TheVideoGamer

Congrats Souperion! Great remix.
TVQ, yes, the guitars in my remix were live. Thanks for asking. I am not very good yet, but I am starting to feel myself getting better with practice.

Man, I really need to learn how to slow down...

Hmm, never played Secret of Mana too much but I wanna get my fox in the fray for the first time! Maybe I'll see what I can do >_<

The more the merrier!

Speaking of abstract and atmospheric Super Metroidness, Trism and Dex did a pretty good job of capturing the atmosphere of Maridia, last year.  You should check it out APZX!  And everyone else lmao.  
https://compo.thasauce.net/rounds/view/MnP111

@The Vodoú QueenI approached it from a slightly different point of view than the others (at least I kind of think I did). Anyway, I did not have a problem with the length at all. What really irked me had nothing to do with the composition itself, but more in the way the track was presented. My compositional skills are at best, meh. However, I can gauge where you were trying to go from a perspective in terms of sound. Take that saxophone for instance. It is just BEGGING for a long reverb tail on it, with a gentle reduction in the highs of the instrument. But what you have instead is a sound that is completely separated from the rest of the track at that point. The drums fit fantastically with the general vibe, they're prominent enough to be heard, but do not themselves take center stage. It is like the rest of the instrumentation sitting below that saxophone. This is just touching the surface of what I mean when I say space.
If you go listen to pretty much any kind of commercially released music and pay close attention you should start to notice that there is a certain feeling or sense cohesion or depth to the tracks. This is the rather abstract concept of space in terms of music. At least to me. Your track just juxtaposes instruments in an attempt to try and capture or relate the uneasy feeling of Metroid's soundtracks when in reality the vast majority of Metroid's off putting sound really comes from the fact that it is not music in a traditional sense, but more atmospheric. More about the suspension of what is the game's sound effects and environment sounds and what is the soundtrack itself. In of itself it is not about the individual notes nor the instruments, but the way that everything is blended together to create the atmosphere that we recognize as the sound of Metroid. It is one of the reasons why I do not like remixing Metroid tracks in general, and why I did a pretty conservative re-interpretation of a track rather than try a proper remix.
Really, after doing some re-listening to the tracks that were in this round, I noticed that a lot of work was spent on actually making the originals more musical sounding rather than trying to really emulate the nuances that make Metroid's soundtrack sound so much like Metroid.

That's the spirit! It was a hard call between the ice fields and the ice palace. And the snow fields from Seiken Densetsu 3/Trials of Mana/ Secret of Mana 2. Looking forward to hearing takes on the song.

Well, here's three hearts: ♥♥♥, to along with those cookies, for VG, Soup and Hobo.
Anyone else can have some hearts too, IDM.
@HoboKaIt's all cool. :3
@SouperionDon't worry about it. But thank you for understanding the sentiment. Nothing like a good paradigm shattering to get one's butt into gear, though. Look where it's got you now! It's not at all conceited. Like I said before, everyone deserves what they got and everyone deserves a big round of applause for some excellent stuff.
...Now I am just itching to start on the new MnP. >.> You picked a good one, even if sadly I never finished Secret of Mana, haha.

It is definitely pretty. Good choice!

It is definitely pretty. Good choice!

I'm glad too 

I'm glad too 

The main critique i had, was really the length. I felt, like you stretched it on for a bit, because by the 5 minute mark, i didn't feel it developing, or going somewhere, but the rest sounded lovely to my ears, in that the drums were amazing, and the synth choices were super pleasant. 
Remember these comments aren't meant as direct attacks to your artistic craft, these are comments aimed at giving at advice. My comments, were mainly "This is what i would do" or "I felt like from the perspective of me, a musician i would have tried this, or had done this". 
Also note as well, remixing Metroid for me, does not further my career, i just do this, to have a bit of fun, and trade ideas back and forth from other people in my calibre. Think of it as a part-time hobby.
Also one more thing, NickC is coming from a stylistic choice, that requires discipline. Only real musicians and music aficionados will probably understand what message Nick is trying to convey, while a random person on the internet (Who mostly i don't know...listen to pop music or something), might categorise his remix as, unwanted background noise, (No offence Nick, i loved your entrant, i'm just explaining based on the random general consumer). I didn't immediately switch of Nick's entrant, because it was loud and noisy, instead, i learnt, throughout the journey, what ideas were being presented, and why. I got to grips with his style. Not everyone likes pop music, but also not everyone likes Industrial music. And those who like Industrial music, might not like every song in that genre, and it's a good idea to learn why, In this case, the reason being, i felt 8 minutes was a little too long (Especially for Lo-Fi Hip-Hop, where i mostly listen to tracks roughly 3 minutes long). My words don't fuel the overall consensus, but rather, what i've learnt, about each respective style, from listening. I know lots about techno/house, but very little in regards to say...jazz music, but that's because i don't actively seek out jazz, i just learn basic techniques from that genre, hence why my comments might be different to other people's.
All I'm trying to say is, don't take these comments to heart, it's just advice, on what i might have done, or what i would suggest you do. I mostly take what people have said about my track, and use that for future remixes. 
It's all in good fun, trading tips and tricks along the way, as well as ideas, software plugins, just really a place for both Video Game nerds and Music nerds to come together.
Maybe the next round might be up your alley yes?
Hope you understand, and also i hope i didn't come across as ignorant, I'm a fan of keeping it civil. Thanks for entering anyways, your track really did sound great!

Lol the extreme stretching can mess with your brain. Thanks anyways!

Haha see you next mission! I might do it again, when the time's right.

Next round is up!

Well, @The Vodoú QueenI hope you're feeling a bit better.  I didn't feel I was able to back the underdog's horse (publicly) this time around.  Last year, I did that and it didn't end so well.  More sensibilities were hurt than mended, I'll tell you that much.  Glad to see you guys are very positive and constructive. 

Cutting vote period short so we still hit X-Mas day, but end a day after PRC, so time's *do not* overlap exactly.   Wow dat typo..

Compo: MnP (Meat 'n Potatoes)
Feels kinda funny to be doing this again. My choice for the next source is Secret of Mana's track "A Wish" (also known as the frosty forest or ice-crystal fields), a dreamily simple track that plays while fighting wolves and spear-wielding turtles through a lovely ice-crystal field. A bit minimalistic, but enchanting. -Souperion
Deadline: Dec 23rd @ 1PM
Vote Ends: Dec 27th (sun) @ 1 PM
MnP ARCHIVE  - made by Trism
submit: https://compo.thasauce.net/rounds/view/MnP120

MISSION STATEMENT
The goal of Compo:MnP is to promote that "meat and potatoes" conservative approach to remixing: this includes the mood and composition of source tunes. It is up to the remixer to create their own personalization, or to simply give it a sound upgrade. Moreover, the compo is a great opportunity to hone your remixing skills and give video game music the respect that is due. SOME reinterpretation is recommended, but not required.
MnP Instructions/Guidelines
Source-Picks are limited to the era of gaming 1984-2006.  In other words, Nes/Sega Master to PS2/GC/XBox 1.  Going to relax this rule with certain Indie Titles like Shovel Knight, Undertale and possibly Crypt of the Necrodancer.  Update me upon further titles that have that 'Retro Fidelity'.  Thanks! Modifying the Source is fine, so long as it doesn't sound completely separate from its original intent.  Small tempo changes are OK.  But not 140 to 80 etc.  Submissions must be at a maximum of 20mb (keeping in step with ThaSauce's file size max). Only 1 entry per participant. Previous winner cannot participate but can submit a BONUS entry. Try to avoid making quality-based comments on submissions until after the Round is concluded.  It is to avoid a Bias in Votes. MISC/TIPS
- When picking a source tune, make sure it has a MIDI to make people's lives easier.
- In-game sound FX are permitted, so long as they don't comprise the whole track (i.e. replacing entire MIDI tracks with just sfx)

A classic, lovely Secret of Mana song. What could I possibly do to something so beloved and covered by so many OCR artists??

I'd expect nothing less from you, looking forward to it! I'm making progress on my bonus entry.

Not in a weird way, this sentiment warms my heart a bit lol.
I'm glad you and i, are on the same page now, i really like it, when we are all a commiunity.
Here's to a bright future full of remixes! 
I think this whole conversation has turned into at least 5 dollars worth of discussion haha...

I'd buy ya both a pizza for such an enlightening dialogue. I'm sorry that things were a little rough for ya this round, Vodou Queen, but stick with it. I remember the first time I brought a track to the workshop, almost 3 years ago. It was a hunkajunk made with the free website soundtrap, and I asked for an evaluator's review. At the time, it was my favorite homemade mix, but I can't even listen to it anymore without getting hypertension. Thankfully, Timaeus222 was able to gently shatter my paradigm at the time. My point is that music is a (sometimes painful) growing experience. I don't think your preferred genre and style are an issue here. Keep mixing and listening to composers who do the stuff you like, bits and pieces of improvement will come, and the hobby/career will become more rewarding. 
This may seem a bit conceited, coming from a goob who just took 1st, but I think we all are familiar with compositional frustration.
Also, I am massively impressed with your accomplishment in transcribing the piece under such conditions.

And I sure appreciate the feedback, finally found where it was.

If it helps, all the sources i pick, come with my own custom made MIDI from scratch. So this means, listening to the song by ear, or separating it into channels (Particularly NES/Sega Genesis games, as software is available that can do that. Then i listen to each channel, and program the MIDI that way.)
I do this, because:
1. It's a real MIDI, and not a converter, which i can tell straight away, makes remix a pain.
2. It's such a convenience for the rest of the participants, to know, it's a decent MIDI, that works on most DAWS.
It's no easy feet, it is a challenge, if the song very much complex. I've made MIDI's that have taken weeks, because of the complex sound.
The one thing i will say, is that it's a god send, to have perfect pitch, it makes MIDI making soo much easier. Like it's a gift in itself.
No worries anyways, i think you are awesome, and i'm looking forward to more remixes from you!