camera mechanisms operating for percussion.
Wish I still had all my stuff I used... that was loads of fun, years ago sadly.
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Unfortunately deleting your posts just makes it look like you were trying to save face.
What it looks like and what it is are two different things, and I was willing to take the risk since the discussion seems unpopular to begin with.
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jesus christ you're a real piece of work
Please don't respond if you expect me to shut up....
Just saying. If I'm already not being rational I'm surely not going to be quiet if you give me more ammunition.
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The thread's aimed for people to speak up when someone steals their stuff so that we can do something about it... I'm not sure that's such a bad thing. Just saying
I went back and did some cleanup.
If thread integrity is the issue, I'd hope others don't mind doing the same.
Thank you!
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Oh, I didn't learn from scratch. I had an implant. Kind of expensive, and I had to travel to the future and back to get it, but it was worth it. Only thing is, I can't remember anything that happened before 2003...
Wish I could have done that. O.O
For me it was picking up a music book on my dad's piano when I was about 8, and looking through his cheat card for reading music for piano and thinking '2+2=4'... I then taught myself to play Für Elise over the course of a couple months (hey, I was 8 and teaching myself heh)
Now I'm 30..ish. And haven't stopped since.
Anyway... just felt like making an anecdote there.
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Just kidding. Well, I mean, you can express yourself, just not like, pushy or anything.
I appreciate the humor and sentiment, but I think it best I err on the side of caution from now on.
And I'm surprised I'm not banned anyway.
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Worry not my friend, my comments were directed at you, nay not even all the peoples of this forum. Just a general observation!
But truly, your unbridled opinion is absolutely valuable. My ears can only hear things the way they hear things. Certainly the same could be said about your ears, another one's ears, and so on. Also, as you know, a certain 'desensitization' occurs when you've worked on one piece of music for a long time; this of course lending itself to errors in judgment, execution, and composition.
This song is, after all, for the world. Of course, I must enjoy it too, the song being a product of myself and a composition I have enjoyed for many years. What I mean is, if something doesn't sound good, and a listener has pointed that out, in the spirit of providing the best piece I can for the listenership I must do my best to heed these remarks; and I would hope the same attitude would be adhered to by all.
So with that said, indeed I agree we must be careful to not insult a person for their efforts, but we should not let our assumptions get in the way of a full assessment; as time permits of course.
Good points!
When I can get around to it I'll give it another listen if you want. Right now my ears are tired too, as you rightly explained above.... so some times it's hard to want to be accurate when my own ears are already practically bleeding from working on my own stuff like they were when I wrote that haha.
but anyway
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Although I am the nice guy around here, keep the brash behind the screen.
Will do!
[too short]
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I thought this thread had ended on an unusually friendly note. It was starting to weird me out.
Haha... well normally I am friendly...
I'm hardcore about what I believe in... so that may make me abrasive, and stubborn to admit when I'm wrong... But I also care about people a lot too and when I do spiteful things I feel bad about it.
I'd definitely fight for my friends or something I believe in but I just need my zeal to be pointed in the right direction to err... avoid collateral damage I guess..
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i dont know. maybe if what you said was at all relevant to the topic at hand my opinion might have changed, otherwise you're still, at least for this topic, grossly misinformed at best.
Oh well. It wasn't true anyway... (the trolling part)
I doubt I could be that cunning... >.<
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they have pictures on the internet now. how quaint.
And and also it has trolls who know how to hook somebody and make them stick up for the troll and cause a completely unrelated fight and thread derail.
How ya like me now, smartass?
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also, i called for thread lock long ago. SO I WIN! neener
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This thread is WONDERFUL.
That made me laugh... thanks! I needed it!
and so did:
I loathe females, that would be more reason for me to NOT take their side. -
Heh I was just reading back and seeing posts I missed...
I totally can see why I looked so bad now... >.<
I wasn't ignoring people, I just honestly didn't see some posts. I can be an incredibly fast reader when I'm passionate about something and I'm really not used to using forums very often where the content keeps changing all the time.
Anyway... sorry to post again, just felt the need to say that...
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True. However, sometimes it isn't even the estate or family making money off the music, and it doesn't seem fair. The problem is, if you don't let anyone make money off of an artist's music when they're dead, that limits the potential rights of the artist themselves when they're alive. I have the right to license my own songs and recordings; but if I don't want to mess with that, I also have the right to sell those rights to someone else for a quick buck, and let them try their luck at publicizing and distributing my stuff, and it isn't necessarily fair to them if I die tomorrow and those rights vaporize.
This is where a lot of the problem with fighting the 'big evil companies' lies - you can't pick and choose whose rights you protect. Either music is copyrightable, ownable, and licensable, or it isn't. Much of the problem lies with artist education - you have to know enough not to sign a deal that will rip you off in the long run, and that requires a lot of research as well as a certain amount of caution and common sense.
Good points, and worth mentioning...
And honestly you have taught me something.
Though also it's funny - it's like people assumed they were the only musicians here EXCEPT for me... I've wondered about these things myself since I've considered SELLING music. Imagine that!
Anyway.
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Dark and José, you are right...
I think the real REAL problem is I believe I am clear when I'm about as transparent as mud.... then I wonder why ppl are yelling at me for saying things I never really wanted to say in the first place... then I get combative but it's my own fault. >.<
Anyway... I think this should be locked.. and I apologize again... seriously.
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Best business practice if you have a market that'll shell out top dollar for mass produced trash.
Atari thought that too. In fact I think I recall somebody from Atari in the old days saying 'if you throw enough crap at a wall, some is bound to stick'
Well... just see what happened to Atari
So yeah. It works as a business practice. In some cases it would be arguably the best I suppose, but it's still a gamble and many developers and publishers have been burned by that gamble, especially when a competitor comes along and takes the gloves off, so to speak.
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Well, I'd say most of the people on this board love music too. And honestly, I'm likely to buy music no matter who/where it came from if it speaks to me. If I hear a song on the radio tomorrow by Britney Spears and it embodies everything that I look for in music, then I'm probably going to buy it. If I didn't SOLELY for the reason that I felt that she didn't deserve my money, that's pretty reprehensible, wouldn't you say? And it would make me dishonest.
If I had to guess at this point, I'd say that you're just trying to make a pull for under-appreciated music/musicians. And regardless of what side of this issue we're on, I'm sure we can all respect that.
It's only in fairness that people have a right to create music for any purpose they see fit, whether it's a service to someone or just for the sake of expression itself. But the terms of it's creation shouldn't affect the value we give it once we've heard it. I agree that good music from small/poor/unlikely places should be supported so that they can make more of it. If some grass-roots kid makes awesome music on the internet but can't afford to pay his rent, then I hope that he does get support so that he CAN keep making music. If he happens to get recognition and sign a record label, and then starts touring and making 6+ digit figures, does that mean he's money-farming? No. He still deserves his success whether he's reached 10 listeners or 10 million.
The core message here shouldn't be "support the artists who deserve it", but "support the artists you love. PERIOD." Whether or not they're making millions of dollars should have no impact on your perception of their music.
TL:DR? Read Salluz's post
Yeah... you're right... I get upset too much.
I'm thinking more about principal than practice... hate to say it but maybe it's because I'm an excitable female... I dunno
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Can you give a specific example of what you're talking about? At what point of success does a musician start "money farming" their clients/customers/listeners?
I mean, if you're talking about say, Kanye West, yeah he's a douche and thinks he's God's gift to all listeners everywhere and that he knows what's best for everybody.
Otherwise, what are you referring to specifically here?
I am asking in total sincerity here, because you make it sound like if somebody doesn't have much money, then they should have special access to music that others are paying for.
Let me put it this way. I love music. Music is my life pretty much... and I am literally in tears right now...
I simply think it should be more than only a product. I have no problem with an honest musician making honest money... I never did... but it actually hurts me to see record labels that rob artists, or CERTAIN artists who have no interest in the people they are sold to... and especially those who don't even like their own fans or expect to be worshiped or pampered excessively...
Even some MUSICIANS dislike this crap. Not every musician... but there are plenty of songs about selling out. Some of them by star artists, like Blues Traveller. I think they are good because at least they are somewhat honest! Yeah, they make a living.... and I have bought their music because I feel they try to be honest along with making money... there's nothing wrong with that.
And the way things are is what makes all this possible.. they get away with this because there is nothing really stopping them....
Anyway...
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reading this thread, you clearly have been a big proponent of the "creator has less rights over the property" idea and to deny it now is utter bullshit
you're still equating music with a variety of things. snake oil, food, cars, etc. and those are all bullshit analogies
no one here is disrespecting the consumer. no one is acting like gods gift to anything. shit, the album i'm working on now has already been announced to be free, so my desire to make money off of my own shit is almost nil. that said, no one has any right, not even the consumer, to dictate that the manhours that i put into creating my shit is only worth "x" and for only "x" number of years
they have the right to not buy it and that's their only right in disagreeing with me.
It should be obvious that if it doesn't apply to you then it isn't about you. Thats what the word 'who' is for.
Learn to read instead of hanging on to what you already thought I say before I say it.
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the question here is not "is your work worth me paying for" it's "does your right as a consumer supercede my right as the creator"
No it doesn't supercede the right of the creator. The creator can take whatever he wants and the consumer can choose to accept it or not.
But without the consumer there is no creator. Music fans are not a goddamn money farm.
I'm sick of musicians who think they are god's gift to the earth and disrespect the people who PUT FOOD ON THEIR TABLES. You can't eat music, that's for sure.
And I'm sick of people who want to dive into the music industry to make millions and treat consumers like cattle.
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I don't know how to reply to something like that... If you don't think its worth money then don't fucking buy it... its that easy. If you want something enough to make a thread like this, but don't feel you should pay a DOLLAR to the person who created it, i don't know what to say. It really is like saying someone should give you a bmw because you feel you deserve it. It doesnt matter that they had to put a bunch of their own time and money into making it, they should just hand it to you on a silver platter. I realize thats a SLIGHT over-exaggeration, but it really is only a SLIGHT over-exaggeration.
But honestly, if you don't feel people like miley cyrus and the jonas brothers and Metallica deserve money for what they do, then don't buy their shit. Nobody is forcing you to. Nobody is forcing you to go to their shows, buy their songs, buy their merchandise, spread the word for them... So why should you have a say in what YOU think somebody's work is worth if you are out of that financial loop.
Telling somebody they are selfish when they expect you to pay for something they give you is completely irrational. There's no other word for it.
I never said that. You said it, other people said it BUT NOT FUCKING ONCE DID I SAY IT! EVER!
And I don't buy their shit! And I don't steal it either! So what's your problem that I have an ideal?? ARE YOU AFRAID I COULD BE RIGHT IN SOME WAY??
Or do you just not like the fact that I have a backbone and am not afraid to take a view that may be wildly unpopular and STICK TO IT?
You have no fucking clue what I know or what I do. Or who I have talked to, or what I have talked to them about.
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Do you want to derive enjoyment from MY time and effort?
No. No I do not. You (and most people) are not that special to me.
If I did however, and I needed to pay you, I would pay YOU. Not Bob or Fred or Corporation X.
If I was particularly interested, I'd likely pay more than the going rate. That's if I want it.
And I know what you meant, just saying.
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But wanting something for nothing in return is the very EPITOME of "entitlement".
I said musicians should be compensated. Like in my second post I think.
So don't try to make it look like I want something for free, or that I'm "admitting I'm wrong" either because I said it damn early.
How do you know what listening hardware to aim for
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And how do you calibrate your own?
I've been wondering this lately. I know you can only do so much, and if somebody has messed up EQ preferences on their system then they won't hear things the same way but...
What should you shoot for when calibrating your own system for production, so you know what the average listener will hear? I'm having this issue lately, like stuff sounds good on my headphones or speakers but may sound bad on somebody elses.
I'm at my dads at the moment and he's got these studio headphones, but his EQ is kind of jacked up... I tried one of my songs and was like "holy smokes that's bad!" But then I tried other songs from other people and they too were bad... except a couple songs still sound good (but I can still tell the EQ is out of whack)
So.. anyway