Yami Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 No, not a WIP by this guy again Well, yes that's true, but somehow this mix had a mind of its own. Why? Because I didn't intend to do a remix of this piece, at least not this way, it was planned to be a dubstep experiment. When I listened to A.COE's 'Quicksander', my brain had this line of thought: Sonic -> Genesis -> PSG \ PSG Wobble Bass Dubstep -> Wobble / Even if I don't really like dubstep that much, I wanted to try it out. But this didn't work as planned, I can't seem to get a nice irregular wobble. Anyways, I changed the octaves and some other things of one ProtoPSG preset and suddenly I had a wonderful pad sound, and suddenly I had a trance mix on my hands... Personally I like this one best of everything I have done until now. tl;dr Original: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU92aql5mD8 My (finished) try: http://soundcloud.com/yaminokeshin/my-hometown-on-algol-ii-v9 Feedback always appreciated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yami Posted February 11, 2012 Author Share Posted February 11, 2012 Some minor changes. http://soundcloud.com/yaminokeshin/my-hometown-on-algol-ii-v2 Feedback anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yami Posted February 12, 2012 Author Share Posted February 12, 2012 Added a delay to the first bassline. http://soundcloud.com/yaminokeshin/my-hometown-on-algol-ii-v3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L-Cancel Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Well, first off, what were you doing to get your wobble? Anyhoo, the track itself, doesn't really stand out for me...but then again, neither does the original. That's just my own personal bias, since I'm not really a big fan of overly cheery themes, anyway. Also, you could always just refix it as Drum n' Bass, if you cannot manage Dubstep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yami Posted February 13, 2012 Author Share Posted February 13, 2012 Well, I did the old "change the cutoff LFO frequency" trick. But I know less about D'n'B than about dubstep, so this would be more difficult. Concerning standing out, it is the direct opposite for me. This song is the only one from the PSIV soundtrack that stuck out for me and it is one of my favorite VGM tunes ever. But everyone has a different taste Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L-Cancel Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Mmkay, well about the only other thing I'd recommend is using an LFO Filter vst, if you feel the need to. I actually used one in one of my tracks, if you'd like an example. Well, that's kinda just it, I've always been more the kind of guy that is intrigued by depressing and/or tense tracks. Although, I can enjoy happier stuff, just not as much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yami Posted February 13, 2012 Author Share Posted February 13, 2012 Can you recommend a filter VST? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L-Cancel Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 http://freemusicsoftware.org/977 Just to give you an example of it being used: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yami Posted February 13, 2012 Author Share Posted February 13, 2012 Thanks, I'll try it out sometime (After all I've done to this track I don't think this one wouldn't work out as dubstep, because it's too cheery) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yami Posted February 15, 2012 Author Share Posted February 15, 2012 Nothing much, just a bit change in the bassline... http://soundcloud.com/yaminokeshin/my-hometown-on-algol-ii-v4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaipurna Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 The part at 1:10 reminds me of "Go West" by the Pet Shop Boys but I'm not familiar with the source. The clap is a bit repetitve and loud for me. Maybe you could go a little orchestral near the end, but I'm not sure that's what you want to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yami Posted February 16, 2012 Author Share Posted February 16, 2012 Finally someone with feedback, yay! "Go West"? I had to listen to it first, but now that you mention it, there's a similarity, but this part is from the source. I didn't think the clap is repetitive, but since it's from me my views might differ, so I'll work on the clap a bit (and of course I'll turn the volume down a notch) Concerning orchestral sounds. Perhaps it could work, but I've never done anything orchestral and I don't have good orchestral instrument samples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean Of mArc Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Hey Yami! Thanks for sharing! This one reminds me of the style of some of the OCR submissions when it was just getting started: synths, 4-to-the-floor bass drum with loop-based percussion. That's not a bad thing, but it does sort of have that typical techno remix feel to it. The biggest room for improvement would be in the percussion, which just sounds like it is either on or off, but doesn't really "interact" with the music much, by that I mean have any fills or emphasis, except for the rapid-fire claps at one point (I've never heard such fast clapping before haha). The atmosphere is kind of nice though, with the amount of reverb the lead has. Too much for some, maybe, but I'm a fan. Usually this kind of music emphasizes the off-beat as well, which works well and I would recommend doing. What's that sound at the end? It's like an off-key electric razor? Haha. Overall, the source material is certainly obscure, which I'm always a fan of, and the mix is not bad, but nothing unique either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yami Posted February 17, 2012 Author Share Posted February 17, 2012 Hey Jean, thanks for pointing things out. First of all, I know it's a basic techno thing and it sounds like earlier remixes, but 1) techno is what I was going for 2) I don't have the experience yet for making more elaborate mixes Ok, then I need to work a bit on the percussion, thanks for mentioning. I think I'll try experimenting with some off-beats. I heard this kind of clap effect rather often (at least I think it was a clap) and I always wanted to try that thing out. This sound at the end left me puzzled as well, I thought it was a plugin running wild, but it was just some strange delay feedback which kept playing, it is gone in my last version of the song. BTW, the bridge theme from Darkwing Duck is my favorite theme in the whole game, and I really really like your take on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yami Posted February 18, 2012 Author Share Posted February 18, 2012 Ok, tried a bit different drumming, some changes to the bassline and I realized my pads in the later parts were played by the wrong instruments http://soundcloud.com/yaminokeshin/my-hometown-on-algol-ii-v5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yami Posted February 22, 2012 Author Share Posted February 22, 2012 Changes: Put the volume of the pads down and the volume of the bassline a bit up Changed the speedy clap to a cymbal and added a slight sweep to this part http://soundcloud.com/yaminokeshin/my-hometown-on-algol-ii-v6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean Of mArc Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Hey Yami, You've got some good ideas in there that when I have some time, I'll try and annotate your soundcloud file a bit. The main thing I noticed was that there was a lack of emphasis on 2 and 4 (currently most of the emphasis is on the 1 and 3), and the bass would probably sound more techno/trance-like if the bass were on the off-beat (ie. on the "and" of every beat). Here's an example of what I mean: there are two loops with a pause. The first one has the emphasis on 1 and 3, and the bass is on the beat. The second one (the example I'm trying to encourage you to try) has the emphasis on 2 and 4, and the bass is on the off-beat. http://db.tt/cYBBuowY Let me know what you think! Oh, and thanks for the compliments on the Darkwing Duck mix! The judges decided that it was a good arrangement, but that it sounded too synthetic, so I have to make it sound more "real". That will be my next project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yami Posted February 24, 2012 Author Share Posted February 24, 2012 Thank you for the example, I'll definitely listen to it. This will help me a lot because I thought I understood the concept of off-beat, but when I first tried it, it didn't really work out, so perhaps when I listen to an example I'll get it better. And I'm looking forward to hearing your next take on the bridge theme Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yami Posted February 24, 2012 Author Share Posted February 24, 2012 Let's see what I made from the example http://soundcloud.com/yaminokeshin/my-hometown-on-algol-ii-v7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yami Posted February 28, 2012 Author Share Posted February 28, 2012 Some changes of the bassline again. I like it very much, and for me it might be finished, unless someone more qualified has serious problems with it. http://soundcloud.com/yaminokeshin/my-hometown-on-algol-ii-v8 BTW, jumping directly from WIP to Mod-Review isn't allowed, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yami Posted March 6, 2012 Author Share Posted March 6, 2012 As I prevoiusly posted, for me it is finished, and after some time, if there is no more feedback, I might try my luck with a mod review, because I'm aiming for getting this posted sometime in the future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yami Posted March 10, 2012 Author Share Posted March 10, 2012 Haha, as soon as you talk to someone to get a tip (big thanks again to Jewbei), your supposed-to-be-finished piece gets worked on again. So here's my slightly different version. And I'll switch to Mod-Review, I need to know the thruth about my track http://soundcloud.com/yaminokeshin/my-hometown-on-algol-ii-v9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozovian Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 mod rev: Here's my thought while listening to the track: Drums... no, just no. Repetitive... too much. 1:25 finally something I like. More weird drums. Clashing bass notes. Some nice melodies towards the end, buried in problematic instruments. ARRANGEMENT / INTERPRETATION - Too conservative - sticks too close to the source PRODUCTION - Low-quality samples - not so much the samples themselves, but they're not mixed into the track right - Unrealistic sequencing - this is not how trance/synth pop drums are written PERFORMANCE (live recorded audio/MIDI parts) - Wrong notes, general sloppiness - clashing bass notes, some melody notes in the latter parts STRUCTURE - Lacks coherence overall (no "flow") - might work if other problems are solved first. might not work. hard to say. - Not enough changes in sounds (eg. static texture, not dynamic enough) - the drums dominate the soundscape, and the synths don't contribute much change to the track - Too repetitive Easy no. A lot of your problems are related to the drums. The good thing is that you seem to wanna stay away from overused drum writing patterns. The bad thing is that this deviation doesn't work. The rest of the writing is simplistic, and has clashing notes. Read up on harmony and scales, and study the drum writing (and drum sound choices) in tracks. I kind'a feel like directing you to the Mega Man compos. Listen to the tracks by ppl who were eliminated early in the compos, figure out why. Learn from it. Neblix has said he's learned lots from being in those compos, so perhaps you should study his tracks too, compare the older ones with his more recent ones. Actually, pick any artist whose old tracks you can find, compare to their new ones. See what you can learn from their writing, their sound design, their mixing, everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yami Posted March 10, 2012 Author Share Posted March 10, 2012 Thank you for your feedback, now I know what I have to work on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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