Kidd Cabbage

Less drama, more Dota.

zircon's still mad I first picked Codex Scout.

Whoooooop!

It wasn't even someone raging at me - I just saw someone who I don't want to name throwing a fit at JadeAuto for losing, and I just thought enough is enough. It didn't even involve me, but it's the epidome of what's wrong with the OCR clan in my eyes.

Just throwing out there that a few of us got too tired of all the OCR HoN drama. People raging at other people and ruining the fun for everyone else. So, we reformed the Shizz clan where none of that unsportsmanship will be tolerated.

All he was getting was more health.

It's attitudes like that which make playing with some OCR people not much fun, and I'm not the one who's even getting yelled at for this shit. Like I've said time and time again, I would rather play with Luke than someone on my own skill level that bitches constantly. Luke might not be very good (no offense, brah), but he makes playing the games FUN with his positive attitude. After playing Dota for years, you'll realize that's the most important part. So really, less QQ (in general - not pointing to Bahamut here).

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This is what I've been constantly saying when we play in-houses for months.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

I'm gaining ten pounds today.

I know the difference between copyright and trademark, I just thought that they were planning on using the graphics, code, name, and logo from the original VGMix2 site, rather than a site *inspired* by it.

I don't know the specifics of copyright as pertaining to websites, but assuming that virt's work on VGMix2 is copyrighted (I don't see a reason why it wouldn't be), the idea of remaking his site, a derivative work of his copyright, seems totally illegal to me if you're not getting his permission.

I'm late to the thread. On topic: This is the dumbest piece of ass fucking bullshit I've ever heard of.

I've read it now, and I don't know where the pioneering was addressed. All I meant was that I hadn't read the whole thread and wanted to reply before I forgot what I was going to reply to. If you want to break down aspects of music, then you could see where there is any forward motion going on. Melody: Evolves alongside harmony Harmony: With the exceptions of John Cage and the likes (in the 50s and 60s), not much going on here since the days of Miles DAvis and John Coltrane. Rhythm: In modern music, Jazz is again the winner, with nothing really *new* here since funk anticipations, or if you want to split hairs, some EDM in the 90s, although that's nothing really groundbreaking, just throwing a different spin on existing rhythm. Timbre: The only place where there has been innovation anytime recently with synthesized sound, and this stopped being innovative in the 90s, which again was only an extreme of the developments of the 80s. Dynamics: Return to the Romantic period and that's about the most innovation you'll get here. Orchestration/Instrumentation: Again, nobody has innovated anything passed John Cage, and most people don't consider kettles being dropped as music. And was I was commenting on about people posting non-innovative stuff as pioneering... for instance, the Venetian Snares post. That song was around in 2002, I think the video said. That style was pioneered at some point, but that song wasn't an example of a pioneering piece of music. He was doing the same things that people had been doing since the 90s, so whether that style had been innovative at some point or not, I wouldn't consider that song to be innovative. So, on that note, I'll leave someone that I believe to be innovative, as in having *forward* motion in music, instead of sideways motion, for its time. If you can find an example of forward motion in music in the last ten years, I would like to see it.

Read to this, and now I must post again. Tonality is tonality for a reason, actually. There is a reason that we adopted it, and it goes pretty rigidly with the overtone series. It was developed over the course of almost a thousand years. Harmonization first happened in octaves, and around the 12th century or so, started happening at the fifth, the next highest note above the fundamental in the overtone series. This meant harmonization worked well because there was already a strong voicing of the fifth in the fundmental note. From there, thirds were added, the major third being the next highest unrepeated note. The overtone series is a science of physics and is the entire basis of Western music. Much more evolution happened out of this, but that would take up days of typing and research, which I don't feel like doing. My point is that the tonal system was developed for a reason, is absolutely not arbitrary in the least, and has scientific backup behind it. And although the tonal system was pretty much abandoned around 1900 for the modal system, it's still a system based on very similar concepts. And as a sidenote, something that I missed in my previous thread. Yes, people were pioneers at the time of pioneering these styles, and every style had to be pioneered at some point, but people are quoting bands that are only rehashing and mixing styles that were already around, not actually pioneering anything. To me, pioneering is moving forward, and there has been no forward momentum in music for some time. It's all spreading and sideways momentum at this point, and has been for over a decade. And Gwil, listen to this "composition" bu John Cage, and tell me he's not a pretentious jerkoff. Tell me I'm wrong. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUJagb7hL0E

So, this thread blew up into seven pages and I don't really want to read all of them... But I assumed you meant innovative music for *now*. Like I said, there hasn't been any real innovation in music since the mid 90s, and that's pretty much only due to electrical sounds that were being fiddled with from the 80s. At this point, it's all just mixing and matching styles, not defining anything new, so you'll be hard pressed to find something innovative going on within the last ten years. If you want innovation in music *theory* (like you eluded to in the initial post), look up John Cage and any of the rest of those pretentious jerkoffs who try to pass their noise as music, and this was all happening in the 50s and 60s. As for things that mose people would consider *music* in a science form, you're better off looking into Miles Davis and the like from the earlier half of the century who developed modern modal harmony. But again, I'm going to stick with my statement that (unless there is something going on that I'm unaware of underground), you're not going to find anything really innovative in music in the last decade. Nothing that is *currently* innovative.

So, I hate to be that guy, but I'm not really seeing where you're getting that this is truly innovative. This song doesn't really break or surpass any rules of music theory (you'll hear much more fucked up musical aspects coming from the 1930s, where we developed contemporary theory from,) and I can't really hear anything that isn't just a conglomeration of other genres. Music styles aren't islands, and we haven't really been at a point of musical innovation, so much as branching and blending for over a decade. Don't get me wrong, I like the song a lot, but I don't see where it's breaking any boundaries. The Glitch-esque percussion has been in use since the 90s, and aside from the C64 sid sounds, it sounds like a pretty standard pop style with some jazzy streaks. And I wouldn't say Venetian Snares is breaking any new ground, either. It just sounds like a lot of Jungle and IDM, and again, things like this have been going on since the 90s. Check out this Squarepusher song from '97, very similar stylings.

Sorry about leaving in that game a few hours ago... I kind of had some big personal things in the way...

Eh, I'm not much for the business of banning heroes. Every hero has counters, and every hero can be outdone by someone else playing any other hero. Like I've been saying, it's at least 75% player.

I think their point in loading you with the weaker players *is* to balance it.

Can he summon any bodies of water?

Hag, but with no slow and lots of health.

No, what I'm saying is that they're *trying* to tailor it to everyone's needs, and thus making it more restricting in other circumstances. And zircon, I doubt you'd play a very good Behemoth if you think that Strength heroes absolutely should not focus on nuking.