gwilendiel

They were things that were at one point innovated, and they are good examples. Why don't people get this fact? Even if it isn't radical now, it was at the time it was pioneered! And even if it is copied, it was still at one time envisioned! The discovery of electricity was a radical innovation. Are you going to say it isn't innovative because it wasn't done yesterday? Or because its modern implementation is not done by the original inventor?

Oh really. What's pretentious? Lots of things are pretentious. Aerosmith is pretentious. Just because importance is placed on something, that doesn't mean it's showing off for the sake of showing off. Death metal uses heavy distortion and double kick drums, and some times screaming or growling. Is that not pretentious? Is that not saying to death metal fans "look at me! I'm Death Metal! I ostentatiously have screaming vocals and this brutal guitar riff! SEE? DEATH METAL!" That's pretentious.

It's not so much that we are thinking too deeply, we just aren't agreeing on the definition. Some things I consider to be standard evolution, and to be somewhat expected. Just because something hasn't been done exactly before doesn't mean its really innovative. In other words, emergent things are innovative, but I'm looking for more abrupt and radical things. While that may be subjective, what is abrupt and radical in itself is not. I like whats in that link by the way.

Nice! It's hard for me to find stuff like this. Not many people around me are into this sort of thing... and even online too. And Blood Brothers vaguely reminds me of HORSE the Band. I like it.

I might have been too unspecific with my wording. While that is great stuff there, and innovation at some point, as I said, I'm thinking more about the element rather than who did it or when. For example, using square wave kicks in gabber/hardcore. Or really 'absurd' syncopation, strange meters or mixing more than one meter (like using triplets in 4/4 time without rests). Things that convey an atmosphere or make a point which can't be done as easily if you follow basic 'music school' rules. I don't really count things like using electric instruments in orchestra. Yes made cool music with minimoogs, but it isn't as far removed as I'm thinking about.

Mind you, innovation can be innovation for the time as well. I'd just like to point that out. Mozart was innovative, and he is long dead. Get my drift? Edit: and furthermore, innovation is what it is, I'm more interested in styles that truly bucked the system at some point. Things that make people say 'that isn't music!' I'm just looking for the elements, they could be modern emulation, or in a work that is not by the original pioneer of that element. So long as it was at some point something that made some people go 'WTF, you aren't supposed to do that!' I suppose old rock from the 50's and many other things technically would count, but I'm looking for exceptional and notable elements. Like using electric guitar for the first time is innovative, but it isn't far fetched either.

Ugh... I've been stuck on this for over two months. I'm just not inspired any further with it... Any help would be appreciated. I did a rush job to compress it for upload, so it may or may not have minor artifacts to those with a good ear (though the track is already intentionally dirty to begin with) http://www.tindeck.com/listen/ojcn

Good feedback! You actually surprised me. I may incorporate some changes if I get around to it, because I agree with you. I knew it had some kind of problems, but I also enjoy the way it is, so I tend to become ambivalent... but that has to do with my whole philosophy of music which I won't go into here. But anyway, thanks for your help!

Thanks for that! Good example!

Not sure if this is the right place to put this... but I'm interested in music that truly skirts musical 'rules' or is innovative in some way. I'm not talking about things that are mashed together and people call it music, I mean things that are truly thought out, where somebody knows traditional theory, and thoughtfully surpasses it. Things like It seems hard to find things like that, was wondering if there are more examples out there.

Hello... first post. I've actually already submitted this song, but I've kind of lost interest in pursuing it as far as OCR is concerned. If it makes it or not, so be it. I still welcome any comments though. And yes, some might consider the end to be abrupt, but I assure you it isn't from not being able to make any ending I want to. But other than that one obvious thing, feel free... [edited for clarity] http://www.tindeck.com/listen/aszs