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    FM Synthesis (FM8)

    in Music Composition & Production

    Posted

    It's indeed pretty confusing. I'd advise you to look at existing presets and play with them a bit to see how they really work. On my experience it seems there's a lot of trial and error involved in the synthesis process... Like when figuring out how much feedback to send from one source to another, you just have to experiment!

    You can also watch some YouTube tutorials that make patches. They can help you get ideas for your FM synthesis. I found this one where they make a pad for example:

     

    OCR monetizing mixes on YouTube

    in General Discussion

    Posted

    9 minutes ago, Neifion said:

    I meant the organization. The organization that is OCR. Not you personally. OCR. The organization. Got it?

    And great, I know OCR has done a lot to make remixes more visible. I do not deny that at all. I applaud you OCR for it. It's why I came here and stuck around thus far.

    But that doesn't negate the fact that OCR is making money off of other people's work. Other people's work that, without it, would mean zero content on your site and zero revenue. If OCR is not making revenue, fine. Don't pay the artist. But OCR is. So pay the artists for their work, because without their work, OCR wouldn't have that video to monetize (or the quality content that brought you attention and visibility in the first place).

    Let me put it another way: why do you not want to share revenue with the artists? Why do you think the artists should receive zero revenue from the work they created, by which if they hadn't you would be receiving zero revenue yourself, and you should receive 100% of it?

    OCR is giving every remixer a platform to share their remixes with VGM fans and for that it needs money. As far as I know all the money that OCR gets is invested back into OCR so no one is "winning" money here. There are no profits to be shared here. Also, it'd be even more dangerous, legally speaking, if money goes to the remixers I feel, since OCR (the organization) can justify the earnings by being a non-profit organization and bla bla bla.

    In the end, a relevant question is: why do you submit your remixes to OCReMix? I personally do it because I want to share my remixes and OCR lets me do that. OCR lets you build an audience that you'd probably not build without OCR. Then, if you earn your audience, you can try to earn money, preferably with original content that doesn't involve the legal issues that remixes do.

    OCR monetizing mixes on YouTube

    in General Discussion

    Posted

    3 minutes ago, Chimpazilla said:

    I think the difference between the old way (site ads) and the new way (youtube ads) is that now OCR is making revenue off of specific, identifiable remixes, instead of just "remixes in general."  I think it should be ok, with a couple of caveats:

    1. We should update the remix agreement to include specific language about the fact that the remix videos on youtube are monetized, with the funds going to OCR and not to either the remixer or the original artist(s)

    2. We should make sure that none of the original artists (Nintendo, Square Enix, etc.) would have any viable claim against OCR making money from their original work

    3. We should do some budget projections to see if making money in this way is even worth the possibility of pissing off ReMixers, viewers, and potentially original artists.

    This is the point I was trying to make with my posts. You explained it clearly here!

    I think it's necessary to explain it on the submissions website, especially for new users that may feel bothered by their remixes "making" money directly.

    OCR monetizing mixes on YouTube

    in General Discussion

    Posted

    22 minutes ago, Sir_NutS said:

    Well, my point is that Perception certainly isn't reality, hence the !=. Sorry, programmer's habit.

    As you've said, the appeal of the website are the remixes.  But I'll go further and say that the whole point of OCR are the remixes.  OCR is just a vehicle for distribution.  The vehicle itself doesn't generate traffic and hence ad money, the product, aka remixes, are the traffic and money generators, excluding the ever-decreasing forum-visiting crowd.  Remixes ARE the source of money for OCR.  If the vehicle is changing over time it's ridiculous to imply that it shouldn't change because I perceive that remixes aren't the traffic generators when it's stupidly obvious that they are.  Literally nothing in the revenue model will change but the place where the ad distribution will come from.  Saying that oh, I don't agree with you making money of the mixes I willingly gave to the site and have been generating money since ocr implemented ads because I don't want my remixes generating money is just... incredibly silly.

    I don't appreciate your tone.

    Either way, I'm pointing out that the site and YouTube are very different. In YouTube you can directly point revenue to users, in ocr.org you can't. This can (and is) bother people so you shouldn't brush it off just because you feel it's illogical. If people stop supporting OCR because of this you can't just say "perception != reality" and expect everyone to come back.

    I should still clarify, because there are people talking about making money, that I've never intended to make money of my few submitted remixes. I, however, think it's an interesting discussion to have. OCR as a site needs money to survive but it also needs a community that generates content. You can't anger one just to get the other.

    OCR monetizing mixes on YouTube

    in General Discussion

    Posted

    24 minutes ago, Sir_NutS said:

    This is the problem, which I mentioned before about Perception != Reality.  Regardless of what you feel, which is subjective indeed, the reality is that your work, the remixes, are what generates ocr traffic and in turn money.  Not the forums or the website itself, as those have diminished in use and relevance with the advent of social media.  I don't have the figures of course, but given forum activity I would be VERY surprised if forum activity by itself, which can be considered not related to remixes, outweights social media/youtube/soundcloud views/plays.  Whether you like it or not, or you feel like it's different or not, the reality is that what generates ocr money are the remixes, and always have.  The website used to be a vehicle for that just as how youtube and social media are the vehicles now.  Remixes were the main generators of ad money because that is the product that people visit the site for.  Just as how Music for a radio station is the product and not the radio station itself.

    It is true that the appeal of the site are the remixes, denying so would be absurd. However, there are still key differences from how the YouTube approach works to how the website one does, both in perception and in how money is generated.

    First is that the website links everything as a community. The website isn't just the remixes and even each remix's page has much more than just the music. Each remix has a great write-up by djp, comments made by users in the thread forum, a direct link to the artists' OCR page (which in turn links to the artists' Twitter, YouTube or whatever info that appears), links to OCR's site for the game where the sources come from (which in turn link to the composers of the source material), OCR's site for the source (which links to other remixes of the same source) and maybe more that I'm missing. The YouTube video for each remix has the video which is music plus the same video for every remix and the video's description which is pretty much the same for every remix, indicating the artist, sources and many links to OCR social media.

    Second is that YouTube videos have views. Hence, there's a completely direct link between what each individual artist does and the money it generates. This distinction very clearly does not exist on the OCReMix website. When someone goes to www.ocremix.org you have no easy way of telling what the purpose of that person was. Unless you have access to Google Analytics you have no idea which remixes (or remixers) generate more traffic. And, even then, each remix's page has enough information and content that it's more than just the remix.

    Perception is clearly a big part of why some people feel uncomfortable with this but you can't simply say Perception != Reality because they are not the same, regardless of how much you try to reduce it.

    EDIT: Also, just in case, this isn't about me being bothered by OCR making money instead of me or anything like that. I don't make remixes for money and like supporting the site. I'm just trying to point out why this model could generate issues for users.

    OCR monetizing mixes on YouTube

    in General Discussion

    Posted

    I think what makes website ads different from YouTube ads is that the YouTube ones are directly linked to the artist and not much else. The only relevant part of OCReMix's YouTube uploads is the remix, which links the money directly to the artists. When the ad is on the website, it's harder to link the money to the artists and instead it feels like the money goes directly to the website.

    I don't have a defined opinion about this (and only have 1 posted remix haha) but I can see why it would bother some people since this way it feels like your work is directly generating money while it didn't feel that way before.

    Regarding the ads themselves, I recently listened to some of the newest remixes and didn't notice the ads. I probably had ad block though... Either way, if there are going to be ads in the videos, I feel they should be the ads that just show a message instead of those video ads that play before a video. The latter ones are obnoxious as hell.

    OC ReMix on Spotify?

    in Site Issues & Feedback

    Posted

    13 hours ago, Yogarine said:

    It's been stupid of me to not point this out specifically, but I never intended for _all_ of the OC Remix catalogue to be put on streaming services. Maybe some day, if possible, yes. But surely not initially. I was mostly considering the album projects. I mean, albums like Voices of the Lifestream would be pretty safe bets as they are easily licensed through, for example, Loudr (only one game per album for most of them), and from what I've seen Square Enix doesn't really make a big fuss about fan arrangements.

    No hate but this part made me lol.

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