Jason Covenant
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The theme this week is Mr. X's Fortress, from Mega Man 6.
I like that theme. =) Let me talk to my team and we'll see who's up this week.
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so, the deal is, i'm allowed to drop out of the competition but whoever takes my place has to keep bubble man as their robot master and they must be able to stick it out through the duration of the competition. If you're interested, contact ectogemia and chat him up and see what's up
:( :( :(Can't blame you for having to drop out. Still sad to see you go.
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Another game I felt had a good story was IceWind Dale 2. Come to think of it, it's probably my favorite rpg. I liked the optional back story you could delve into with the tomes you'd find in the game.
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Spoony wants to have a word with you
I realize mine is a minority view. That doesn't render it invalid.
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Yeah but that's not actually what the game is about.
It's not? Well I'm confused then. Oh hold on, just googled it. So Mario was a communist. Guess that makes more sense than how I interpreted it.
I haven't gotten into many games with an in-depth story. There are a few exceptions, like FF8 which I thought had a great story.
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No one outsolos me
Except for Stabby McFlutters of course.
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How about Super Mario Brothers? It's a game that takes place within the twisted mind of an Italian plumber as he battles bizarre creatures and sexual frustration. His fantasies include his other personality, Luigi, a taller, thinner version of himself, and an evil turtle king. Like in many dreams, the plumber imagines himself capable of great power, able to throw fire and slaughter countless enemies. And even though he dies, he is able to return and keep fighting many times as though nothing happened. As the game progresses, you delve deeper into his perverse psyche as you try to make sense of the surreal world inhabiting his mind. He conquers castle after castle, only to be told that the "princess is in another castle," symbolizing his real life struggles with impotence and rejection.
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Well, compressing reverb can be nice when you use it as an effect.
Try this: Take a bottle hit sound and add some very wet, medium-length, bright reverb on it. Then compress the hell out of it. You will have a new flute.
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Normalization would be calculating the standard deviation and assigning a certain amount of points depending on where people fell ranking-wise...something that'd take more effort than anyone probably would want to put in, including me.
I would do it. But Darkesword has already chosen his system. I'm ready to move on and just keep my own tallies.
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The top ranking team in the first round received 64 points, right? Let's say that in the next round, not as many people vote, so another team wins that round with 50 points. So just because more people voted in the first round, the first team is still ahead? That's not fair. You win the round, you should be in the same standing. That's why points going from round to round are normalized. I will not change this, because it's the only system that is actually fair in a multiple round competition.
I disagree. Voter participation levels can affect in results in any compo, not just multi-round compos. That's not something you can eliminate or normalize without seriously distorting results in a different direction. Case in point, making half the entries automatically tie. I still believe that getting the points you actually get is fairest. And I don't think we should think only of the feelings of remixers, what about voters? What if they vote for the bottom 50%, shouldn't their votes still count?
However, as I said before, you are the final arbiter of the rules and I will still participate in the compo enthusiastically. But, I will be keeping my own tally. Thank you for weighing in on this.
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Is that little green light next to the fx volume on?
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You heard the man... THIS COMPO IS NOW AKIN TO STARCRAFT
I am SOOO sending a zergling rush in round 4.
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Guys. GUYS.
It's a GAME.
And I don't play games with level scaling. I like to improve and eventually be better than my enemies in the game, so I play games with rules that lead to the funnest experience. If this compo is a game, we should definitely go for the fairest rules in order to have the most fun.
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Told you so, now pay up.
You can send monopoly money over paypal, right?
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Y'all sound like a bunch of mini-prophetiks whining cause you aren't getting votes
Darnit Brandon, now I owe Willrock $10.
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Well let's just say I'm still against it. Jason's proposed idea smells like the old DoD system, where people just vote on what they have with the limitations they've got, and the ones that are the worst hit are the ones that they purposely didn't want to care about.
There will always be biases. But this system makes that worse. Your votes don't count unless you vote for someone that ends up in the top 3. So people, wanting their votes to have some impact, have an incentive to vote for people that are popular or they think will win, instead of who they really think should win. Don't you think a fun competition should have some basis in merit?
And yes, I know this system is upsetting a lot of people, but let's just STOP getting upset about it and move on. I swear everyone's going to get headaches in the morning if this keeps getting debated >_>If your goal is to end this conversation, I'm curious to know what you expected to accomplish just now by adding to it. You don't need to read any more posts about this discussion. You can ignore it and focus on other things if you wish.
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I appreciate the alternative vote tally you're doing, Prophecy. I think a direct count like yours is the fairest method, no offense Darke.
Np. I've been thinking of ways to do it in as clear a manner as possible. I'm open to suggestions.
I would appreciate feedback from anyone who is willing to provide it. If anyone feels so inclined, just PM me so we don't clutter up the main thread.Ok. Expect a pm from me in the near future. Bug me if I forget.
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Yes, the full written reviews are awesome feedback and I want to commend all of those who took the time to do it. I plan to continue doing that every round as well (time permitting).
I think that's one of the best and most important parts of these compos. Both written reviews and votes are great forms of feedback and can help people realize what they are doing wrong and what they're doing right. I'm sorry I didn't post any last round. I started some, but didn't finish before the start of the second round. Seems a little late now. If anyone wants a review on their track, feel free to ask.
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Ah, see, I'm just voting for whichever songs I like best, based on production quality/musicality/musicianship and arrangement (in that order). I guess maybe I'm just not taking this as seriously as some people?
EDIT: I should also mention that I think the voting is going to be almost entirely subjective no mater how we end up scoring it, so I'm not bothering to be terribly scientific about it at all.
That's the point. And those opinions, no matter how subjective should still count. The problem with the current system is that some votes won't count at all.
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You know... that's a brilliant idea. Not like there's an elimination, or anything, so no reason not to have one's own alternative tally, if you want it.
That may very well be what happens. I don't think it's darkesword's intention to disenfranchise anyone or introduce unfairness. It is my hope that he adopts a system where votes equal points and the person you vote for gets the points you allot to them. And if darke does keep the current system but most people rely on the actual tally, what does that say about the current system? What purpose does it have if no one follows its results?
Anyway..... even if the scoring system doesn't change can we at least have individual round rankings get incorporated into the roster sheet? That way we actually know where we stand each time we submit a mix without having to dig for it.
If darkesword doesn't I'll still be keeping a tally. I'll also give individual round rankings. No worries. The info will be available regardless.
I want to know why people are getting their panties in a knot over a competition that doesn't have any prize other than bragging rights. I'm having a blast--and I'm only here to sharpen my ReMixing skills. Just participate, have fun, and enjoy the music!I suggest you read the thread before responding...
Wait wait wait, Stabby Mcflutters the spider monkey is competing???Unfortunately for all of us, that is the case. At least second place is still available.
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Hey everyone, Prophecy's keeping the tally regardless, and Darke's gonna be like, "What-EVAH, What-EVAH, I do what I want!" So stop flooding the thread and just follow Jason's tally instead
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I realize a few people have made comments about "venting" or whatever, but I'm of the opinion that people have been very mature about this. Honestly, when I first saw the discussion I expected things to get way out of hand, but I think people have been for the most part very adult and respectful in this discussion.
Even if darke decides to go with a system where everyone gets zero points and Stabby Mcflutters the spider monkey gets 35834545 each round round, I'd still eagerly participate in the compo. In that same breath, I'd still keep score so people can track progress and so that I can at least pretend that my 2nd and 3rd place votes counted. (In the current system, they don't. Both Sir Nuts and Lidawg got 1 point.) Either way, everything will work out and people will still have fun. I just think they'd have more fun with a system with a 1:1 ratio of votes to points. 1 vote, 1 point.
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However, it would also punish teams that did not submit or that received no votes in the dust, and may thus discourage participation in future rounds of the competition.
Both systems give zero points to those that don't submit. This has no bearing on rounds when they do submit. If getting zero points discourages a team in one system, it'll discourage them in another. Zero is zero.
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Yes, it is. After round 1, the largest point spread is 4 points. Guess what? After round 2, it is very possible for a team currently in fourth place to take the lead.
Tell you what then, let's take the vote totals and divide them by 100. So halc actually got .64 in the first round. That means that even a team with zero points is less than 1 point off from winning. Wouldn't that be even better than what you're suggesting? I mean, everyone's score would be super close.
My point is, it doesn't matter that the current system uses smaller values. What matters is proportions.
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Y'know, if everyone is having a real problem with this why don't you guys find DS and talk to him about it in IRC or something and discuss it with him there? Rather than talk about it among yourselves,
Darkesword has an account on ocr. He's active in this thread and will probably weigh in at some point. I don't think expressing our opinions in the public competition thread is "talking amongst ourselves" since it's in the public thread.
just ask DS if it would be a problem to change the point tallying system to another proposed system that people agree with, while it's not too hard to change up.I don't think darkesword would make a change for one person if he thought everyone else was fine with it. This is a public thread and involves discussion of the contest, including its rules. By sharing our opinions here, darkesword can see who thinks what and we can have meaningful discussion.
It's not easy to make something like this work for everyone, so don't get upset over it in here - it's not going to help, and will probably just dissuade DS from having a compo like this again (which would be a damn shame - I'm enjoying this quite a bit, personally). Talking to him more or less in private would be a better option than venting about it in here.It's not easy to come up with effective rules that everyone will be happy with. But that doesn't mean that all systems are created equally or that we should accept systems that are needlessly divisive. And expressing an opinion is not the same as "venting" which implies we're all just pissed off and taking it out on this compo. Please don't condescend that way. We just have a difference of opinion.
The current voting system ensures that all of the teams stay within relative reaching distance of one another, and, especially if there are as many as nine rounds, it's anyone's contest.
If the goal is to keep everyone at the same score, why not just give everyone the same score every round? And it's not true anyways, since the leaders win by a much larger ratio with this system so no, it's not "anyone's contest."
Mega Man: The Wily Castle Remix Gauntlet 2011
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Hey, just a few little discrepancies in the score. In the vote tallies, Neblix's vote is shown as:
1. Far From Home
2. The Root of All Things
3. Wily's Inferno
The vote in the voting thread is:
Neblix
1. Far From Home
2. Wily's Inferno
3. Shadows of Wily
And also cobaltstarfire's vote. In the vote tallies, his vote is displayed as:
1. Attracted to Power
2. Shadows of Wily
3. No Ticket!
But his vote in the thread is:
cobaltstarfire
1. Attracted to Power
2. Willy's Inferno
3. No Ticket!
Also, Geoffio is in Cold Steel and did vote, so Mr. X was Wily the WHOLE TIME needs another 3 points. Geoffio's team is currently blank.
Normally little discrepancies like this wouldn't change anything. But in this case, it may affect some rankings. It would affect Shadows of Wily and Light Your Way. It would also mean that Mr. X was Wily the WHOLE TIME is not tied with whatever.jpg.
Oh, and here's the result of the popular vote:
http://jasoncovenant.com/wcrg-scores