Legion Kreinak Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/7db4/ I was wondering if this controller is any good. I'm guessing it's not, due to the price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OverCoat Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 All you need to know: http://soundtempest.net/soc/imgswf/Wok%20'n'%20Woll.swf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legion Kreinak Posted February 20, 2007 Author Share Posted February 20, 2007 All you need to know: http://soundtempest.net/soc/imgswf/Wok%20'n'%20Woll.swf So that's a yes, it's good? Just seems so cheap. I'm surprised it's only $45. Does it work like any other MIDI controller, basically? It looks like it's working as a keyboard there, not a MIDI controller. I don't see him hooked to a PC or anything. I know I was looking at the Keystation 88 Pro awhile back when I joined here, but that's $400 or so. The original reason for that was because I wanted all 88 to be able to hit all octaves at once. Now I'm starting to think you rarely need to scale all the way up and down octaves like that so quickly. Am I correct in thinking that? Sorry for the million questions, I just want to get this all right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OverCoat Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 Actually, if you're looking around the $45 range, there are some older keyboards [like, early '90s] which have at least 61 keys, pitch/mod wheels and velocity sensitivity. What I really want myself is a smaller keyboard plus octave switcher key. I have a 61 key Kawai keyboard as my controller right now and I always keep wishing it went lower than C3 If you're looking for 88 keys though, why are you looking at the Prodikeys? Look for full keyboards. Or are you really sure what you need? You do need a midi controller, but there are a lot of different types. What are you looking for in one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zircon Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 If you want a *good* MIDI controller, get a dedicated one. Edirol, M-Audio, and Novation are good brands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legion Kreinak Posted February 21, 2007 Author Share Posted February 21, 2007 If you want a *good* MIDI controller, get a dedicated one. Edirol, M-Audio, and Novation are good brands. What do you mean by "dedicated"? I'm not necessarily looking to get the Prodikeys. My friend knows I was looking into controllers, saw it, and figured he'd show me. It seemed cool, and cheap, so I asked around here. If it's common for people to switch to the highest and lowest octaves, then I'll probably want that. As I said, originally I was looking at this: http://www.zzounds.com/item--MDOKEYSTAT88 If I got that (the Keystation 88 Pro), would I be missing out on anything for not getting a more expensive board? I mean, that one has full key, tons of knobs and sliders, is velocity sensitive, and a bunch of other features. What do those $1,000+ keyboards have that this one does not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Pezman Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.aspx?ObjectId=277 This discussion is over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zircon Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 What do you mean by "dedicated"?I'm not necessarily looking to get the Prodikeys. My friend knows I was looking into controllers, saw it, and figured he'd show me. It seemed cool, and cheap, so I asked around here. Fair enough, I just meant generally speaking if you want a MIDI controller... to get a "real" one. I don't consider the Prodikeys to be a real controller. If it's common for people to switch to the highest and lowest octaves, then I'll probably want that. As I said, originally I was looking at this: http://www.zzounds.com/item--MDOKEYSTAT88If I got that (the Keystation 88 Pro), would I be missing out on anything for not getting a more expensive board? I mean, that one has full key, tons of knobs and sliders, is velocity sensitive, and a bunch of other features. What do those $1,000+ keyboards have that this one does not? A few things. First of all, even full range, weighted MIDI controllers sit in the $400-$600 range. I don't think I've seen any for $1,000. The stuff in that range includes *synthesizers* and workstations, not MIDI controllers which are solely dedicated to sending MIDI data. A synthesizer or workstation has a lot more going on internally. That said, generally speaking, the more you pay, the better quality builds you will find - more accurate simulation of the feel of a real piano for example. Personally I don't think 88 keys is worth it. I thought it would be useful when I got my Keystation Pro 88, but I was wrong. I rarely use the full 88. At most, 76. I could have probably done fine with 61, and a lot less knobs + sliders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legion Kreinak Posted February 21, 2007 Author Share Posted February 21, 2007 Fair enough, I just meant generally speaking if you want a MIDI controller... to get a "real" one. I don't consider the Prodikeys to be a real controller. A few things. First of all, even full range, weighted MIDI controllers sit in the $400-$600 range. I don't think I've seen any for $1,000. The stuff in that range includes *synthesizers* and workstations, not MIDI controllers which are solely dedicated to sending MIDI data. A synthesizer or workstation has a lot more going on internally. That said, generally speaking, the more you pay, the better quality builds you will find - more accurate simulation of the feel of a real piano for example. Personally I don't think 88 keys is worth it. I thought it would be useful when I got my Keystation Pro 88, but I was wrong. I rarely use the full 88. At most, 76. I could have probably done fine with 61, and a lot less knobs + sliders. Yeah, see, I'm afraid I'll need to use 88 keys, but I don't know much about this, which is why I'm asking. What would you recommend that's a quality buy, with 61 keys, then? I mean, provided it's cheaper than the Keystation 88. If it's around the same, I might as well have the extra keys just in case, right? Also, how do you feel about your Keystation? Very good piece? Not so good? A little review would be helpful. And finally, would you mind elaborating on what else is going on internally in the workstations? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zircon Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 Yeah, see, I'm afraid I'll need to use 88 keys, but I don't know much about this, which is why I'm asking. What would you recommend that's a quality buy, with 61 keys, then? I mean, provided it's cheaper than the Keystation 88. If it's around the same, I might as well have the extra keys just in case, right? The M-Audio Axiom 61 is quite good, and yes, it is cheaper than the Keystation Pro 88. If you use Froogle you will find that lots of 61 key controllers are cheaper. Also, how do you feel about your Keystation? Very good piece? Not so good? A little review would be helpful. In terms of action, it feels good. It is not like a real piano, but is SIGNIFICANTLY better than my previous controller, an Edirol PCR-30 that was not weighted. I use it with an M-Audio SP2 Sustain Pedal (I believe that's the model) - playing "real" pieces feels pretty natural. However it is very large, and heavy. I also don't need all the knobs, buttons, and faders. But in terms of functioning as a controller, it is great, and you won't find anything else as good for $400. And finally, would you mind elaborating on what else is going on internally in the workstations? Well, a workstation does MIDI in and out, sure. But it also has a TON of other features. Synthesis, audio editing/recording, sampling, sample mapping + playback, banks upon banks of sounds... they're totally different beasts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zylance Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.aspx?ObjectId=277This discussion is over. Nooo.... http://www.roland.com/products/en/FR-7/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OverCoat Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 And finally, would you mind elaborating on what else is going on internally in the workstations? Workstations are meant to be the only thing you need to write a song. On a full workstation keyboard you'll find synthesis, a sample bank, and/or a sequencer of varying elaboration. Something you can write entire songs on. Some examples: That thing Usa has, the Yamaha Tyros-2 [omg, pretty lights!], or a few of the hundreds of versions of Korg Tritons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OverCoat Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 God, those V-Accordions are a fucking ripoff. I'm looking on Froogle and seeing $3000 or so. My accordion is nice-looking, plays well, has a good range of tones, and was only $400. Of course, there's no midi outs, but that's why you get a midi keyboard for $50. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legion Kreinak Posted February 21, 2007 Author Share Posted February 21, 2007 The M-Audio Axiom 61 is quite good, and yes, it is cheaper than the Keystation Pro 88. If you use Froogle you will find that lots of 61 key controllers are cheaper.In terms of action, it feels good. It is not like a real piano, but is SIGNIFICANTLY better than my previous controller, an Edirol PCR-30 that was not weighted. I use it with an M-Audio SP2 Sustain Pedal (I believe that's the model) - playing "real" pieces feels pretty natural. However it is very large, and heavy. I also don't need all the knobs, buttons, and faders. But in terms of functioning as a controller, it is great, and you won't find anything else as good for $400. Does the Axiom allow one to switch octaves, to get the full range, if needed? It's $100 less, so that's nice. I guess it'll be between that and the Keystation Pro 88. For $100 I get an extra 17 keys, extra knobs/sliders, and that's it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Pezman Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 In all seriousness I would suggest the keytar. It's got enough keys that you can set it down and play it traditionally, it's not much more expensive than the other controllers being detailed here, it's (by its nature) extremely light and portable, and when it comes time to play a live show... HOT DAMN! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legion Kreinak Posted February 21, 2007 Author Share Posted February 21, 2007 In all seriousness I would suggest the keytar. It's got enough keys that you can set it down and play it traditionally, it's not much more expensive than the other controllers being detailed here, it's (by its nature) extremely light and portable, and when it comes time to play a live show...HOT DAMN! I don't play live shows, and that doesn't appeal to me. Thanks, but not my thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanthos Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 Does the Axiom allow one to switch octaves, to get the full range, if needed?It's $100 less, so that's nice. I guess it'll be between that and the Keystation Pro 88. For $100 I get an extra 17 keys, extra knobs/sliders, and that's it? I've got an Axiom 61 and love it. No, it doesn't feel like a piano, but it's got semi-weighted keys (as opposed to unweighted keys), and and it didn't take me long to adjust to playing it. Yes, there are octave switches near the mod wheel, but keep in mind that even if you choose to get a controller that doesn't have an octave switch function, you can always transpose the notes in your sequencer. There are probably more knobs and faders than you'll want, but unless it makes a big difference in cost, it's better to have a too much than too little. I recommend it highly as a good compromise between affordability and quality. Just so you know though, it's strictly a controller. Don't expect to use it to play live without bringing a computer or an actual keyboard/synthesizer with you (you could set the Axiom's MIDI out to the MIDI in on a keyboard or synth that actually creates sound, and use the Axiom to control the other keyboard). The Axiom and any other MIDI controller will only produce MIDI data, not audio data. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legion Kreinak Posted February 21, 2007 Author Share Posted February 21, 2007 Alright, they both sound good. I'll try them out at a music store one day soon, and see what I like more. I finally realized how to record live in FL. It's kind've odd. I have to keep up with the cursor to place beats where I want, because you need to set the tempo beforehand. I was hoping I just could play the keys, and whatever speed I went, the beat would be recorded at. Is there a way to do that? You know, play and have it take down YOUR tempo, not a preset one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanthos Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 Not really. I mean, you can turn off the metronome and play at your own pace, ignoring the tempo you set in FL Studio, but if you plan on using more than one instrument, it'll be hard to sync them all. Of course, if you're doing something like a solo piano piece, you'll want to use FL Studio just as a way to record the piece and clean up the notes and maybe add some effects like a little bit of reverb, so the tempo setting doesn't matter. Assuming you're working with more than one instrument, the only point I can see of recording while ignoring the set tempo is to either do tempo changes or other tempo effects like rubato. In both cases, you'll be better off by recording at a steady pace and using FL Studio's event editor to manually adjust the tempo (gradually for rubato, an immediate switch for a hard tempo change) than by trying to play it in like that. EDIT: Oh, I figured you might also be saying, "Why do I have to record at the playback tempo". Well, lower the tempo when you're recording, and bump it back up for playback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suzumebachi Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 I have a 61 key midi controller, and in all honesty, I wish it were larger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legion Kreinak Posted February 22, 2007 Author Share Posted February 22, 2007 I have a 61 key midi controller, and in all honesty, I wish it were larger. Why? What else does it need? What's the issue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synth Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 As a piano player I also want a full. But even if I wasnt I would still want a full. I may not use those lower/higer notes that often, but I still want the ability to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zircon Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 Trust me, it's really not worth it. I AM a piano player, I spend hours a day writing all kinds of music, and I've had this 88-key controller for months now. I have yet to encounter a case where I've needed all the keys. Unless you are going to be recording entire performances of classical material that take advantage of the full range you don't need 88 keys. EVEN the wide-range keyswitch and performance patches I use in Kontakt 2 use 4 or maybe 5 octaves. NOT the whole thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanthos Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 It all depends on your use. If you want it for recording and also for playing classical or jazz music and you're proficient enough at either of those styles to be playing pieces that have a large range, then yes, an 88-key will be necessary. If all you're doing is recording, if you don't need the range, or if you can work out a piano piece to the point where you may have to hit the octave shift once or twice to be able to perform it as intended, then a 61 will do. I wouldn't get less than 61 though unless you're a horrible pianist and only want a MIDI controller for stepwise recording or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legion Kreinak Posted February 23, 2007 Author Share Posted February 23, 2007 You guys convinced me - 61-key it is. I can't see myself using a full 88-key that often. I just want it for step editting, basically. When you guys use MIDI controllers in FL, do you use live recording mode, or step editting? When I do step editting with a keyboard, since they're velocity sensitive, does that mean if I tap the key lightly, it will automatically make the volume for that sound low? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.