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Wow! THANKS! Now I know what to do! I rolled off higher frequencies from the Bass, I added mid high for the piano gave mid/low stuff to the harp and really high for the Sine Wave. This is just my EQ test, I still have the file without the EQ'ing but see if this version solves any problems. http://neblixsaber.googlepages.com/ReMixEQTest.mp3 Edit: Never mind Shariq said it sounded muffled. Any other suggestions besides EQ'ing? Here's my original version: http://neblixsaber.googlepages.com/RainDancingAtTheSpiritTemple.mp3

Yes but in FL if I do something to one instrument it does that effect for the whole song I can't make it happen for one specific moment. And I don't know how to play with EQ effects.

??? Do you mean like make highs louder or softer? And I compose in patterns I'm not sure if those are the same things as tracks.

DX Didn't I just say I don't know how to EQ? How can I experiment with something I don't know how to do?

You're right, I don't like it. How can I EQ something if I don't know how? You're treating me like I know how to do everything. Dx I'm flattered but you need to explain more because I never learned this stuff. I started out in FruityLoops with almost zero knowledge of how to make stuff. Shariq told me how to choose an instrument, how to write patterns, how to add delay and reverb and the basics of making a song... but he never mentioned all this EQ'ing and all this other complicated stuff. And the mechanical stuff... I don't understand how I can fix a problem that seems fixed (I looked at my velocities over and over they should have significant difference to not sound mechanical to you.) As for the bass I just fixed the problem. Compression on the lead? Dunno what you're talking about, it's got Reverb and that's all it has. See I don't have a good ear for this stuff like you do... This isn't my first remix, but it is the first where I've been trying to learn very hard. See my problem isn't arrangement, it's production. I suck at production, that's just my weakspot. See if this updated version still has some of those problems. http://neblixsaber.googlepages.com/RainDancingAtTheSpiritTemple.mp3

"If"? You mean when. XD Gario, it sounded fine to me when Rozo said it was mechanical. I can't really tell the difference unless there's a drastic difference. I use FL which uses thin bars for velocity instead of numbers. So if you looked in the program you wouldn't see exact numbers (if I could use numbers that would be SO much easier) but instead I have to attend to each little bar for every little note down to the 32nd (I use 32nd notes to give my harp a plucky sound, a little trick I learned from Darkesword) UPDATE: Is that what you mean by more punch? (I made the drums a little louder and varied the frequencies a bit more) I thought it was fine before, in fact with a song with a high piano in the lead it would be unbalanced with too much attention on the drums and not enough on the lead. UPDATE 3: http://neblixsaber.googlepages.com/R...iritTemple.mp3 I made some edits on my sounds to make em sound less dry. And I gave them more variety in octaves (a very low harp, a low bass, a very high Sine wave, and a medium/high Piano).

Well I'm not sure what he means but there is ONE thing I am sure of. In the beginning with that snare drum roll... it's kinda... I dunno, it doesn't fit the other parts of the song.

Pffft. That's BLASPHEMY... IT"S MADNESS!!!

My brother who doesn't have a PSP of his own wanted that deal and then he was like " nah I won't" ... And then a few days after the deal was over he was like "Man I wish i got that PSP" Mine's a 3000 it was in a Ratchet and Clank bundle pack I played Crisis Core for a while and then put the system down for a few months. I got a new memory stick and bought Final Fantasy VII (PS1 Classic) next to Ocarina of Time it's the greatest game I've ever played.

YES! Almost OCR Material!!! Am I like the youngest to get a remix posted up here? (Another question: Am I the youngest remixer here?!") I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. I looked at EVERY SINGLE NOTE VELOCITY. No single ones are the same!!! I can't hear why it sounds mechanical (maybe it's just my ears) Gario if you have FruityLoops can you help me with the velocities? I don't see how asking you to help me fix my PRODUCTION makes it a remix by committee so I suppose it's okay if you do. (It's just a velocity problem, it's not like you're changing the arrangement or notes or anything) But listen to my new version beforehand if you decide to help me, because I think I just fixed the problem. And thanks, but I'll still stick with that philosophy. See, the way I work is like a farmer with a fruit cart going up a mountain. I simply speed up the mountain (get my arrangement solid) then I go back to get the watermelons that dropped (the big mistakes like wrong notes or bad harmony) then the pineapples (the smaller mistakes) and then I simply go from bottom to top, picking up one specific fruit (working on one particular type of mistake) that gets smaller and smaller respectively. Then when I'm done, I wash the fruits (make sure my production and velocities are good). As for the name... I'll stick with Slippery Spirits for now and then my final submission will be called "Rain Dancing at The Spirit Temple" As for the melody... the song isn't "The Serenade of Water" and "Requiem of Spirit"... It's Rain Dancing at The Spirit Temple. The first two measures of the opening IS the melody. What you witness in the other parts of the song is a different approach to that single melody. First you hear the " Serenade" part of the melody then the feel changes to the "Requiem" part of the melody... next you hear the actual melody in it's most basic form, with the "Requiem" part repeating with adding instruments until a harmony transition into the main melody repeated over fading away with their respective drumlines basslines and counter melodies. Don't think of it as two songs, think of it as one song in which its halves of the melody each have their own approach. They then combine into the opening pattern once more, with the slow drums flowing in. They repeat and the drums, content with their new pattern, quicken their pace and the Serenade's counter melody kicks in (the little bell going up and down from D through D hitting all the naturals). They all are happy with each other to the point (at 2:48 ) where they show each other their true halves and then they seem like two different songs mixing with each other. To me, Music is like a story of sound. "If you could bring up the volume overall (without clipping, of course), that would be great, and bringing out the melodies would help the music, too." ... In the words of Luke Skywalker "You want the impossible..." The master volume of my mix is 50% anything higher clips a lot. If you really have that much of a problem with the master volume just turn up your speakers. Considering that I've checked all my velocities (it does not sound mechanical) and my arrangement is pretty solid (IMO) I'm considering submitting it to OCR soon (soon as in within this and next week)

My brother (Darkesword) actually told me the drums were a bit too loud so I toned em down. And the lead instruments were screeching a bit I know. The main melody in the beginning is not so random anymore. I'll fix the screechy frequencies later (I use a very high Rhodes piano and a Sine Wave so the Sine Wave is def the cause of the screechy problem) I think I know how to fix the problem that you didn't like with the lead frequencies. Maybe I should tone down the overall velocities of the Sine Wave to get rid of unnecessary screeching. I don't really care about production until my arrangement is solid.

Really? I think all that stuff sounds fine. If more people say otherwise, I'll consider looking at it. No offense, Rozo, but what I say before I change something is "You're one out of how many?" Don't take it the wrong way, I've just never been addressed about those problems before. Thanks for listening, anyway. Every criticism is a step closer to OCR material. And uhm... if you want to here the source more is kind of subjective... I can't cater to everyone's wants. Sorry.

You're kinda late, Psychol0gist. xD I've already decided that it isn't going to be jazz. Besides, my brother once told me "Genre Classification is stupid. It's just a piece of Music." Anyways, if it doesn't take up your time I'd like for you to put in your comments about the ReMix. http://neblixsaber.googlepages.com/RainDancingAtTheSpiritTemple.mp3 EDIT: If I have given you a broken link then use the one above this one works. I've been thinking about the title... How do you guys like "Rain Dancing at the Spirit Temple"?

UPDATE 2: Arrangement changed. Velocity problems fixed (mostly) http://neblixsaber.googlepages.com/RainDancingAtTheSpiritTemple.mp3

The first four measures of drums are a little too much... it was kinda repetitive before it got boring. And then it repeats itself. It's a great start but nothing's really happening. You should add more parts and instruments instead of simply drums that weird Bass thing and that Marimba (or whatever it is)

Well Darkesword is a judge if he says something doesn't fit the soundscape then it doesn't fit the soundscape. XD Neblixsa isn't a real genre, I have to put the information in the final mp3 (artist name genre etc) And even if my remix was the greatest of all time, it would get rejected just because of that title... XDDDD

DECISION FOR NAME: Spiritual Splash Ghost in the Fountain Stars of Ice or Slippery Superstition. Added a harp for the end stuff.

Oh that was stupid of me. My speakers are pretty crappy so I only use them when listening to stuff with bass in it... I was using my laptop speakers... Also, the samples you are using are bad quality... you should get better samples because those buildup transitions you use clip like insanely.

I personally don't like the sounds. It's NES synths and then a Marimba jumps in. And it's the same thing over and over, until you add the Underground theme, which was a nice touch.

If someone could please clear up these things that would be great: What would you suggest in place of the sax? What genre is this? And is it too short? And what should I call this remix (I plan on trying to get this on OCR WHEN it's finished) EDIT: I replaced the Sax with a creepy Sine Wave. It should sound more... UUUGHHH WHAT IS THIS GENRE IT'S ON THE TIP OF MY TONGUE??? EDIT 2: I fixed some velocity problems. I looked over every individual and I know that they aren't all the same velocities... I don't hear why you guys are saying they sound mechanical because when I wrote the patterns I specifically made each note unique... maybe the difference isn't as noticeable, should I increase the differences?

ALL RIIIIGHT!!! I just emailed my brother for some pointers and THANK YOU for this excellent advice! And about the instruments... it's not as interesting as you think. It's pianos, a sax, and a bass. I just got creative with the piano. See what I plan to do is remember in the beginning how the sax fades in? Yeah I'll keep it a piano it sounds kinda weird like that. And I think I'll make the sax fade into the rest of the song instead BAAAAAAHBAHBAAAAAAAHBAH over and over. And the repeating notes of that Piano (it's not a celesta it's really high piano) are actually something I like. Can you tell me any other parts that sound too mechanical? Whoooa I seriously just showed my age in this post. Jeez I haven't acted so excitedly childish for a looooong time. I fixed the sax and I kept the piano in the intro just to give you a little taste of power and theeeen... WHAM it sends you into powerful neblixsa music. But actually, DS just told me maybe I shouldn't use a sax... have any ideas on what else to use, Gario?

It's all right Jewbei, I already decided that this is no longer jazz. It's just me being free with my style (which is actually bad in most cases {^_^"} ) I updated it, a very big chunk of stuff added on, from the Requiem Of Spirit to an ending solo which starts as piano and fades to a sax with closing drum transition out! The solo is actually not that good, I couldn't think of anything a pianist would do with the notes of Serenade of Water so I did something random and then something looped and it went to a sax for the ending. And the production is pretty bad so far, I need to clean up some stuff and add a few finishing touches and I think it's good to go. (Like there's no transition between Serenade and Requiem it''s abrupt and bumpy. Also my sax sound is getting a little dry and exposed in some parts so I have to fix that) Edit: Most of these problems had a simple solution so I fixed em up. EDIT 2: I just placed the ending solo in the beginning and changed some stuff around. This is for people who like intros more than endings. Removed unnecessary repeats. Now this mix is dangerously close to the two minute short limit... You guys know I've received ZERO criticism... I've just been questioned at my claim of the genre of the song.

Uhm... no problem? ... Just don't come to me for everything, a little advice from EVERYONE is good. A novice like me isn't gonna help you onto OCR, you need opinions from all different aspects, not just mine. Speaking of which, if you ever encounter an overly harsh jerk that says stuff like "You have ruined the source" or "You didn't capture anything from the original" or "Your instrumentation/dynamics are terrible" and his name is Snappleman, don't get let down. He's just a jerk. You'll become twice as good as him if you keep up your pace...

Mine? Mine are terrible. http://neblixsaber.googlepages.com/PeacefulSpring.mp3 This is not Hip Hop, but you can tell I didn't do the same thing OVEr and OVER again (Well I kinda did but the differences were enough to keep the listener interested) And then there's http://neblixsaber.googlepages.com/SerenadeofWaterMix.mp3 A remix I'm working on it's not even half done I don't know where to go with it but I say the same thing it's not over and over and over. (The last few measures are just placeholders I'll put something new there)

Well, sorry, but if you submit a loop to OCR it's gonna get rejected. You do have potential... I am also a self taught Fruityloops user. (My brother's a judge here so I go to him before I submit something) However, you need to understand that OCR doesn't look for loops that are, well, looped with extremely mild differences every two measures. They look for stuff like songs. Stuff like "Oh this is a cool part" or "Wow I liked that buildup and it went smoothly to a high energy part!" Not like "... This is boring I've been hearing this over and over for the last minute." And I'D LOVE FOR YOU GUYS TO JOIN IN... I'm not very comfortable because I'm the only guy giving him advice and it feels wrong that he's getting it from a novice like me....