Monobrow

Man, listening to this on my headphones is great. I always liked the source tune. Anyway, I love Mazedude's sense of uh...harmony...for a lack of a better word.

This is the best piano piece on the site, bar none. So very glad a song like this is on OCR, they are few and far between. Thanks.

Or Mary like you've never seen her before:Don't click unless you've beaten SH2 http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b16/soulofsilent/Snap34.jpg

I always thought 101 was a more epic number than 100

This has a LOT of spoilers, from SH1-4... Okay, I had this discussion with someone a long time ago. This is basically what we worked it up to, an incomplete theory, that almost makes sense so far: Walter Sullivan was raised in the Wish House, around the same time that Alessa was. However, being that he was an orphan, he did not have the privelages that Alessa had, he was obviously abused. But I think he was a "special" child, not quite as "special" as Alessa, but that he was special enough to be a pawn of the cult, much like Claudia was at a later date. Claudia was special as well, obviously, from her (debated) ability to bring about the scenario in SH3. I think it was Claudia that was doing most of the work in SH3, and she was so caught up in the cult, in wanting Paradise, in Alessa's role, that she uh..."put" the god into Heather's womb, and everything Heather sees, is both Claudia's paradise, and a mix of her own, awakening from her lost memories... Anyway, back to SH4...When Walter was young, there was more than one sect at that time. At that time, Dahlia was obsessed in somehow bringing about "paradise", and she was trying to figure out how to birth god...In SH1, we see the conversation between Alessa and Dahlia, when Dahlia realizes that she can use Alessa for her purposes, and so Alessa, who was supposed to become a priestess, instead becomes "impregnated", and then burned, on the brink of death, and she splits in two...Into Cheryl, who I think contains the "real" Alessa's soul, and then leaves "Alessa" in the Alc hospital basement. who I think is actually just her body, containing the soul of the "god". But before all of this happened, Dahlia was looking for a way to birth god. She then met a REALLY young Walter, realized that he had potential to be manipulated, and told him about his "mother" in room 302...This caused Walter to become obsessed, and planted the seed for the events in SH4...And yet...I am sure she quickly forgot about it, or never got around to doing anything with it, and set her sights on her daughter...then the SH1 scenario happens, she fails, and dies, and cult is run by the likes of Jimmy Stone, and later, Vincent and Claudia...Anyway, the point is, Dahlia ultimately caused Walter to seek out "his mother", as she was the head of the Holy Mother sect. But Walter, later in life, upon growing up (and after the events of SH1) from his association with Jimmy Stone, was part of the Valtiel sect. I think that where the Holy Mother sect worships a "female" entity to birth god, the Valtiel sect worships Valtiel, the caretaker who turns the wheels between reality, etc...But I think that Valtiel's sect may also represent the "male's" role in the cult, as an impregnator, executioner, etc. so to speak. And I ALSO think that Walter Sullivan's being tormented by the "red devil" is something VERY similar to what happened to Alessa, having a "god" within her womb...To birth god, they have to do certain things, but they go about it differently, because of their gender. Walter has to sacrifice victims, he had to also kill himself after the "ten hearts". But he was caught before he could do so...Instead, he ends up in a jail cell after killing the Locaine children. I think that here, he starts being tormented by a guilty conscience...And may not want to finish the ritual. In jail, he comments that he is being tormented by the "Red Devil"...Maybe Walter, the good part of him at this point, is being convinced to kill himself so that the ritual can continue, he's fighting a battle of the mind...MUCH like James did... similarly being chased around, maybe even by his "own" demons, heck, maybe even by beings similar to that of Pyamid Head, as PH is a Valtiel sect character by association... Anyway maybe the "real" Walter loses this battle, maybe he was sitting in jail the entire time, experiencing a personal hell...And he loses, and kills himself (actually just splits his soul in two - much like what happened to Alessa and Cheryl, except this was bad for Walter, because the "dead" body would be the good Walter's vessel, and the free roaming body would be Valtiel's, which is the opposite of what happened with Alessa and Cheryl) After the fake death, and the split, Valtiel/Possessed Walter went on with the rest of the ritual. Poor Walter Sullivan gives in, and stabs himself in the neck with a spoon. Everyone always wonders why we see Walter Sullivan's grave in SH2, along with Miriam K, Eddie's, James', and Angelas...Well, Walter's time in jail may explain why in SH2, we hear about Walter's crime, and then we see Walter's grave at the end of the labyrinth - we all know that Eddie, Angela ((most likely)) and James, if you get the In Water ending, are dead, in Silent Hill - this means they lost the battle with themselves - this explains the graves - and maybe Walter's grave too. Anyway, Valtiel gets what he wants and as evil Walter - the Walter that chases you around with a gun later in SH4. He has gotten himself out of a jam because he has the ability to fake his death, so that he can get on with the ritual, and get out of a jail cell, because since he is split, he cannot really die until both halves are together. So even though this confuses me somewhat, maybe the "dead" body that was dug up is just a vessel, similar to what happened to a young Alessa when her mother burned her. Alessa wanted to die, but instead, she was split. After the police think Walter is dead, Valtiel/Walter (the other half) is trapsing around, waiting for the opportunity to finish the 21 Sacraments. When the coast is clear, Walter/Valtiel digs up his own body, carries it to The Room, and then "merges" back with himself, so he can THEN kill himself for REAL, as the 11th victim, and do the assumption, which allows him to kill the rest of his victims much easier, and also, is just what the cult believes, so Walter HAS to do it that way. The way he kills his victims from here on, he "sucks" them into his world through holes, which is related to his psyche, and then offs them there, where they become ghosts, trapped forever there. Whether or not they are sleeping, etc... Anyway, when I said that Valtiel represented the male way to go about birthing a god, I meant that he has to impregnate someone. Somehow, Dahlia impregnated her daughter with a god...But what Walter is trying to do has a twist. He wants the god, the paradise, to be the Room. He is channeling all of the energy from his sacrifices to the Room, which is the "womb" of the mother. This is why we see the umbilical cord looking monster everywhere, the "Greedy Worm"...(I'm not going into that too much right now though, that's a whole nother discussion) But the difference between the Paradise of Walter, and the Paradise of everyone else seems to be that Walter yearns to go "back" into a cult/paradise version of his "mother's" womb, as opposed to spreading "paradise" to others. At this point, I'm a bit too tired to go into the rest, because I haven't figured it all out yet, but it involves Eileen being the "mother" victim in the ritual, sacrificing herself...I still haven't figured out this part of it, but I think that Eileen's role may be similar to Alessa's or Walter's, and that she may be impregnated, like Alessa, or just possessed, much like Walter (from Jimmy Stone's work) and Walter needs her to sacrifice herself, as he did himself, so that the Room will awaken, in his paradise.

Hey guys, did you maybe think that: James and Mary may have visited the Historical Society during their stay in Silent Hill, and may have come across that painting (or a normal variation of) and may have also read about some of the history of the town there? James' psyche produces Pyramid Head, but maybe this is only because his psyche needs SOMETHING to represent his guilt for what he did, and the violence of Mary's murder, and the emotions raging within his head. And considering what many consider the closest to "official" ending being the In Water ending, Pyramid's chasing of James, and constant threat may also represent his hidden desire to end his own life. I personally always thought that Pyramid Head isn't exclusive to just James, but that he was just produced as a representation of what James was trying to supress. In that, Maria is similar to Pyramid Head, as she represents his hidden desires, etc. etc. IN SH2, Pyramid Head and Maria are ALIKE, in that they are both born from a wish, so to speak. Not to mention that the Valtiel sect is said to wear pyramid hoods, similar to what the executioners wore during the Toluca Prison/Civil War era, etc. So it is perfectly feasable that many variations, based on these executioners, can be tied easily to the cult, and what people "sucked in" to a cult member's world, or whatever they are doing in the movie, will see.

Jooooooah! Usa Usa Usa Usa Usa, where is Usa? :/. We still have to render the strings and the piano once more lol. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAhhhhhh. Annnnnd, #mwwproject has been empty besides Cyan and me, and occassional Taucer forever . Also, happy belated b-day Arek, I haven't been around that much, I JUST finished moving.

I see that Innocent Sea is untaken, I don't know about my status with Jeremy at this point for Flamelet, but I have a great idea for innocent sea, I'm going to start working on it.

Hey guys, well I just moved from my apartment, and am moving into a new place, currently cleaning, etc. I have yet to set up my computer too. But I will be able to do mix work probably by the end of this week. So I haven't dropped off the face of the earth.

Hmmm...Sorry guys, I've given this a few listens, and each time I like it less and less...That's really weird for me, since usually a few listens do the exact opposite. I just really don't like the vocals...They rubbed me all the wrong ways. I know the reasons for why they are the way they are, of course, and I could try to listen to this song in the context of "fun" and memories and all that. But I wasn't there, I wasn't a part of whatever connection you shared, and with my bias as a person who listens to an OCRemix for what it is, for what is presented, and not for the context it should be taken in (unless it was judged by different standards) especially in comparison to every other remix on the site, I'm just going to be honest. It's strange, so far I get the notion that this song is supposed to represent a feeling that you guys had during this collaboration..."Sacred", but to me at least, this song doesn't represent that feeling very well. The connection you guys made doesn't seem to translate into this mix for me, I don't "get it" after listening. It has some great Taucer guitar work, and Jill has some good stuff, and also the arrangement is okay...but... Should this have been a direct post by OCR standards? Nah, at least I don't think so, with as many problems it has, to my ears. But eh, then again, would it have been posted any other way? I'm not a judge, but I've seen songs that had less flaws turned down flat, in comparison...Then again, I'm willing to bet that this would have gotten a resubmit...Because it has many good things going for it, and many "easily" fixed problems. But by "easily", that could have required you meeting again to change anything, and then, what would the fun be? Or Jill could have just used her mic, re-recorded the vocals at home, and shonen, also D-lux could have redone that...rap thing... And it would have turned into an internet-collab...Instead of the one or two takes this got at 5am (under my impression)...All in all, this is dedicated to that e-meeting...etc. And I guess the "spirit" of the thing matters here, especially to the artists, otherwise, under any other circumstances, this mix wouldn't be so much of a big deal...And ironically enough, it probably wouldn't have suffered so much production-wise either. Anyway, that's my take on it. DJP passes whatever he wants to pass, and he understood what kind of song this was, I am guessing...I have no problem with that...But to the artists, don't expect everyone else in the community to understand, or even if they understand, to appreciate this song the way you do. It's all just opinion anyways.

I just wanna say JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOaaaaaaaaaah

Haha, after listening to this in class today, I have much more appreciation for this song than before. And I swear, I hear a cough at 1:24. Edit: or all throughout the mix heee

Okay, to me, this is by far your best mix. I especially love the section from 3:40-4:15...The vocal to piano transition was just beautiful. And the vocals gave it all a really subtle harmony that I enjoyed oh so much. An eye opener.

Aaaaaaaaaaaah. Yeah, I don't see why this is not in Site Projects yet really. I'm almost finished with my Kirby Superstar Project song, and then I am going to finish mine for this one right afterwards (I've recently had access to much better samples too) Way to actually finish things for once. Anyway, would anyone be willing to PM me about my drumwork for my WIP though? (it's basically just a loop right now, but I intend to mix it up a lot) I really suck at drums, so if you have any input, I'd welcome it. Heh... This was a rambling bump I guess.

If you are not willing to purchase anything: www.sf2midi.com They have a lot of free (decent) quality stuff, some VERY large libraries and individual samples, as far as sf2 goes... Just watch out for who made what...Some links may be questionable.

Yay! Props to Geoffrey, Oh and Usa, all I have to say about this mix is: IT SOUNDS LIKE GM BELLS HAD SEX WITH FRUITY DEFAULTS

oh my ears can't wait Oh just kidding. Good luck.

I'm going to say, on a side note, that I love the cymbal work...I love it.

Haha, hey Usa, all this time, I had no idea about this project...It seems like I'm the last person on earth who noticed this thread. Though I haven't really been around much either myself until now. But hey, I'm going to attempt a red song, see what I can come up with. If I'm allowed to "claim" (for now at least), it would be flamelet. Anyway, good luck with this, but damnit, come back to #mww already, we need some joah.

********SPOILERS AHEAD******** Okay guys, let's have some Silent Hill 2 theory discussion: A long time ago I went to the silenthillforum site, and ran into some guy named "TheAdversary". To summarize, he has this interesting theory that Mary was confined in Brookhaven Hospital for five days, and then released to go see James the day before he killed her. He also claims that the rooftop diary was in fact, Mary's and that she was suicidal. Most of all of the stuff he claims is in the below topic. It IS an interesting theory, but I've already gone over all of my doubts over there at that forum, and realized that some people just want to be right, no matter what the cost, instead of having a good hearted debate. Tonight I went back there, and I laughed a little bit that he and others are still singing the same exact tune with other people. So it gave me an idea: I want to know what you smart and cool people over here think. Is this guy right? Instead of me jumping around on a flame spree, let's debate over here. It might give this topic a little more life anyway. What do you think? http://www.silenthillforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=132&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 ps. sorry for the triple posts..jeez

Some of these posters could make good wallpapers... By the way, does anyone have any great site links to some really good SH wallpapers? I'm not sure if anyone has linked to these before in this thread (I guess I'm too lazy to look on my crappy modem). Hmmm... I really love SH2 Promise (reprise), it's an outstanding song. Makes me very happy that there was recognizable Akira Yamaoka music in the teaser too. I'm very hopeful. I need to get my ps2 back so I can replay SH2 again...I traded it to my brother for his x-box, and now I have a craving to play something...I may have to go out and actually buy an x-box version.

Wow, yeah some of those posters are really awesome, but you still have my vote GT. I've voted a few times. I hope ya win.

I did the exact same thing. I rented it, with my sister, because it looked cool. We played until we came to the café, and then we were to scared to do ANYTHING, so we quickly turned off the game, and never played again. Some years later, the rental place was selling out all of their games extremely cheap, so I bought Metal Gear Solid and Silent Hill for a total of about $10. This time I managed to beat it, and I was hooked. Shortly afterwards, SH3 was released, so I bought that (not knowing the striong connection it had to SH1) without having played SH2. This was during the summer. The christmas that year, I wished for SH2: Director's Cut, and got it. It's been my favorite in the series ever since. Then I bought SH4 on the releasedate. I think this play order was quite perfect, but playing the games in numerical order might be even better. I'm not sure. That is a good play order, but anyway...I think playing the first first one is always a good choice, regardless.

From the diary entry, it's somewhat unclear as to whether Dahlia was addressing Walter directly or whether it was just something that she said while meeting with the Holy Mother sect. Either way, Walter misinterpretted the message. I don't think that Dahlia was refering to Walter's actual or perceived mother, but likely to the Holy Mother. I mean, how could she know the location of this particular orphan's birth parents immediately on their first meeting? From Walter's diary, Walter over-reacts at the mention of this and wants to see his mother in order to find solice in someone meant to love him unconditionally as an escape from the treatment he was receiving under the care of Wish House. I don't believe that it's a coincidence that the mention of Dahlia and her visit are listed after Walter's recants about his life at Wish House. It isn't until Walter actually gets to Ashfield and is unable to locate his mother that he begins thinking that his mother is in Room 302 of South Ashfield Heights Apartments (and then ultimately that the room itself is his mother). Walter's search is entirely out of his own desire to see his mother, not by suggestion that he see her by Dahlia or anyone else. Also, she mentions Ashfield, not specifically South Ashfield, where Walter spends the majority of the time searching. In fact, the diary even suggests that Walter was advised not to go to South Ashfield, because it is a "scary place." felixmcli.org - Silent Hill 4 The Room - Notes (Red Writings) (Specifically, entries Oct. 16th & Oct. 17th) The important lady told me mommy was asleep in Ashfield. I got a mommy too! I'm really happy! I wanna see her. Where is Ashfield anyhow? Hmmm, the phrasing to this is VERY ODD. I still don't really understand the significance of "mommy was asleep in Ashfield" Why would that be said? What is so special about Ashfield to the Holy Mother Sect? I did understand the Holy Mother sleeping part. But regardless, my point was that Dahlia is still ultimately responsible for leaving Walter with that impression, and also ultimately (even if that's not what she meant) pointing him in the direction of "The Room", even if he twisted her words (along with all of the doctrine he read.) Anyway, I always thought it was very cool that they tied her in there...That harlott sure is responsible for a hell of a lot of misery. Also, in terms of which games to play in which order. I really DO recommend you play them in numerical order if you can, as even though most people like the second one the best, I really ANTICIPATED a lot when I played the second one, and it made my play through of it all that much better. It's funny that I rented the first one when it came out...but only for the first five minutes, then I dropped the controller and didn't pick it up again until a week before SH2 was released (which I had no idea was coming out at the time). So after finally beating SH1, I went out and bougth SH2 brand new, and it added up to the scariest one-two weeks of my life . Anyway, you can settle on playing the second one first, if you can't find SH1, but eh, game one is so underappreciated. Also, DON'T play 3 without playing the first game, because 3 is the sequel. It ruins a lot if you do. The fourth one is related to all of the others in some way, but is also pretty self contained, so you could even start out with that, if you had to.

Oh how I loathe thee, even if your music is good. Jeez...I mean...It just figures. Anyway, nice orchestral arrangement, piano = lovely. Very full in the lower ranges though, which felt a little bit overpowering...but yeah...beautiful and moving. Also, some nice builds.