The Old Fogies From UnMod Thread

[Schwaltzvald]

hmmm I can picture it:

Voices muffled by the fur suit:

"Hey DarkStalkerWolfEdge,what's happening in sports?"

"Well, SharpLupineShadowTracker, the cougars lost to the braves"

"Booooooo!"

"I concur, however our spiritual brothers will grow better with the addition of a new player, who sadly, I must admit, is not an animal spirit, he is an otherkin... believes he's some guy called Tidus from FF12"

"Well, at least he's not a 'norm'"

I almost wouldn't be surprised if this is true.

[Flare4War]

I bet it happens all the time.

[TimberWolf]

What format are they? Working with audio files is one of my talents.

Evidently, the file format is some "bizarro" format, where it looks, acts and smells like a 64kbps MP3, but itunes won't touch it, and my Sony Walkman MP3 device says it's incapable of using that filetype.

So, i've decided to use the ever popular "brute force" approach:

Use the diskwriter plugin in winamp to "play" the files, converting them to 44,100Hz 8-bit wav files, eradicating any residual MP3 components that may be causing this (even reconverting to MP3 with winamp didn't work), then use itunes to batch-convert them back to MP3 so they're not enormous.

The show itself is by a friend and her furry friends, and i haven't listened to it yet to see what it's like, lol. The friend i know isn't a fursuiter, but i can't vouch for HER friends. I do know that they produce more furry art in a day than i did in 2 years. And it's no one from here, lol.

Ps: there are far better ways to batch-convert these files, which may be even faster than my method, but the quality is already low, and these programs are already configured to do the work quickly. I know this method works, so quantity rules over quality. This is for use in a noisy work environment anyway, quality isn't really going to make a difference. The quality has to suck pretty hard to lose voice recognition.

[The Author]

The one question about furries is: Why do they pick badass noble animals, or ones that have a trait imposed by society (IE: deers are cute, cows are motherly)?

Usually, there are more herbivores around than carnivore, so in the "animal spirit world" there shouldn't be a disproportionate number of wolves and lions compared to cows, rabbits and so on.

Considering the overabundance of rodents, there should be at least 100 rats for every cow, and 20 cows for every wolf.

Also, are there any non-emo animals? All furries are also fucking emos.

afukicn furrays!

[Arcana]

The one question about furries is: Why do they pick badass noble animals, or ones that have a trait imposed by society (IE: deers are cute, cows are motherly)?

Usually, there are more herbivores around than carnivore, so in the "animal spirit world" there shouldn't be a disproportionate number of wolves and lions compared to cows, rabbits and so on.

Considering the overabundance of rodents, there should be at least 100 rats for every cow, and 20 cows for every wolf.

Also, are there any non-emo animals? All furries are also fucking emos.

afukicn furrays!

I don't think the Circle of Life and the Animal Food Pyramid is on the priority lists of furries.

Someone who roleplays a furry rabbit will probably gladly dive into his or her rabbit stew and not think for a moment that it's like cannibalism.

[TimberWolf]

God, i almost want to link to the first show just to show you guys what ISN'T going on there, lol.

Ie: None of that. Or even that.

[The Coop]

You know, I've repeatedly wanted to make a thread asking about how liking the way anthro art like this, this, this, this or this turned out, equates to fucking in fur suits, wanting to fuck animals, or just generally finding the artwork to be disgusting because it's anthro. I mean, I understand that some people being weirded out by the sploogey stuff from Bernal or Dr. Comet, but even simple nudity like this, this, this or this (I love how strongly mood comes across), or poses like this or this that may or may not have nudity (yet no splooge, or spreading and what have you) get the same reaction. Somehow the quality of the work vanishes, and it becomes just about "OMG AMINAL FUKER!".

It's always puzzled me, but I know such a thread would be locked in a heartbeat by getting thrown wildly off course within a page. But... seriously, what the fuck? What's the big deal about half human, half animal characters?

[TimberWolf]

Holy shit Coop, lol, you've got some furry rage goin' on!

I'm down, i'm down.

I think i'll selectively tell people about the radio show, as unleashing it here might bring more negativity than anything, and it's quite tame. Unless the boards have changed, a shitstorm is too easy to create.

[The Coop]

It's not rage, it's honest bewilderment. Perhaps it's because I grew up watching Looney Tunes, Swat Katz, some TMNT, and what have you. Perhaps it's because I've always been a huge fan of the werewolf concept (and written a number of long, novella and short stories with them in it). But I just don't see the issue.

Hell, I have a story I wrote (a rather long one) where every character is an anthro, and I designed all the major characters. It was fun, and it fit since it was a more light-hearted tale. To me, it was simply another aspect of character creation, allowing you to go in a different direction than what's generally available for purely human or animal characters. In fact, I've been working on redesigning my characters for that story (along with those in the trilogy I've spoken about before) because I've gotten better at character design.

As I said, I can understand people being weirded out by seeing a half human, half animal having an orgasm, or fucking/sucking something. But to get the same reaction from simply drawing or liking the design and result of someone's non-sexual anthro work honestly puzzles me.

It's a question I'd love an answer to, and perhaps back in the day with we had a furry thread, it could have been asked. But nowadays? I don't think getting an honest answer without flames all around is going to happen.

[Arcana]

It's always puzzled me, but I know such a thread would be locked in a heartbeat by getting thrown wildly off course within a page. But... seriously, what the fuck? What's the big deal about half human, half animal characters?

Freudian-style repression and self-loathing, because they secretly find it all erotic but have to repress their emotions?

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Actually, I think a part of it is that many people have an aversion to it because they may find that it is borderline bestiality. Or maybe, they know that they're sexualized images, but find them repulsive and are too judgemental to hold their tongue - kind of like what people would have said about gay porn a few years ago when it wasn't considered politically incorrect to attack homosexuality. Or even, for some people, hetero porn.

A lot of people's first and only exposure to furry fandom is pornographic (and there is a lot of pornographic furry art out there) and then it ends up being some kind of odd derivation that therefore, all furry art is leading to pornography. It's similar to how a lot of people used to think that all Japanese cartoons were porn.

[Schwaltzvald]

Evidently, the file format is some "bizarro" format, where it looks, acts and smells like a 64kbps MP3, but itunes won't touch it, and my Sony Walkman MP3 device says it's incapable of using that filetype.

So, i've decided to use the ever popular "brute force" approach:

Use the diskwriter plugin in winamp to "play" the files, converting them to 44,100Hz 8-bit wav files, eradicating any residual MP3 components that may be causing this (even reconverting to MP3 with winamp didn't work), then use itunes to batch-convert them back to MP3 so they're not enormous.

The show itself is by a friend and her furry friends, and i haven't listened to it yet to see what it's like, lol. The friend i know isn't a fursuiter, but i can't vouch for HER friends. I do know that they produce more furry art in a day than i did in 2 years. And it's no one from here, lol.

Ps: there are far better ways to batch-convert these files, which may be even faster than my method, but the quality is already low, and these programs are already configured to do the work quickly. I know this method works, so quantity rules over quality. This is for use in a noisy work environment anyway, quality isn't really going to make a difference. The quality has to suck pretty hard to lose voice recognition.

Just upload the raw files you had before you messed around with it in your attempts in mediafire or sendspace. I got Sony Sound Forge Audio Studio ($99 at the time of purchase) which is what I usually use to work with audio files, not to mention foobar2k is awesome in working with obscure sound files.

[TimberWolf]

Yes, let me upload the controversial furry-related sound files to Schwaltzvald. That doesn't have potential for disaster.

[Eulogic]

What's the big deal about half human, half animal characters?

You're talking about sexualized anthropomorphic animals. Hell, I don't like hentai or hentai lite even without furries.

If you aren't masturbating to it, then why look at it at all? It's not like we're talking about great art here.

[TimberWolf]

You're talking about sexualized anthropomorphic animals. Hell, I don't like hentai or hentai lite even without furries.

If you aren't masturbating to it, then why look at it at all? It's not like we're talking about great art here.

Unless i'm misunderstanding something, way to reinforce Coop's point.

PS:

[The Coop]

Actually, I think a part of it is that many people have an aversion to it because they may find that it is borderline bestiality. Or maybe, they know that they're sexualized images, but find them repulsive and are too judgemental to hold their tongue - kind of like what people would have said about gay porn a few years ago when it wasn't considered politically incorrect to attack homosexuality. Or even, for some people, hetero porn.

A lot of people's first and only exposure to furry fandom is pornographic (and there is a lot of pornographic furry art out there) and then it ends up being some kind of odd derivation that therefore, all furry art is leading to pornography. It's similar to how a lot of people used to think that all Japanese cartoons were porn.

It's funny you mention that. The reason I wrote that story was because there were some comments in Razor-man's furry thread that all anthro art was, was a means to make screwing an animal seem more acceptable... that all the artists and writers couldn't keep from centering their work around the concept of sex.

At the time, I wasn't very familiar with the fandom (I'm still not really), and as you said, there was porn related images aplenty (Bernal got posted a lot, as did Dr. Comet's... um... weirder, stuff). I thought, Huh. Well, then I guess someone should write a story that has anthros with no sex, no nudity, and no slinky outfits. So, I wrote that story of mine, and since I had been working on several stories that were serious and horror-like, I went with a humorous adventure tale.

The rough draft is 112 pages, and I haven't touched it since I originally finished it years ago. But with these character redesigns going on, I may just do that as a means of taking a break from my trilogy.

You're talking about sexualized anthropomorphic animals. Hell, I don't like hentai or hentai lite even without furries.

If you aren't masturbating to it, then why look at it at all? It's not like we're talking about great art here.

Because some of it is good art. Images like the second, seventh and eight ones I posted show a lot of technical skill, and the ninth one displays a great sense of mood and lighting. Just because they focus on an anthro character, doesn't diminish those traits (IMHO mind you).

Yes, there's a LOT of porn in the genre. No one in their right mind would argue that fact. But there are some wonderful works that have nothing sexual about them, and some that feature nudes or "romantic"/"cute" scenes (i.e. no one's fucking) that are also well done either on a technical or mood front. I guess as an artist and illustrator, I don't see how the writing off of the entire genre is warranted because of a portion of it (even if it is a sizable portion).

I mean, if the characters in the images I posted were fully human, people would be complementing the artists left and right on their skill. But since they're anthro, suddenly all the qualities vanish and it's solely about masturbating to animals? That makes no sense to me.

By the way Timber, you're Photobucket link's dead.

[Schwaltzvald]

It's not rage, it's honest bewilderment. Perhaps it's because I grew up watching Looney Tunes, Swat Katz, some TMNT, and what have you. Perhaps it's because I've always been a huge fan of the werewolf concept (and written a number of long, novella and short stories with them in it). But I just don't see the issue.

Hell, I have a story I wrote (a rather long one) where every character is an anthro, and I designed all the major characters. It was fun, and it fit since it was a more light-hearted tale. To me, it was simply another aspect of character creation, allowing you to go in a different direction than what's generally available for purely human or animal characters. In fact, I've been working on redesigning my characters for that story (along with those in the trilogy I've spoken about before) because I've gotten better at character design.

As I said, I can understand people being weirded out by seeing a half human, half animal having an orgasm, or fucking/sucking something. But to get the same reaction from simply drawing or liking the design and result of someone's non-sexual anthro work honestly puzzles me.

It's a question I'd love an answer to, and perhaps back in the day with we had a furry thread, it could have been asked. But nowadays? I don't think getting an honest answer without flames all around is going to happen.

Hey Coop it isn't 4chan, /b/ or even some of the lesser imageboards that eat this up and flame/trollbait what have you around here; then again I have seen a thread like it come up and last for about a hundred posts before going down in flames.

I'd think you're more likely to have a serious discussion over at PPR though on the issue and more likely to get better answers than say some of the quasi-political pundits we have around. You're well respected around here that aside from a couple of jokes, you're more likely find a serious discussion.

Give it a shot.

Oh yeah I loved "Swat Katz" back in the day, still watch it from time to time on Boomerang these days.

[TimberWolf]

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii212/msf67/2197-1.jpg

It must not be hot-linkable, lol.

On furries:

I find it amusing that a fursuter is looked at as a deviant, sexual or not (though some designs can't help it/are purposeful), yet anyone under the age of 30 grew up with Sesame street. The fucker's called "Big Bird" for fuck's sake, lol.

If all people in suits wanted was to fuck, it'd be cruel irony to stick them on a show full of children.

Also, Bugs Bunny is fully acceptable crossdressing as a woman, kissing Elmer Fudd, but put boobs on a Wolf and people think you're secretly wishing to bury your meat missile under the nearest fluffy tail.

It's just a double standard for the sake of it, that's all. People's first exposures to furries is going to be in cartoons (hello, tiny toons?) and in movies, not some porn they see on the internet. People like that need to get fucking real, lol, it's just idiocy and trying to put someone down for something they like being different.

[FR]

I didn't read any of the long posts but

is timber wolf a furry

why would listen to furry radio if you aren't

that would be llike watching mexican soap operas without knowing a lick of spanish

and the coop doesn't get why people be hatin' on furries?

I know I should be reading but ugh so much words

it hurts you know :[

[SoloGamer]

more like old furries from unmod thread, am I right?

[TimberWolf]

I didn't read any of the long posts but

is timber wolf a furry

why would listen to furry radio if you aren't

that would be llike watching mexican soap operas without knowing a lick of spanish

and the coop doesn't get why people be hatin' on furries?

I know I should be reading but ugh so much words

it hurts you know :[

FR, are you looking for a real answer, or did you just want to get that out?

[FR]

I am sereal

also don't quote me so I can fix my grammer and spelling errors so I don't look like dumb please

[TimberWolf]

I am sereal

also don't quote me so I can fix my grammer and spelling errors so I don't look like dumb please

I have to, misunderstandings can start if i don't.

Anyway, real answers. The radio podcast is Australian, so they're speaking english, so i can understand them. You have to get into higher math or deep biology before i stop understanding spoken english. (I know it was analogy, but i wanted to be clear.)

Given the definition that people that like furry art are also furries, then yup. Furry. If your definition includes people that dress up AS furries, especially their "fursonas" then no, i'm not that cool, sorry. Would i go to a con? Yup.

Also, the furry radio isn't talking about how to fuck raccoons or something (they don't even have them there!), they're basically talking about cons, experiences with other furs (which is all super-friendly, but no spooge, it's not that friendly), and some funny animal stories like a smoking Sparrow that burned down a store. They talk about art and music a lot too.

[FR]

you quoted me

and it was almost perfect

but I messed up again

like always

:c

[TimberWolf]

You're fine, nobody cares, lol. In a good way.

[The Coop]

Hey Coop it isn't 4chan, /b/ or even some of the lesser imageboards that eat this up and flame/trollbait what have you around here; then again I have seen a thread like it come up and last for about a hundred posts before going down in flames.

I'd think you're more likely to have a serious discussion over at PPR though on the issue and more likely to get better answers than say some of the quasi-political pundits we have around. You're well respected around here that aside from a couple of jokes, you're more likely find a serious discussion.

Give it a shot.

Oh yeah I loved "Swat Katz" back in the day, still watch it from time to time on Boomerang these days.

This may not be 4chan, but we've both seen threads crash and burn with extreme prejudice. Plus, back in the old days, anthro art and artists were at least tolerated to some degree. But that changed after a few years (Gerbilfat was made in part because of the attitude shift). And really, there hasn't been much in the way of anthro art or artists ever since on OCR (or at least, it's not nearly as prevalent as it once was).

But, I went ahead and gave it shot, and added some new images as well. Here's hoping.