SonicThHedgog
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I can't help but notice that in the "to be judged" it is titled, "Dem Disjointed Chemical Zone".....what?
that is the name
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Im uploading another version that fixes the main problem I have with 2 mixes, alot of you guys will not notice the problem.
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1. Fucking pancakes!
2. Dont make me repeat myself child.
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I kinda disagree about using other midi's as bad practice.....Arranging, workflow, and production wise.
Especially if your learning how to put together a type of piece or a new type of song/style.
But If he is trying to say he wants to learn music and music theory then I agree with both posts below about learning theory and aural trainning, maybe learning to read sheet notation(I did ;|) if he wants to and not just learning scales and modes.
midi recycle is alright for tricks, but definatly not a must for learning music.
Just my tiny opinion, but pretty much everyone summed this up.
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http://soundcloud.com/aires/blue-streak-speeds-by-air3s
Very rushed
Darn cubase did not let me see my tape sat vst X I might run this through a cassete then in to ableton because I dont think I like what the vst did to my mids and high ends
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The intro has some real sweet little leads and groove. But with all the different sounds going nutshit it can be pretty hard to follow at times. That voicey sound is also kind of annoying.
Other than that, I think it's pretty killer.
Thats complextro for yah
man I wish I got the loudness right the first time ; /
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I agree with a few other posts, the Dizi and the strings (maybe its the patch you used), sound very robotic and dynamics seem very flat imo (unless thats what your aiming then it still sounds cool)
The verb your using sound very colored/low quality
The drum (you know I LOVE drums like cereal,programming,guitars,amps, etc...) are FLAT, try to compress the drums abit and experiment with verb because verb can change the sound of a drum. Then depending on what you think, try experimenting with panning the drums or leaving them center.
For the gong maybe a pan to the left of right is better then automating it since you want a realistic sound because I dont think gongs are moved while they are hit.
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Way too much bass, way too much compression, way too repetitive, timings seem sloppy too.
STRUCTURE
-Too repetitive
-Too short
-Abrupt ending
Too bad8)
besides the "too short" part, I cant loop it, I think I lost the ableton file
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Thanks Guys!
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This thread was answered like 2 or 3 pages ago..
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I'll quote myself lol:
He means the tab them self.
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http://soundcloud.com/aires/super-monkey-ball-3-ice-cave
Soundcloud for discription
Made this in like a hour.
I know very late 80s/90s chicago like but bear with me, I grew up on that stuff : /
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Speaking of PG, I just learnt how to play this
I cant feel my fingers.
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First off, wow this is awesome. Great source and you rocked it out exceedingly well. Killer Studio Chops indeed.
Overall, I'd say the arrangement is fairly conservative, but you do have some parts where you branch out, particularly at that 1:50 - 2:10-ish section. It's not a big deal to me, but I wonder if you subbed it if the judges would think there isn't enough re-arrangement going on.
For the mixing, it sounds pretty tight to me in general. At points the rhythm guitar sounds a bit muddy, particular at the 1:20 - 1:45 "wall of sound" section, where they seem to be overpowering the lead guitar at times. It makes that section feel a bit too cluttered, in my opinion. The lead sounds pretty crisp and upfront in the rest of the mix otherwise.
The percussion sounds a bit too harsh at times too, particular the cymbal. Not that it's too loud, just a bit abrasive. I'm having trouble describing what I'm hearing. At other times the cymbal sounds like it's being lost in the background (0:50 - 0:53). The kick also feels like it could use a little more punch throughout, especially in the bass frequencies. It feels a bit empty right now. But that could just be my preference, as I like a strong bass kick, at least for this style.
Other than that, this thing is awesome man, nice work! I also gotta say, I love the other stuff I've heard from you. Your Maverick Remix Battle song from last year and the song you have on the Wild Arms album are both great. I'm looking forward to hopefully hearing more of your stuff here on OCR!
I agree, this sound awsome but the rhythm guitars sound full but lacking with low end and low mids at the sametime
<-- my expressionBut that me, maybe you already like the mix as it is.
Definatly submit this, but im not sure how long it would take for ocr judges to get to you ; (
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Unfortunately, there is no perfect DAW.
I recently switched to Cubase 6 from SONAR X1 for two and a half reasons (after being a Cakewalk user for almost 14 years):
1) Steinberg invented VST, and I've never had such a stable experience. I use some pretty esoteric plug-ins, stuff you'd only really make use of in orchestral production. Lots of room emulation, stage positioning, reverb stuff. I also use extremely intense patches that can require a TON of very minute and carefully programmed MIDI CCs, so I need an editor that runs stable with patches that have a lot of MIDI CCs flying both in and around.
2) Mother F***ing Arranger Track. There is nothing on the market, not Ableton, not SONAR, that does non-linear playback like Cubase. With Cubase I can actually audition musical INTERACTIVITY, and when you work in games, man, that's the magic word.
2.5) Folders inside of other folders. You might not think that's a big deal, but when you have 40-100 tracks of Orchestral Articulations, organization is paramount.
What's important is finding a DAW that satisfies your friends mental workflow--one that works with his ideas and not against his ideas.
Because here's the honest truth about those whole damned mess:
Tools are the only thing standing between conception and product.
Let that sink in for a minute.
Tools are the only thing standing between conception and product.
You want the distance between the idea you have, the inspirational spark, and the resulting music/sound/audio/product/whatever, to be as SMALL AS POSSIBLE.
Unfortunately, it can't be non-existant.
So you need not only something that works for you, but something that doesn't feel like work.
You really won't be able to figure what that is until you try everything.
Yes This!, Demo EVERYTHING YOU CAN.
Even the crap people hate on could be something you like! just keep your mind open and try everything.....EVERYTHING.
Music is not cheap, but you sometimes have to save and spend to get what you desire.
Here is a short major DAW list
Cubase
Ableton
Protools
Logic
Sonar
Nuendo
FL Studio
Sony Acid
Reaper
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#TeamCubaseFTW
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Pro Tools MIDI sequencing is as bad as everybody says, I can confirm this (having experience with it) along with merely pointing out that even Pro Tools users admit it.
Are you aware this sentence makes absolutely no sense?
If you're going to post some serious advice to someone at least be decent and proofread your god damn posts. I take no issue with you suggesting Pro Tools. Except your reasons for it over other DAW's are basically null at this point.
Maybe its your opinion that its bad, not everybody will have the same issues as another person.
just saying.
But why dont we just tell op to tell his friend to demo DAWs that can be trialled....and not play favorites.....
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Or he can get something that's useful to him now. Pro Tools is good for audio editing. That's it, really.
This guy wants to do MIDI orchestration. You don't pick up Pro Tools for its MIDI capabilities. (I wouldn't even call them capabilities, they're god awful). Try reading the first post.
I know I read, Protools midi is not as bad as people say, especially if he plans on getting a midi keyboard. If you wana see bad look at homestudio 2004, I wrote alot of midi on my remixes on this site for concept and for actual use.
I think its all up to prefrence. Also Imo Abletons vst quality for some plugins is ASS...in my opinion tho
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I guess I'll just have to disagree.
On my site you will find a picture of me at an SSL AWS 900+, which is identical to the 9000k/4000e (actually includes a switch for both EQ styles G and E).
There's a reason for the hardware, there's a reason why people still spend 100,000 on a 24 channel console: Because hardware SOUNDS different.
I am a pro, and I've used an SSL, and Reason consistently sounds outdated to me.
Im with this guy
If he is super serious about composing music then he would get "PROTOOLS 9"
It also has Notation view as well; Midi is not that much of a pain in the ass, hell its way better then abletons and I still can make stuff like this http://soundcloud.com/aires/black-ops-valhalla and this
http://soundcloud.com/aires/old-reflection-entry
I use Ableton Live 8 and Cubase 5 (about to get 6 when my other pc comes in) and for notation I use "CakeWalks Home Studio 2004" (yah I know its old as hell but guess what? IT WORKS GREAT FOR ME).
But If he plans to go into Big times studios,OTB Mix,or Go nuts with hardware mixers or consoles in the future, then definatly tell him to pick up "Protools" 9 or "Cubase 6" and if he has a mac then try out "Logic",it rocks. (he may need to by a protools ready interface but im sure they made version 9 avalible without the need of a interface!). Protools feels like Ableton to me, unparalleled audio editing and routing capabilites and a great recording tool; not to forget to mention they both look cool
. The learning curve for both daws are a little mild but when you look at some tutorials (and even BOOKS/MANUALS!), he will feel right at home.but this is just my opinion, GOOD LUCK! ;p
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BTW CAN ANYBODY ANALOG SUM? OR WANT TO SELL ME AN A/D CONVERTER SO I CAN START SUMMING, I GOT SOME RACK GEAR FROM A FRIEND WHO WHATS TO BUY NEW EQUIPMENT AND REPLACE STUFF.
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Thank you on the responce.Dude, you really should read your posts before posting.As for bass dynamics is always a good thing especially with real bass played and recorded as not just the amplitude but the frequency distribution is also affected by the playing style and the attributes of the instrument itself even tho youd likely compress and eq the sound somewhere in the mixing process the qualities of the source sound still get through just consider transients the compressor doesnt get to in time or the difference in the sound of a slapped bass note and a regular fingered one even if you put a hard multiband compressor on it you can still tell the difference the same applies when its mixed in with loads of other sounds even side-chained to duck under the kick it matters while you of course have to manage the dynamics while mixing to make sure it fits in and doesnt drown any other instruments or get drowned itself you need the qualities of the original performance as they are important in crafting a mix that doesnt sound like a square peg in a round hole with the overly thick sound you can hear in many modern productions where everything is as loud as it gets you need dynamics to let the music and the listener breathe so squashing the bass altho giving the mix a darker heavier sound is not really something I recommend its best to preserve the original performance altho some loss of dynamics is required to have your mixes loud enough to not sound out of place in the company of other modern mixes but you gotta be careful to not overdo it I would suggest studying mixes that have been praised for their production by ppl that know what they're talking about to learn how the end result sounds and compare that to your own mixes.
For a while I've been(eqing) making sure my bass sounds come in very clear in my rock,orcha, and jazz mixes and kinda manually compressing transients incase my compressor does not catch it, but it never felt a diffrence from flat basses unless it was a double bass or a cello. I read a lot of mixing note awhile ago and listened to a lot of diffrent music but I just could not find a diffrence.
Maybe its just me
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Does the dynamics of a bass really matter on soft or agressive passages for most type of music.
I'm thimking no because it really low support making it sound full(very important) and having diffrent sounds For any type of bass type intrument is a plus, but for a solo peice for bass it could be very diffrent(like how hard you pluck,bow,pick,slap your bass)
So any thoughts?
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I kinda agree with Aphetica, and he is pretty much echoing what davidwallmann said on youtube.
The best way to thing ok some crazy new shit for a song,instrument and not forget by distraction or doing the same old crap progression,scale position,shred licks, and all that is to NOT play your instument.
then when you got your new Idea (best if some how recorded or written in notation for those who like notation) you can combine some stuff you usually play for some kick ass results!
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He was not asking for what headphones to buy guys :/
as aphetica said try Head-Fi, gearslutz, or even dubstepforum to find a plethora elite fags
In my opinion I like moniter way better then headphone because I can have a better feeling of what it will sound like on other speaker on headphones, but I dont like the fact (just as I do with headphones) that I have to play at louder vols to hear some stuff that I want to hear personally especially at night, plus for some moniter (if not most) you have to be in a room that has some acoustic absorbers to avoid sounds bouncing all over the place (or your in a small ass room like I am right not). Headphones for me are great for stuff like panning and all that and hearing the music in a more closer veiw but I dont like being near my pc to listen to the music especially when I wana kick back and watch youtube videos (ok thats alittle off topic).
I guess its all opinion to what sounds good to you, but better moniters mean more money out the pocket I believe.
Here is a list of moniters you could check out (some I pulled out from another post)
Dat Low end stuff
Event TR8.
KRK RP5/RP6/RP8 series.
Tapco S5/S8s.
Behringer B2030/B2031 series.
In The Middle
Mackie HR624/HR824 (MKI or MKII)
Adam A7
Dat Top end Shit yo
Genelec
and im will go no further because I'v seen moniter hit around $9k
As for headphones I hear good things AKGs, Sony , Sennheiser etc...
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http://soundcloud.com/aires/guitar-licks
its slopy because its a quick recording of guitar licks, nothing serious
But i'll prob re-record it since its really odd sounding, but it will prob sound the same since I cant do any of the stuff (but picks fast) on my current set up
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I dont know... (electro house)
in Post Your Original Music!
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I dont not use massive alot, I use sylenth 1 and fm8 more often, but in this song I used massive for one sound because I did not want to patch something in fm8 and route LFO
the bass sound saw was with sylenth1 and the wobble lead was massive