DusK

Linkspast's idea is a good one. Even though more people here seem to have the 360 version, there appears to be enough people to merit a PS3 tourney as well. I think it'd also be cool if DJP could give the winner(s) a place of honor for a while on the front page of the site.

I'm really liking this. You gotta write up a tut on how you get your recordings so good. Maybe give me a few pointers?

I can see why people have put you on ignore before, Bleck. You're really good at this trolling stuff. You ALMOST angered me. A little. But then I remembered people like you aren't worth worrying about. Or listening to, for that matter. So... anyone care to get back to the topic at hand? Any juicy links to some more FFXIV info that anyone's found?

So my taste in gaming makes me an idiot, simply because it differs from yours. Gotcha. And you're a dickhead. Which has also been pretty well established. EDIT: Didn't see your post, Arek. If you're a warrior, and you only auto-attack until level 10, you're gonna die. If you're a mage and you only use firebolt till level 10, you're gonna die. If you're a lock, and you only use shadowbolt till 10, you're gonna die. It's more complex than that. And it's fun when you're playing a new class, as it gets you up to speed on what playing style that class needs to succeed. 1-10 is pretty much there to get new players used to the game, or their class. And even then, reaching 10 takes such a short amount of time it's almost negligible. Anyone who knows how to play the game can hit 10 in an hour or 2. Man, a lot must've changed since you stopped playing.

You and me both. Well, gentlemen, I'm off to practice. Good luck to everyone.

That's because I really don't see it. I'm having fun from the moment I roll a new character.

So the only way a game is good is for them to put in what YOU'D want to see, and everything else is automatically crap. Gotcha.

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This is a thread about MMO games. In particular, one about to be released, FFXIV. If you don't like MMOs, why would you come into a thread just to bash them? I'm sure there's "much better stuff out there to be doing." I can definitely see where ZealPath's coming from as far as the apples and oranges thing. I guess I just preferred that questing element of WoW more. If FFXIV is indeed stepping away from the grind I knew in FFXI, it should end up being a very enjoyable experience. I watched the trailer not too long ago and showed it to my girlfriend. She didn't like it when I said "Wanna quit WoW with me?"

Clear skies all night. I've never actually felt glad I live in a rural area until now.

Oh, I have no doubt that FFXIV could beat out WoW if Square-Enix gets it right. In fact, I HOPE it does. There were a lot of things I liked from FFXI that I missed when I played WoW (job system and battle system, for example), and I like the art style a lot more compared to WoW. I'm actually with tweek on this one. I have high hopes for this title, and I'll definitely be taking a break from WoW upon its release to give it a whirl. One of my main gripes is still the complex account setup. I'm actually reinstalling FFXI to see what's changed (I heard a LOT did in the past 4 years), and if Edge and Zeal are right about not having to buy another copy, I shouldn't have too much trouble getting back into the game. I still haven't finished installing PlayOnline; It'll take about 4 1/2 hours to update, so I'll just leave it running overnight and continue tomorrow.

I guess that argument is understandable. If every game with a lengthy tutorial section is "shitty." But to people who haven't done those sections, it's usually what hooks them. But, let's see. You can start doing instances at around level 15, which is pretty much right around the time you'd get done with the tutorial-ish quests of the game. And then around 17-19 is a good time to start doing BGs. So yeah, if you don't think dungeon-diving with a party or don't think PvP is fun, it would take a while to get into something entertaining. Then again, if the former is boring to you, how would you like FFXI? Most of the early game is getting into groups for the sole purpose of leveling. Not that I didn't mind it too much, but there's not much of a sense of progression as compared to an instance in WoW. You get in a group, go over to Valkurm Dunes or wherever you're grinding at the time, and just kinda... sit there. Wouldn't that classify as "a bunch of boring shit?" I personally love instances (one of the reasons I love GW). I think they're one of the best aspects of the game, and I can't wait to get into raids.

As far as I know, TF2's population never dropped. Halo 3's did, though. If a game's good, people don't stop playing it. Unless, of course, something better comes along. Am I gonna get a decent argument out of you guys, or is it all gonna be "WoW players are stupid and WoW sucks end of story lalalalalala"? Cause all I'm seeing are piss-poor arguments and unmerited bias. The only one of you that's come close is EdgeCrusher, and his was still more hate-spew than anything. I'll make this easy for you guys. Explain how FFXI is better than WoW. Educated answers preferably, none of this "omg everyone who plays wow is stupid because i said so" crap. Examples of gameplay mechanics, community interaction, ect. Or is the "close-mindedest" person the only one who's capable of civility in a debate?

I'll probably get my ass handed to me, but since it's all pretty much for fun, count me in. DusK - ItStartsAtDusK

I never said that. I still play GW, I don't think that sucks, I actually think it's really good. And I did like FFXI's battle system in the fact it still felt like a Final Fantasy game and not every other MMORPG out there. All I said is that WoW is still superior in terms of overall gameplay. I guess it all depends on what you want out of games. I guess that's how opinions work. Yeah dude, I play in a metal band, so that automatically makes me a Hot Topic clone. 1st part yes, second part no. WoW has far more diversity in its gameplay than any other MMO I've played. The massive amount of content keeps things interesting. You must've played Alliance. It's generally not like that Horde-side. So why did WoW's player count skyrocket while FFXI's player count plummeted? Or am I supposed to believe that just because people stop playing a game doesn't mean it's bad?

Generalization, again. I guarantee you, if that's all the game was full of, I wouldn't be playing it.

Oops, my bad. Kinda skimmed. Link to characters from the Armory? Or maybe some elaboration on what aspects of WoW suck compared to other MMO's?

I'm gonna go ahead and call bullshit. You really expect me to believe that you hopped on the game for ONE DAY and got multiple characters above 60?

Can I get some reasons why WoW sucks? Maybe from someone who actually bothered to play the game? I played and compared 'em both. At the time I switched (4 years ago), WoW's gameplay was infinitely better than FFXI's. Has that changed at all?

Only if you say so, Lord of All Gaming.

Generalizations can be fun too! EDIT: Today, I decided to see if they had indeed made the mess associated with playing FFXI (the mess that made me quit in the first place) any easier. I popped in my Vana'diel Collection disc, installed the PlayOnline viewer, but whenever I try to run it, I get an error code and a message telling me that PlayOnline Viewer won't run under my operating system (Vista 32-bit). A visit to the sit yields nothing. Searching in the support section for the message and error code also yields nothing. A person shouldn't have to search the internet for the patch or application necessary to get this game running on Vista. You'd think SE would be smart enough to make that stuff easily accessable. And this is just the viewer! I imagine I'll have lots of fun getting the actual game to run. Do any of the FFXI players here have a link to a patch or download that would get the PlayOnline Viewer running on Vista? EDIT 2: Figured it out. Nevermind. Had to go through a couple of pages on Google for a guide which led me to the link.

Tell that to the other 13 million subscribers. Hell, I'll go tell all 500,000 FFXI players that their game sucks dick. Wanna race?

That's another thing I don't like about FFXI. The service is way too convoluted. Why couldn't they just keep it simple, like WoW? I dunno. I played like... 4 years ago. Maybe they've ironed out those kinks since then. I guess it doesn't really matter much anyway. $13 a month and an additional dollar per character is too much for a game that pales in comparison to WoW.

From the Final Fantasy XI PC manual:

I would buy that in a heartbeat.