Nabeel Ansari

I just said it USED to be rock... now it's just techno because I replaced the guitars with synths.

Yeah, I noticed it's got nothing to do with the synths, it's actually the vocals because I have them on high volumes. I should cut those back and you tell me if the problem is still there. I suppose I could cut out two measures of the ending, I agree. Also, it is indeed a fake guitar. If I took that out, this wouldn't really be rock anymore (BTW I was using electric guitar sounds before I replaced them with synths)... I guess I'm fine with techno, but it's kind of an overdone genre, and the bar for techno remixes are really high because there are already so many. I tried replacing it, but I need to find a good synth. If I was gonna add a solo, it'd have to be somewhere in the middle because the ending is supposed to be the melody and the counter melody "fighting" each other. EDIT: I replaced the drums, but they are a little off. I gave em a little TOO much wetness. I'll fix the minor errors at another time (maybe tomorrow)

Yes, I am willing to give this lost cause another shot. The reason I'm starting a new thread is because personal bias against very wrong things I said was slurring the amount of good advice I was getting. Thank you for giving me good advice, and if you could say it again here that would be very much appreciated. I'm willing to work with YOU to help me make my remix musically good enough for OCR material. (Jeez, I sound like an insurance agent) I have a good reason for starting a new thread so I shouldn't get in trouble for it. My favorite part is 2:27, so if anything in THERE could be improved I would VERY much like to hear it because that is in my opinion the best part of the mix. The source track is titled Crash III in the Megaman Zero 3 soundtrack. http://neblixsaber.googlepages.com/17CrashIII.mp3 Here's my remix: http://neblixsaber.googlepages.com/HalfwaytoGo.mp3

Forget it, Gario. You don't understand what I'm trying to say here so just let it go. :/ What I mean to say is that dissonance is NOT used well here. It sounds unpleasant here as most accidental dissonance does. That's my main point: THIS PARTICULAR REMIX does not sound good with this so called "incredible dissonance".

:/ No, and no. The delay makes a bunch of different notes sound at the same time. If I had note A on a strong delay, note B on a strong delay and note C on a strong delay, And the melody was ABCBABCBABCBABCBA It would just be A, B, and C all on every sixteenth step. They all go in the same spot, so instead of hearing and echoed melody ABCBABCBABCBABCBA you hear (ABC)(ABC)(ABC)(ABC) instead of an arpeggio it's just the three notes played at the same time (like your hand going up and down on a chord instead of playing each individual note) I'll ask DS if dissonance can be used properly in an OCRemix. He'll give me a good explanation why it can/ can't be used. Dissonance means "disagreeing sounds" so I don't really understand why you like it. It makes the remix bumpy and unpleasant to listen to. It doesn't matter if it's used "properly" if it sounds unpleasant then nobody's gonna like the mix because it's unpleasant. Tomorrow.

It's pretty good, but before fixing anything else, MAKE SURE YOU FIX THE SOUND like everyone else here said. It's pretty good, but the sound is pretty much as the others said clipping and nothing stands out. It sounds bad in my new speakers, I'd DEFINITELY work on EQ and sound quality, as said before. Also, it's TOO close to the source, and I'm surprised no one said this: It's way too short. If you want this on OCR, you have to make it at least 2 minutes, try adding original melodies or some low energy parts. EDIT: BLEH! MY BAD. Sorry, Nubioso. It's just kinda "bleh" at the moment, if you know what I mean... I don't mean to take your remix and call it gutter trash, but it's kinda boring.

:\ But why you think they sound pleasant, I don't understand at all. Wrong notes, everything is booming in at once. I apologized for my bad choice of words. Clashing is not the case at all... There's too much delay is the problem. At certain parts the delay is overloading and all trace of a melody is gone, with no harmony.

It gives no flavor, it sounds unpleasant.

What Gario is trying to say is that YOUR MIX IS TERRIBLE. Nah I'm just joking! There are some parts where it clashes a lot, though. If you make any changes, make sure you fix everything that is unpleasant (like said clashing) before showing it to us. I made a lot of people mad when I just made itty bitty changes and didn't fix what they told me a hundred times to do.

:\ I don't think this is a game song, it's not something OCR would accept.

It's a remix, jeez. It's not supposed to be trancy and looped a million times while fighting bad guys... it's a SONG.

Don't double post, Chessdude. Use the Edit Button. Also, Rozo, That's basically what I've been saying. Only use the keyboard if it's something you can't do on the computer, or if it's simply easier to do on the keyboard.

Well that's hard to notice... I guess I read it too fast. Yeah, that's basically what I'm saying. Samples and Soundfonts for ReMixing, Piano for live. Don't record sounds from your piano unless it's actually A PIANO SOUND. You wanna do a piano solo, go for it. Record it and put it in your mix, but don't rely on sounds from your keyboard and do everything by hand (literally).

I'll say what I said before... DON'T BUILD YOUR REMIX ON YOUR PIANO Did I not just say that or was I honestly dreaming? There are A LOT more Soundfonts than there is on that Yamaha thing. I have maybe 400 different sounds on my computer But my keyboard has like 20. Soundfonts and samples are the way to go. You can use your keyboard sounds but don't use stuff only from there... plus if it's a recording you have less flexibility with it. I'd recommend only doing the complicated piano stuff on your piano.

Yes, and I'm still saying that I believe it's better to use FL (OR SONAR IF YOU PREFER) for remixes, and then the piano for your Live Stuff. You should download the free demo for FL. If you like it, you can buy it or you can stick with Sonar if it's too much of a change. I'm not trying to change the program you're using for remixes. My main point is to not build it on your piano.

Yeah... wait, HEY!!!

I wasn't forcing him to, I was suggesting it. Sorry if it came off like that.

Well, yes, the piano is a plus... but I'm saying FL Studio is the way to go, maybe sometime in the future after you get your new piano. Also from my experience... the only thing that is worth recording is something that needs to sound like it had human soul put into it. (Like electric guitar or violin) A piano (unless you're using a REAL piano, not a fancy schmancy electric piano) is not something you need to record unless the melody/chords are too difficult to write down into FL/Sonar. Also, you changed your story. In the beginning you were interested in remixing and you gave me (and probably others) the impression that you were gonna build the remix off of your piano, you never mentioned anything about live performances. So, my advice was useless.

Don't even bother with that Yamaha... Use the money for a program called "FL Studio" it's AMAZING comes with a wide variety of sounds you can use, plus a hell of a range of effects you can add like reverb, delay, phasing, love philtering, and all this cool stuff. It lets you write songs by using a pattern system. What you write in one pattern can be duplicated, all you have to do is write the melody in the piano roll and put the patterns in a line on the playlist. You can layer different patterns (ex. Pattern one is the first drum beat and pattern two is my second. Pattern 3 is my transition between parts of the song. Patterns 4 and 5 are my A and B sections. I start off the song like you did with pattern one going for two measures, then I add in pattern 4 while pattern one is still going. They both go like that when I put pattern 3 right at the end for a transition and then patterns 2 and 5 play)

Have you even met Snappleman? Even though he bashed me so hard (he called me a "douche" on my WIP thread and said I ruined the source) he was STILL right about everything he said.

I wouldn't say "terrible" to someone just starting out. "Nothings too harsh unless its wrong." *cough* Beg to differ.

Kinda harsh, don't ya think?

Also something a lot of people misunderstand. ReMixing is NOT JUST Techno. It can be orchestration, oriental, jazz, blues, or whatever the hell you wanna do. It's your remix, but making a techno remix is just a little overdone. Look at Darkesword's artist profile. Listen to his remixes. Some of them are indeed techno, but they have a distinct style that makes the song good. Pay attention to "Ancient Hero" Zelda remix. Notice how there's no trance-y techno beat to it. It's an orchestration.

That's the AMATEUR way of remixing, for one who does it to be cool and not to make a good song. From your beat, I can tell you don't want to be amateur, you definitely tried for this song. If you want this to be a kick*** remix (as in something you would find on OCR) you should do the following: 1. Arrangements in any genre of music (e.g. techno, jazz, rock, classical) are acceptable, so long as the genre itself does not conflict with any other arrangement criteria. 2. The arrangement must be substantial and original. Submissions must be different enough from the source material to clearly illustrate the contributions, modifications, and enhancements you have made. Acceptable arrangement often involves more than one of the following techniques: Modifying the genre, chord progression, instrumentation, rhythms, dynamics, tempo, or overall composition of the source material Adding original solos, transitions, harmonies, counter-melodies, lyrics, or vocals to the source material Taking the original game audio and simply adding drum loops or using an existing MIDI file and assigning new instruments does not qualify as substantial or original arrangement. Submissions should be long enough to convey arrangement; generally, this requires at least two minutes of material. 3. The source material must be identifiable and dominant. While interpretation and original additions are encouraged, arrangement must not modify the source material beyond recognition. The amount of arranged source material must be substantial enough to be recognized. On to MY critique: Well it DOES have a nice beat, but the problem is you imported the original song and then just "sprinkled stuff over it" like Nubioso said. What I do when I'm remixing is use a program called FruityLoops studio. I make the melody in there and recreate the song from ground zero. Sometimes the beat gets a little out of hand and everything is thrown out of harmony, creating a clashing effect. Basically, clash= NOT GOOD. Also the piano thing at the end is good but it sounds like you just put random notes at the end. Those notes don't match the song, so: 1. The listener is thrown off. 2. The chord at the end is NOT good for an ending. Also OCR doesn't like remixes with "abrupt endings".

It's kinda short for a remix... a little too short. Try making the piano louder. It's just kinda "bleh..." at the moment. And the voice is great, but maybe adding some reverb would give it a nice "EMPTY ROOM" effect.