prophetik music Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 specs: 3.46 ghz celeron (533 buss) intel mobo nvidia geoforce 7600 gs graphics card 1 gig of heatspreader ram (name-brand, but forgot the name) external soundblaster 24-bit soundcard four hard drives totaling 780 gigs (80gig caviar IDE [7 years old], 160gig SATA samsung [three years old], 300gig SATA barracuda [new], 250gig usb2 external [some random brand, a year old]) windows xp sp2 my computer hard-booted seven times yesterday, and each time windows blamed the antivirus software (avast 4 home edition). each time it was when i was either about to or in the process of transferring a large amount of files (10+ gigs) to my new hard drive (the 300). S.M.A.R.T. data comes back negative, and none of the drives have a problem that's obvious. i was using avast!, and after it started acting up i switched to AVG. i was running torrents at the time in the background. is it a problem with the drives? or is it actually an issue with avast? or do you all need more information? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schwaltzvald Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 How long have you had Avast! before this hard booting started up? Is there a possibility that a file that's part of your massive transfers could be infected or corrupted..? Also if you had avast! for a long time has it done something like this before..? Assuming you're now using AVG and uninstalled Avast!, has your PC hardbooted anytime while you're doing your transfers while running AVG..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prophetik music Posted December 10, 2007 Author Share Posted December 10, 2007 i haven't attempted to do any mega transfers since installing avg, but the computer did stay online all night (hasn't done that since wednesday or so). considering that the computer was homebuilt in may, the files on there probably aren't corrupted because they're only recently added to the computer. i used avast since i made the computer, however it's not really ever NOT been a problem. it never does the scans when it's scheduled to, and it pretty much just is a hassle all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schwaltzvald Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 Avoiding VP bashing, just... "avoid" avast! for now and try out AVG or any other AV out there that you may feel comfortable with... *personal note - From experience I've had a much better time with AVG as it does what it's suppose to do, though perhaps not industrial strength as a few others, it does the job just fine. - Also it would help to see what the error message actually says. have you posted this issue on avast! forums..? One more question, why not go smaller by transfering 5 gigs worth of data..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prophetik music Posted December 10, 2007 Author Share Posted December 10, 2007 considering that i'm talking about my dvd backups of my bluray discs, under 8 gigs a pop is an issue - that's the size of one file. also, i have so much stuff to transfer and move around that it'd be a real issue dealing with smaller segments. i shouldn't HAVE to limit my transfer sizes, should i? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schwaltzvald Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 To be honest I've never had the experience of transfering so much data between hard drives; especially since I usually store them neatly in the first place either in seperate, mobile, hard drives or dvds. I can't say much on bluray as I see it as this generation's betamax regardless of that, you may as well try transfering while AVG is running, as it could be a protocol from avast! to read the files as its being transfered just fucking up horribly to cause a hardboot... May not even have an issue with AVG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prophetik music Posted December 10, 2007 Author Share Posted December 10, 2007 i'm thinking that avast! trying to scan every file as it's being transferred that's jacking it up. it handles large files well, but when, say, my drumloops folder (13k files, 2.9 gigs) started transferring it freaked out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schwaltzvald Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 Give it a try and report what happens... If it does it again it could either be just an issue with Windows XP or perhaps even the possibility that the hard drive is not working properly; leasr likely but very plausable... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Effef Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 Hard rebooting is quite a hard thing to diagnose. It could be anything from a power supply issue to a program conflict. If it does it again, remove the antiviruses altogether and then try. Oh, you might want to change the thread title, its kind of misleading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prophetik music Posted December 10, 2007 Author Share Posted December 10, 2007 a power issue is a possiblity, my power supply isn't as large as it could be. i've got another power supply sitting around, but it'd be a bitch to pull out and plug in just for giggles. how would i check that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schwaltzvald Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 Considering your set up and giving all specs on your pc, what is your powersupply..? I'd personally go for something like 500W or 700W for something like your rig; considering you got something like four (4) hard drives... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Effef Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 what exactly is the one you have in there rated for? There should be a sticker on the side that tells you. Look for how many amps are on the 12v+ and how many watts there are. I'd personally go for something like 500W or 700W for something like your rig; considering you got something like four (4) hard drives... oh god no More like a good 300-400 watts (if that) with one or two good 12v rails Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prophetik music Posted December 10, 2007 Author Share Posted December 10, 2007 rosewill 375 with a low-power cpu, three hds (ide, sata, sataII), two fans, a cpu fan, a low-power graphics card, and one gig of ram. not much in terms of neon on the case, either, it's a small shuttle case. never temps past about a 35 degrees celsius in-case, either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Effef Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 I am not a huge fan of rosewill, but that sounds like it should be fine. I need the 12v+ ratings of the power supply to really tell you though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schwaltzvald Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 oh god noMore like a good 300-400 watts (if that) with one or two good 12v rails Well excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me for not doing normal work with my systems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Effef Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 Well excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me for not doing normal work with my systems It is always better to overate with a power supply than underrate, but I am just used to people going OMGZZ I HAVE TWO HARD DRIVES I NEED 1000 WATTTTS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prophetik music Posted December 10, 2007 Author Share Posted December 10, 2007 this is what i've got. that should be more than enough, right? i OWN a rosewill 480W one (newegg doesn't have it anymore but it was listed as "Rosewill RV480-2-FRB-S ATX 12V Ver.2.01 480W Power Supply - Retail" when i bought it). should i switch to that one? lol 1000 watts. edit - found it. rosewill's site has the info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schwaltzvald Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 It is always better to overate with a power supply than underrate, but I am just used to people going OMGZZ I HAVE TWO HARD DRIVES I NEED 1000 WATTTTS I know what you're saying I just chose it in the case that when I expand my system it may end up needed that extra power Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Effef Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 this is what i've got. that should be more than enough, right? i OWN a rosewill 480W one (newegg doesn't have it anymore but it was listed as "Rosewill RV480-2-FRB-S ATX 12V Ver.2.01 480W Power Supply - Retail" when i bought it). should i switch to that one?lol 1000 watts. edit - found it. rosewill's site has the info. i found it already, thanks though That Rosewill should be more than capable of powering your system, on paper anyway. I would try hooking it up, as the power supplies that come in cases often aren't the best quality due to cost cutting measures. I couldn't even find specs on the one that came with that case anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prophetik music Posted December 10, 2007 Author Share Posted December 10, 2007 is there some program i can run to test power consumption across the board? maybe that would tell me more than just randomly unplugging things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Effef Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 is there some program i can run to test power consumption across the board? maybe that would tell me more than just randomly unplugging things. Not really, the closest thing to that would probably be the voltage monitoring system in Speedfan. What it does is tell the volts being sent to all the components, and if something is amiss there will be a huge drop or spike. My theory goes like this: When you are transferring those huge files, the 12v rail(s) in your current power supply get stressed. Since its so cheap, it can't hold that power for long times, thus you get random reboots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prophetik music Posted December 10, 2007 Author Share Posted December 10, 2007 ok, i'll try the other power supply. now i've gotta rip apart my shuttle case AGAIN... grar. i'll get back to you on if it works better. also, when i just got home now, it had reset sometime between 10am and 4pm. =( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prophetik music Posted December 10, 2007 Author Share Posted December 10, 2007 ok, my (totally NON-ATX size) extra psu is in my case. more updates to come. i also moved my sataII drive to a different spot for better heatflow. it runs way hotter than the other two, so i think maybe it was overheating and resetting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Effef Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 ok, my (totally NON-ATX size) extra psu is in my case. more updates to come.i also moved my sataII drive to a different spot for better heatflow. it runs way hotter than the other two, so i think maybe it was overheating and resetting. Hard drives don't reset per say, they just get really hot and you start seeing read and write errors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prophetik music Posted December 11, 2007 Author Share Posted December 11, 2007 well, it was running very hot, so i figured moving it would be a good idea regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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