nrich Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 what's with all of you claiming it's DEFINITELY big boss? i remember reading somewhere that it was another clone rather than big boss himself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global-Trance Posted May 28, 2009 Author Share Posted May 28, 2009 I actually hope that isn't the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleck Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 I think that being Gray Fox is grasping for straws. It's Raiden without a doubt. uh you know except for the stuff I said it's pretty simple to come to the conclusion that it isn't raiden when you realize that it doesn't look like raiden what's with all of you claiming it's DEFINITELY big boss? i remember reading somewhere that it was another clone rather than big boss himself a secret fourth clone that didn't exist until now!!!! that makes much more sense!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global-Trance Posted May 28, 2009 Author Share Posted May 28, 2009 Raiden had blue eyes from start to finish. This other guy has brown eyes. The possibility of brown contacts or something is stupid or so help me God. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpanishFly Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 Another clone of Big Boss that isn't Solidus, Liquid, or Solid? What're they gonna call him? "Vapour Snake"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt E. Waldman Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 Aw, darn, I was hoping for Metal Gear Solid 5: Retirement Home of The Patriots. But still, I'm so glad it doesn't continue on from MGS4. I loved that game, but it was just so ridiculous in plot. I actually like how this is going to cover the backstories of Raiden and Big Boss(from what it looks like). Can't wait to hear more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiyosuki Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 uh you know except for the stuff I saidit's pretty simple to come to the conclusion that it isn't raiden when you realize that it doesn't look like raiden a secret fourth clone that didn't exist until now!!!! that makes much more sense!!!!!!!! I read everything you said, I just don't really believe it personally. I dunno it looks like Raiden to me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yawret Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 Am I the only one who makes a Raiden and Solidus connection? Could be pre-cyborg Raiden, but just to throw people of Kojima put that picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malaki-LEGEND.sys Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 Another clone of Big Boss that isn't Solidus, Liquid, or Solid? What're they gonna call him? "Vapour Snake"? Plasma Snake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenPi Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 Plasma Snake. Damn it, thats exactly what I was gonna say I for one am hoping for gray fox + big boss. IF thats the case, maybe it takes place after Metal Gear 2? I cant remember the "story line" very well right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Native Jovian Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 I cant remember the "story line" very well right now. That's because the Metal Gear Solid timeline is a clusterfuck of epic proportions. Anyone who actually claims to understand it has either spent a significant portion of their life wrapping their head around the insanity, or is lying. Or did you just mean the storyline of Metal Gear 2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenPi Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 That's because the Metal Gear Solid timeline is a clusterfuck of epic proportions. Anyone who actually claims to understand it has either spent a significant portion of their life wrapping their head around the insanity, or is lying.Or did you just mean the storyline of Metal Gear 2? I moreso meant the story line from Metal Gear 1 to Metal Gear Solid, since Ive never played those games so im not sure exactly when gray fox turns all cyborg and shizz. And I assume Big boss is still alive after metal gear 2, so this is why my theory places the game after metal gear 2 but before metal gear solid. Either way I put story line in quotes because of the exact reason you stated lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malaki-LEGEND.sys Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 The plot isn't THAT hard to follow, at least timeline-wise. Patriots are formed sometime during the early 20th century(or maybe before that, I forget). The Boss and her Cobra Team help the allies(specifically the U.S.) dominate the second World War. Jack(Big Boss) is born around the 30's, and shortly after WWII, begins training under The Boss. EVA is born in China and is raised and trained to be an agent of the communist government of said country. ADAM(Revolver ocelot) is born somewhere in the U.S and later joins some kind of special forces unit under command of the President. The Events of Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater begin. The Boss "defects" to the soviet union after The Virtuous Mission goes sour. Some time passes Operation "Snake Eater" begins, Snake meets EVA who is disguised as a U.S. sleeper agent, and runs into Ocelot, all the while unaware that he is working as ADAM under orders of the U.S. President. The Boss' true role is revealed as the events of Snake Eater end. Snake is now "Big Boss" *Shit happens in Portable Ops*(didn't play it) The "L'enfant Terible" project begins, Solid, Liquid, and Solidus(and Plasma ) are "born": Begin military training shortly there after. The events of Metal Gear occurs, Snake kills Big Boss and finds out that he's his "father". Mass drinking ensues. *Shit happens in Metal Gear 2* Uh... I'm tired of writing, but everything else is pretty much straightforward, although I never got to play MGS4, so I have no idea what kind of clusterfuck they've added to the series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Native Jovian Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 The plot isn't THAT hard to follow, at least timeline-wise. True. In the gross "stuff happens at this point" sense, it's not all that bad. But in the sense of who's working for who when, why, and knowingly or not, whether they're a double (or triple, or in at least one case quadruple) agent, what they're trying to do at the time, whether that's just a screen for something else, what actually happens as a result, etc etc etc, it's a nightmare. Everything is covered in at least four layers of bullshit at all times, and digging through it is enough to drive strong men mad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleck Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 I read everything you said, I just don't really believe it personally. that is because you are an idiot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleck Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 Am I the only one who makes a Raiden and Solidus connection? a) solidus doesn't get his eyepatch until halfway through mgs2 solidus loses the other eye c) solidus dies before raiden even becomes a cyborg ninja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiyosuki Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 Actually when you filter out the extra meat, MGS' story isn't that hard. -Some guy who becomes the best soldier ever, gets a crapload of money from the remains of conspiracy 1 and forms conspiracy 2 with his buddies(best soldier ever's friend, best soldier ever's ho, best soldier ever's #1 fan, movie geek, and black guy. The last two die and don't matter), inspired by best soldier ever's master. -The best soldier ever gets into a fight with one of his buddies because best soldier ever's best bud cloned him behind his back. They split conspiracy 2 into a secret war. -They fight a lot, shit happens, best soldier ever's friend gets old and sulks by replacing conspiracy 2 with conspiracy 3, run by computers. Best soldier ever starts his own country to oppose them, but best soldier ever clone 1 beats him. Then years later, best soldier ever clone 1 beats him for good with a can of deodorant and a lighter. -best soldier ever clone 1 does a bunch of stuff with conspiracy 3 looming above, kills best soldier ever clone 2, and helps traumatized child soldier kill best soldier ever clone 3. He becomes famous, but then he gets old fast because he's a clone and no one cares about him anymore...worshipping real best soldier ever instead. -traumatized child soldier and best soldier ever's ho fight conspiracy 3 because conspiracy 3 wants to control the human race like computers, while best soldier ever's number #1 fan pretends to be best soldier ever 2 in order to do the same thing...but not together...because he's cool like that and thinks he's best soldier ever clone 2. Best soldier ever clone 1 goes and kills best soldier ever's number #1 fan, but it's part of best soldier ever's #1 fan's plan and conspiracy 3 is destroyed. -best soldier ever clone 1 meets best soldier ever after many years and say sorry to eachother. best soldier ever dies, and best soldier ever clone 1 smokes a cigar cause he has a few months to live, that he'll probably spend wondering what the hell just happened. -There's giant robots mixed in there somewhere. And they all lived happily ever after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petara Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 Actually when you filter out the extra meat, MGS' story isn't that hard.-Some guy who becomes the best soldier ever, gets a crapload of money from the remains of conspiracy 1 and forms conspiracy 2 with his buddies(best soldier ever's friend, best soldier ever's ho, best soldier ever's #1 fan, movie geek, and black guy. The last two die and don't matter), inspired by best soldier ever's master. -The best soldier ever gets into a fight with one of his buddies because best soldier ever's best bud cloned him behind his back. They split conspiracy 2 into a secret war. -They fight a lot, shit happens, best soldier ever's friend gets old and sulks by replacing conspiracy 2 with conspiracy 3, run by computers. Best soldier ever starts his own country to oppose them, but best soldier ever clone 1 beats him. Then years later, best soldier ever clone 1 beats him for good with a can of deodorant and a lighter. -best soldier ever clone 1 does a bunch of stuff with conspiracy 3 looming above, kills best soldier ever clone 2, and helps traumatized child soldier kill best soldier ever clone 3. He becomes famous, but then he gets old fast because he's a clone and no one cares about him anymore...worshipping real best soldier ever instead. -traumatized child soldier and best soldier ever's ho fight conspiracy 3 because conspiracy 3 wants to control the human race like computers, while best soldier ever's number #1 fan pretends to be best soldier ever 2 in order to do the same thing...but not together...because he's cool like that and thinks he's best soldier ever clone 2. Best soldier ever clone 1 goes and kills best soldier ever's number #1 fan, but it's part of best soldier ever's #1 fan's plan and conspiracy 3 is destroyed. -best soldier ever clone 1 meets best soldier ever after many years and say sorry to eachother. best soldier ever dies, and best soldier ever clone 1 smokes a cigar cause he has a few months to live, that he'll probably spend wondering what the hell just happened. -There's giant robots mixed in there somewhere. And they all lived happily ever after. Hah! nice summary, but i think you missed at least 2 other conspiracies... or maybe some folks just look into it a bit too far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global-Trance Posted May 29, 2009 Author Share Posted May 29, 2009 Pssst. Kojima Productions logo in the bottom right turns into something else if you hover over it for awhile. Click on it when it completely changes for... something else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global-Trance Posted May 29, 2009 Author Share Posted May 29, 2009 Pssst. Kojima Productions logo in the bottom right turns into something else if you hover over it for awhile. Click on it when it completely changes for... something else. If you're lazy: http://www.konami.jp/kojima_pro/mask/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenPi Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 ahhh.. im scared... why does it need my birthday .. whats there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiyosuki Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 I looked at the thing for almost 5 minutes and nothing happened, so I was a bit confused about why it needed to know my age too. Maybe it'll become something eventually. Plus it's official. Still looks mostly like Raiden to me but there are some differences...plus the eye color. I dunno, it could be just pointless cosmetic changes but I'll just call him maybe-Raiden till we hear more. Edit: I keep hearing the crazy, crazy speculation from people that maybe it's Sunny. Not saying I believe that or not...but it's a popular rumor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleck Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Still looks mostly like Raiden to me but there are some differences...plus the eye color. DIFFERENT HAIR COLOUR DIFFERENT EYE COLOUR DIFFERENT CYBORG SUIT RAIDEN DOES NOT HAVE SCREWS IN HIS FOREHEAD RAIDEN DOES NOT HAVE A BARCODE TATTOOED ON HIS FOREHEAD RAIDEN IS NOT MISSING AN EYE it is PRETTY OBVIOUS THAT IT IS NOT RAIDEN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global-Trance Posted May 29, 2009 Author Share Posted May 29, 2009 Hey guys guess who lost their left eye in a battle with REX? (Though if this is after MGS1, I don't know how he can become unsquished. Most likely this is pre-MGS1 so something is still up with that eye) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiyosuki Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 DIFFERENT HAIR COLOUR DIFFERENT EYE COLOUR DIFFERENT CYBORG SUIT RAIDEN DOES NOT HAVE SCREWS IN HIS FOREHEAD RAIDEN DOES NOT HAVE A BARCODE TATTOOED ON HIS FOREHEAD RAIDEN IS NOT MISSING AN EYE it is PRETTY OBVIOUS THAT IT IS NOT RAIDEN Does every single post from you have to look like you're jumping up and down? I never said it was Raiden for sure, just that it mostly does look like him. He does have the same hair, similar face, and it looks like the same cyborg suit with minor differences. I mean...I guess it could be Frank for all anyone knows, but I don't remember Gray Fox looking quite that feminine either, especially by his cyborg days. But...I'm still not saying it's Raiden for sure because the barcode is there, and of course the eye. I have one crazy shot in the dark...what if it's Raiden's body but someone else' mind? Like Frank for instance? I mean he's mostly machine now so that's not as far fetched as some other stuff this series has pulled. The eye bandage could always be something more metaphorical, Kojima loves that stuff. There's also the very real possibility that Kojima just had the eye colored brown to mess with us for no reason. Also these letters/numbers appear now. R E 5(could always be S too) P R C 6 O(or it could be 0) 3 For what it's worth. You know you can spell out PS3, or 360 so maybe it'll be multi platform this time. I dunno. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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