Darkflamewolf

This post is no longer relevant. All old claims from the previous iteration of this album have been released as of Sept 12, 2021. All tracks unclaimed are now open season!

Final Fantasy VIII: SeeDs of Pandora - A Final Fantasy Album Project Director: @Darkflamewolf (Director of Arcadia Legends and Mizar Attacks!) Co-Director: @Jorito (Director of Resonance of the Pure Lands, Paths Less Traveled and Sonic 25th anniversary: Speeding towards Adventures) Art Director: R. Hoffmann Sound Designer/Masterer: Performers available: - John Stacy: French horn, trumpet, flugelhorn, trombone (3 varieties), bass trombone, euphonium, tuba - GameroftheWinds: alto flute, flute, piccolo, clarinet, bass clarinet, recorder (soprano, alto, tenor), tin whistle, soprano sax, oboe (if simple parts), shakuhachi (and maybe some more woodwinds), garklein - Earth Kid: vocals, harp, piano, recorders (all except bass), accordion, Irish bouzouki, hammered dulcimer, mandolin, ocarina, kalimba, percussion such as djembe, tambourine, shakers, otamatone - Siolfor the Jackal: chunky bass and guitars - Jorito: synths, e-piano, organ, bass, guitar and a mish mash of other instruments - Tsori: Trumpet and Flugelhorn - Audio Mocha: Electric guitar, rock n roll, slide guitar and chonk - Manji: Heavy metal guitar and bass guitar - SableProvidence: dizi, xiao, piccolo, flute, bass flute + possibly access to other chinese instruments - Donut: clarinet, flute, bass clarinet, recorders (Sopranino -> Bass) - Cecil: erhu, guzheng - MooglePower: Irish bouzouki, Irish tenor banjo, Irish whistle (and low whistle), mandolin, seljefløyte, anglo concertina, bodhrán, kantele, ukulele, Scottish smallpipes, synth, guitar (DADGAD and standard tuning), and bass PROJECT HISTORY: Hello, everyone! This is Darkflamewolf - Director of albums: Arcadia Legends and Mizar Attacks! for the games: Skies of Arcadia and Jet Force Gemini respectively. There was once a Final Fantasy VIII album launched and attempted back in 2016 that has since fallen off the map and never touched again. I was recently approached by @djpretzeland @Liontamer to head up and direct this album and hopefully get it completed at long last. After much research, delving into past threads and posts, I figured the best way to do this is to relaunch it anew under a new brand and theming. Trying to build something from the ashes of a previous attempt would be a struggle and I feel providing something new and fresh for remixers to sink their teeth into would be best. Final Fantasy VIII was always the dark horse of the PS era of Final Fantasy games - it being the last of the bunch to get a proper remake for current consoles. Also makes sense that it also be the last to get a proper OCRemix treatment! So let's make it happen and bring something fresh and original to the table. Which leads us into... PROJECT CONCEPT : Part of my research led me to Pixel Mixer's full album take on the soundtrack as well as the Materia Collective and their album release around the time the OCRemix album was trying to take off. Listening to all their interpretations of the source material, I knew that for this album to sit apart from previous releases of the soundtrack, we needed to bring something new to the table. Something fresh and exciting - and that's where this concept comes into play. I am splitting up the soundtrack into 3 different genre styles: CALM - CRAZY - OFFBEAT/GOOFY. Let me explain each one: CALM - These are what you'd expect. This CD concept will have tracks that can typically be expected to be more soothing and calming. However, I wanted to add a neat addition to the theme: Since the entire game revolves around exploring the world and exploring different cultures (and there are a fair bit in Final Fantasy VIII), I wanted each song on this CD to have a cultural flair added to it. It can be either an instrument or two from a culture or just the way the song is structured. I don't care if it is Japanese, African, Norwegian, Russian, Indian, Arabic, Turkish, Korean, Australian - it just needs to be audibly recognizable as having that cultural vibe throughout the song. How you do that is up to you. Complete freedom beyond this theming. CRAZY - These are what you'd expect. This CD concept will have tracks that can typically be expected to be more upbeat, pulse-pounding, high octane affairs. It can be metal, rock, shred, EDM, you name it. I don't care which of these toe-tapping genres you put it in, I just want to feel it. Make it hard, fast, loud, crazy - go wild. These are the tracks I want to really turn up my speakers and just rage out to. Let the walls pound with the beat! Complete freedom beyond this theming. OFFBEAT/GOOFY - This is where things get interesting. Complete freedom of genre and style. The weirder and more off-the-wall interpretations you have of these tracks, the better. I want to be surprised and expectations of what the song could be blown away. I want to hear something nobody would expect going into a remix of these songs. Go wild, have fun, sky's the limit. Complete freedom in every sense of the word. Don't repeat what has been done before - do something fresh and new with these tracks! ALBUM UPDATE!!!!!!: So, Jorito and I do feel a bit bad about numerous folks being super excited, eager and motivated to claim multiple tracks - however, previous claimants from the first time this album was launched do have priority over those tracks up until Sept 12, 2021 since they claimed it first. It's the right thing to do to reach out to these remixers and see if they wish to still participate in something they were so passionate about joining back in 2016. When discussing the theming of the album and how the three main CDs were to reflect the nature of each of the Gardens: Balamb = CALM, Galbadia = CRAZY and Trabia = GOOFY/OFFBEAT (because Selphie!) - we came up with a question: What will happen to the Lunatic Pandora disc? Because Jorito and a few others liked that idea and theming as well. So an idea struck me: WHY NOT BOTH?! Why not have 3 primary GARDEN discs and then a fourth LUNATIC PANDORA disc where any genre from the first three discs can go (so no limits to interpretation there!) AND the 4th disc can be where any duplicate tracks can go! Now, for those who still are hyped to remix a track that a former claimant has reclaimed but instead have it be on the PANDORA disc, the three GARDEN discs take priority. I really want each remixer to pick songs not claimed to fill out the first three GARDEN discs. That's priority. Once that is finished, you can then go back and remix the track you also wanted to do that'd be a duplicate. Make sense? TRACK LIST As of 9/21/2022, we are finished with taking remixers and applications to claim tracks. Listed before is the current track line-up of completed tracks. TRACK STATUS Finished Unmastered Arrangement submitted - 69 Finished and Mastered Track - 0 BALAMB GARDEN DISC 1 - The Jellyfish (Fisherman's Horizon) - DJPretzel 2 - Aroma of Sugary Warmth (Balamb Garden) - Clement Panchout feat. Facemeltingsolo, GameroftheWinds & SableProvidence 3 - Moonlit Night on a Calm Lake (Waltz for the Moon) - ChriskAudio 4 - Where is My Fault (Tell Me) - BlueLighter feat. Anna Hanabi, SableProvidence, Khoo Sze Ning, Guitarsvd, Ian Martyn, & dpMusician 5 - Garden's Destiny (The Oath) - Deedubs 6 - I Belong (Where I Belong) - Cyril the Wolf feat. Jordi 7 - Roses, Wine and Gentle Smiles (Roses and Wine) - CarlosEdge 8 - Gaofar (Breezy) - Ian Martyn 9 - The Annals of Truth (Junction) - RebeccaETripp feat. GameroftheWinds & Ian Martyn 10 - Find Your Way to the East (Find Your Way) - Sorven 11 - Take My Squall Away (Love Grows) - Hemophiliac 12 - Tears in Rain (Silence and Motion) - Zack Parrish 13 - The Infested Arena (Fear) - BlueLighter 14 - Long for the Horizon (Blue Fields) - Zack Parrish feat. Ian Martyn, Kestrel Girl & Jesus Chic Acevedo 15 - Moments (Fragments of Memories) - Jorito feat. JoyDreamer & Christ~Amaterasu 16 - Your Smile (Julia) - FeralDreams feat. Juan Medrano 17 - Friends Under Different Stars (Ami) - Cecil feat. James Perretta 18 - Lost in Time (The Successor) - Meldecision feat. Metamoogle & Cyril the Wolf GALBADIA GARDEN DISC 1 - The Galbadian National Anthem (Cactus Jack) - Blake Inc. feat. Cyril the Wolf 2 - Two Scars Matching (Don't Be Afraid) - Tuberz McGee 3 - Dancefloorphans (Truth) - Pixel Pirates 4 - Skadooshin' (Movin') - jdamashii!! 5 - Filthy Lies, Wasted Virtue (Fithos Lusec Wecos Vinosec) - Vodou Queen feat. Rockos 6 - Queen of Cards (Shuffle and Boogie) - GlacialSpoon 7 - Dead End Blitz (Dead End) - bLiNd 8 - Turn Those UP (Starting Up) - Rockos feat. Siolfor the Jackal 9 - Downtown Run (Never Look Back) - Drakeld 10 - Stuck in My Mind (My Mind) - Jorito feat. Sirenstar 11 - Theme of the White Hole Prevention Agency (Ride On) - APZX feat. Jabo & Tsori 12 - The Marshall (Martial Law) - Rockos feat. Zack Parrish & Tsori 13 - Final Force (Force Your Way) - Ivan Hakštok 14 - Witch Hunter (The Man With the Machine Gun) - Gario 15 - Warheads (Retaliation) - Drakeld 16 - Only A Hot Dog Between One and the Sickness (Only a Plank Between One and Perdition) - Siolfor the Jackal feat. Jabo & Serrin's Toes 17 - You Got Me Dancing (Dance With the Balamb Fish) - Treyt TRABIA GARDEN DISC 1 - Even Ill-Omens Need a Break (Premonition) - Vodou Queen feat. dpMusician, SirCorn, Shea's Violin, GameroftheWinds & Tsori 2 - Swagger de Chocobo (Mods de Chocobo) - GlacialSpoon 3 - La Victoria de los Bùhos (Timber Owls) - Deedubs feat. Sean Hardin, Wurtzel, Tsori, CNDRSamus & Travis Kindred 4 - Proposition and Clamor (Overture) - APZX 5 - Willingly Sacrificed (A Sacrifice) - MkVaff 6 - El Gran Salar (The Salt Flats) - CNDRSamus feat. GameroftheWinds 7 - A Scar to Match (Rivals) - colorado weeks feat. Chromatic Apparatus, Flake & Shea's Violin 8 - The Oscar Goes to Laguna Loire (Slideshow Parts 1 & 2) - BlueLighter 9 - Night Shift (Jailed) - DJ Orange 10 - OH!! DEKA-DE-JAZZ-DE-CHOCOBO ~ Dirty Contacts Mix (Odeka de Chocobo) - HeavyViper 11 - For a Few Draws More (The Mission) - Flake feat. Sorven, Audio Mocha, Cyril the Wolf, dpMusician, Zack Parrish, Ian Martyn & Calem Destiny 12 - Still Under Her Control, But With New Management (Under Her Control) - Jean Of mArc 13 - Impressions From Unrest (Unrest) - SirCorn 14 - Into the Singularity (Compression of Time) - Sirenstar feat. Jorito 15 - Concédeme Un Momento (Eyes on Me) - CNDRSamus feat. Earth Kid & Chris Kohler 16 - Deling City Nights (Galbadia Garden) - Lucas Guimaraes feat. Dionte George, dpMusician, theBitterRoost & MegadudeXD 17 - A Wounded Spy (The Spy) - Vylent 18 - Succession of Magical Girls (Succession of Witches) - donut feat. John Bishop 19 - Smooth Heretic (Heresy) - KalS 20 - We Are the Winners (The Winner) - Jorito feat. Numoon, Sirenstar, Cyril the Wolf, Tsori & Dewey Newt LUNATIC PANDORA DISC 1 - Voces Maledictionis et Spei: Children Fated to Lead (Liberi Fatali) - Heavenwraith feat. JoyDreamer, Bonnie Bogovich, Vodou Queen, Ian Martyn & colorado weeks 2 - If Time Stood Still (Eyes on Me) - Earth Kid feat. Erika Richards 3 - Set the Stage on Fire (The Stage is Set) - Zack Parrish 4 - The Sorceress' Knight (Force Your Way) - Deedubs 5 - Heavy Residents (Residents) - Rockos feat. Zack Parrish & Cyril the Wolf 6 - The Tolls of Stringent Obligation (The Landing) - Zack Parrish feat. Chromatic Apparatus, Alex Parrish, Cyril the Wolf & Angel Hernandez 7 - High Tides and Lunar Cries (Lunatic Pandora) - Audio Mocha 8 - In Horto Dormit Nuntius (The Castle) - Fishy 9 - SeeDs of Pandora (SeeD) - Jorito feat. Sirenstar, Chromatic Apparatus & Juan Medrano 10 - Make Them Bleed (The Legendary Beast) - Zack Parrish feat. Earth Kid & Viking Guitar 11 - Maybe I'm a Lion or Maybe I'm Not (Maybe I'm a Lion) - Ian Martyn feat. Darby Cupit, Ian Cowell, Leo Martyn, Carrie Wood & MegadudeXD 12 - All Existence Denied (The Extreme) - Vodou Queen feat. Cap'n Shred 13 - Succession of Power (The Successor) - ChriskAudio feat. GameroftheWinds 14 - And That's the End (Ending Theme) - Rockos feat. ChriskAudio QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS: QUESTION: There are 74 tracks - are all going to be needing to remixed? ANSWER: No. I do not expect to have a full complement of 74 tracks that comprise the entire soundtrack to Final Fantasy VIII - however, I would like a minimum of 12 tracks for each CD theme - making a total of 36 tracks. I know it isn't a high bar to strive for, but trying to start up an album that has been languishing for years is a tall order, so I'm setting my sights on a more attainable goal. It would be nice to get them all, but I'm only asking for 12 per disc theme. QUESTION: I would like to remix a track, but not sure if I can meet the theme of the disc on my own. Can I collab with another remixer? ANSWER: Of course! In fact, I encourage many collaborations with this album! If you're awesome at piano, but need someone to give your track that cultural flair that I am hoping for in the CALM disc, then seek out someone willing to provide that for you! I'm excited to hear many collabs on this album. Likewise for the other two discs, if you feel you need to seek out other musicians for their talents to complete it, by all means, go collaborate! QUESTION: Some of the tracks don't seem to be in the right genre - like Eyes on Me is in the CRAZY theme? ANSWER: You're right! I deliberately put some tracks where they were for a reason. For example, I feel Eyes on Me has seen so many slow or smooth remixes and for once, I'd like to see us bring something new to the table with this OCRemix album by spicing it up in a way people didn't expect! QUESTION: What if I have a great idea for a GOOFY/OFFBEAT style, but the track is in the CALM theming. What do I do? ANSWER: Pitch the idea and more than likely, we can swap that track over to the disc of your choice and theming! Just because the tracks are in that theming doesn't mean they have to stay there! My only requirement was AT LEAST 12 tracks per theme. As long as I meet that bare minimum to make a full disc for each theme, I don't really care what tracks comprise what theme. So we can mix and match and this track line-up doesn't need to stay static! You wanna do Silence and Motion as a CALM waltz with sitar? Go for it! All I'm really asking for is to keep the themes so we, as a collective group for OCRemix, can bring something new to the Final Fantasy VIII remixing spectrum. QUESTION: What if I was a part of the previous attempt at this album? Does my claim and/or my track count? ANSWER: It sure can! Get with me ASAP and let's figure out together where we can fit in your track and if it is possible to update it to match the themes proposed above. You are more than welcome to submit the track to see if it fits in. Who knows? It might fit already in the three existing themes without much editing needed! But unless you tell me you want your old track claim back, I won't know if you're still on board. So let me know ASAP if you still want to do it and if you still like the theming your track is under or if you wish to change it to one of the other two. I'm willing to work with you! NOTE: I will be referencing the old forum post about who claimed what and will be giving those remixers priority over the next 3-4 weeks. After that time has past, I'll just assume you do not wish to participate anymore and will give the tracks to interested parties to remix. But I'd love if those who claimed before would want to come back to finish. QUESTION: Is there going to be a place to collaborate all the details of the project while in production? ANSWER: Yes! There is a discord server specifically set up for this album! So expect to get an invite when you join to come to the server on Discord! QUESTION: With the addition of this new, fourth disc - if a former claimant comes back to reclaim their track, can I still remix their track too? ANSWER: Of course! But your track won't be on the primary 3 GARDEN discs, instead, it'll be on the fourth 'bonus' disc, if you will, LUNATIC PANDORA. That and the priority requirement is to remix tracks that aren't going to have duplicates first for the 3 GARDEN discs. We need those filled up first before we start discussing claiming additional tracks that'll ultimately be duplicate remixed tracks for the PANDORA disc. Make sense? ---- Last note: I know this is such a huge shake up and everything regarding this album and I know some people won't be happy. I get that. However, I was personally asked to resurrect this project and this was the best way I've decided to breathe new life into this album. I hope you'll agree and be excited to bring something new, fresh and unheard of for Final Fantasy VIII! Let's be the darkhorse album this game deserves!

Okay, after a lot of discussion and planning, we're most likely going to rebrand this album, change the theming and set up a new album thread with the new Album title soon. More words to follow. Chances are, the tracks you all have been working on may still work with the new theming, but if not, I'm sure can be retooled to fit easily enough depending on what you had planned to begin with. I'm going to get the final OK from @djpretzelbefore proceeding forward though. Hang tight - we might still revive this album yet, but it won't be in this aged project thread.

By open source, you mean any game soundtrack included and not just specifically Hollow Knight? I know there was some pull for a an old Godzilla game soundtrack a while back. :)

Okay, before I do any pitch here, I'd like to direct your attention and maybe some of your time to take a listen to this soundtrack to Serious Sam 4: I want to focus specifically on how the primary genre is epic cinematic score complete with fanfares, vocals and more and when in battle, it transitions to superb metal/rock/electronic or a mix of all three as needed and the fight version is a variation of the main (slower) theme of the level you just heard. It's a fantastic blueprint and it provides an amazing cohesive whole to the entire soundtrack and I just adore it. So, now the pitch: I recently played Hollow Knight and I noticed quite a few leitmotifs were repeated in varying fashions - from the major area tunes to when it changes to 'dangerous' to when it changes to a boss variant/version of the same tune. It's pretty seamless how Hollow Knight links it's themes across several tracks and you don't even realize it! So what if we had an album that took the Serious Sam 4 blueprint above and pushed the Hollow Knight soundtrack to epic cinematic score that progresses to outright mayhem and crazy orchestral metal/rock/electronic by the end for each track before ending it out as the remixer(s) desire? Would there be interest in an album for Hollow Knight that has this specific vision in mind?

It is released!!! It is done! Enjoy the music and rock out!!! ?

COMING SOON, a new OC ReMix community album! Jet Force Gemini: Mizar Attacks! • TRAILER! https://youtube.com/watch?v=-nhmggRxDVU • https://twitter.com/ocremix/status/1401990131242999818 • https://www.facebook.com/ocremix/posts/346591153506430

It's a good thing I got a physical copy of the entire OST from a con event from Square when they were promoting Final Fantasy IX. It was included in the free goodie bag they gave everyone who played the demo. So, if I do take this one, I'll have a full listen-through of the soundtrack, pick out the major highlights, look at what's been done, what needs to be done, maybe revamp the overall available track list based on those factors and my listen-through and we'd go from there. I'd most likely be making a completely new album topic/thread since I'd want to treat it like a brand-new project - if that would be okay with @djpretzel.

Hey everyone! Director of Arcadia Legends and the soon-to-be-released album for Jet Force Gemini: Mizar Attacks here! I've been approached to potentially take over direction of this album, possibly co-directed with another. However, nothing is set in stone at all and I'm looking to see what all has been done, what is left to go, what the full scope of the project is and most importantly: Is there still interest for all involved currently and in the past to continue with this album to completion? I'm proceeding forward with Mizar Attacks album release and potential physical edition negotiations, but after that, I can turn my attention to this album - but I'm sending out feelers, if you will, to see if this is feasible to pick up and finish. Let me know!

Soon....

I mean, if there’s enough interest...

No worries! It’s being worked on! I know you’re excited! We are too! But we please ask for patience. There’s a lot that goes into these album releases behind the scenes. Thank you! The music will be here soon!

At long last! The album has passed eval!!! Now we press onwards towards eventual release!

IT IS SUBMITTED. And now....we wait.

Okay, will be submitting the final submission package this week! And then it'll go into evaluations! Was also thinking of doing a Youtube premiere showing off the entire album with live chat if anyone would be interested in attending! It'll feature the longplay version where we have transitions between the tracks via SFX/melody/etc. so it feels like a cohesive experience.

If Arcadia Legends was anything to go by, we’re still a few months off. I gotta submit the package to OCR and they still got to find time to go through and judge/approve it all. Still got a website to build for download, etc. and potentially announcement trailer. Still lots to do! Even after all that, I’m still gunning to have a physical release done too if possible!

And it is done! All tracks mastered! We are going into the final stages for submission, website, etc. It won't be long now! --------------------------------------------------------- Core Track List (FINAL ORDER SHOWN) 01. "Galaxy Quest" - Title Theme/Main Titles - Claimed by @HeavenWraith 02. "Dreadnaught of War" - Battle Cruiser Sekhmet - Claimed by @Glejs 03. "Big Bug Funk" - Ichor ~ Military Base - Claimed by @Deedubs 04. "Tick Tock Tawfret" - Tawfret - Claimed by @bLiNd 05. "Ruins in the Deep" - Water Ruins - Claimed by @Sam Dillard 06. "The Edge Calls Me" - Rith Essa - Claimed by @MkVaff 07. "Goldwood Glimmerstep" - Goldwood Forest - Claimed by @bLiNd 08. "Dance of the Ant Spawn" - Spawnship - Claimed by @GlacialSpoon 09. "Under Cerulean Skies" - Cerulean - Claimed by @Gario 10. "Bone and Marrow" - Eschebone - Claimed by @Deedubs 11. "CompuSiege" - Mizar's Palace - Claimed by @aluminum 12. "Fury Cutter" - Boss Battle - Claimed by @PirateCrab 13. "World Destroyer" - Asteroid - Claimed by @Deedubs 14. "Anthem Anubis" - SS Anubis - Claimed by @bLiNd Bonus Tracks: B01. "Galaxy Quest (voiceless)" - Title Theme/Main Titles - Claimed by @HeavenWraith B02. "Selection of Destiny" - Character Theme/Select - Claimed by @Rotten Eggplant B03. "Dreadnaught of War (alt)" - Battle Cruiser Sekhmet - Claimed by @Glejs B04. "World Destroyer (voiceless)" - Asteroid - Claimed by @Deedubs

********PROJECT UPDATE #11******** ALL TRACKS ARE DONE! All the cover and back CD art is done! All that is left to do is get them mastered and go through the entire process of pushing this album through the OCR album process and you shall get this beauty in short order later this year hopefully! Jet Force Gemini fans rejoice!

********PROJECT UPDATE #10******** Guess what, y'all? We got 10 tracks out of a total 15 confirmed complete and WAV acquired! And 3 of the remaining tracks are near completion! This album could come together in short order if the remixers really crank out the remaining five tracks! The end is in sight and the finish line so close! Just need a few more remixes and we got ourselves a full 1-disc album on our hands for all the Jet Force Gemini fans to love. Trust me when I tell you, these tracks are freaking awesome and definitely get the blood pumping! Just waiting on @djpretzel or mod similar to move this thread into Projects!

Sorry for the double post, but I felt this was warranted and a very important milestone! For a game that has such little representation in terms of remixes on this site, only 2 before this album!!!! We have successfully brought it up to a grand total of 23 remixes from Skies of Arcadia approved and featured on this site! That means 21 tracks out of 36 from this album got featured! That's over half the album! That's nearly 2/3rds! If that isn't amazing, I don't know what is!!! A bit hearty congrats and kudos to all the hard-working remixers who made this album into the kick-ass beast that it is! The sheer amount of approved tracks simply screams to the overall strength of this album!

Oh yeah, I keep ALL project files to include unused or unfinished WIPs! I never let things go to waste if I can help it! It looks like my next album project might have a few bonus tracks too... Glad you liked them!

Well, if the remixers deliver the tracks I expect on the next deadline as agreed/discussed, we could be 80-90% done and only waiting on a few more tracks after that. So it would take a few more months at most to half a year or more. It really all just depends!

There's one already happening?

@Ikari_Gendou I honestly didn't know that was an option to just go right up to the man and say hi about his music. I guess it couldn't hurt. Granted, most of the tracks are already taken by now, but if someone falls out, maybe? @Light_of_Aether I wasn't aware he had already released the track outside the album. (guess Sam got impatient! lol) But I found it now and it's definitely got some positive reviews. Guess it's like a sneak peek of the album! Granted, it isn't really a good representation of the overall album tone and feel, since a lot of it is pretty energetic.

Yes, this soundtrack and Skies of Arcadia were two of my favorites growing up, so being able to finally get them realized in OCR form is one of my personal dreams. Happy to have been at the helm of both projects! This album is not orchestral by a long shot, although it does have some elements of it in a few tracks, but it should please just about every JFG fan out there and hopefully get some much needed representation on OCR when it is released.