The Vagrance

Mainly WIPs because I need someone to sing/rap over them, without vocals to get started with I can't really go on any further. http://www.thevagrance.com/music/wip/crazy.mp3 http://www.thevagrance.com/music/wip/virginia.mp3

...DAMNIT! I don't have those, I DID have some ideas but they were bunk, I'll try to get to it in a couple of days.

Slight update, more arrangement than production-wise. I have the flute line in there but its mainly for my friend who I'll hopefully be sampling. Same link as the top of the page.

I've actually been REALLY busy since that Guardia Forest remix, just with nothing OCRemix related. So far its just setting the mood b ut I plan on adding more acoustic things as it progresses. I got a flute line going and I've already got my drums down (for the most part) and I plan on adding a piano thing as well. I really need some vocals samples though to tie everything together though, I'm doing this rap track with a girl from my school, maybe I can get her to lay down a few notes for this remix as well. Alright, nice, glad that things finally over.

Very carefully?

All my argument is "You guys are making too much out of this," thats not a bad argument. A bad argument would be "Timebaland did nothing wrong" which I didn't make. Things I've been proven wrong on I have accepted as being proven wrong on. I'll admit it, I got a little out-of-hand last post but when people insult ME as a person (having nothing to do with the arguments), question MY beliefs, and outright tell me that MY opinion or argument is inferior to everybody else's then don't expect me to sit back and take notes. Trolling is taking an outrageous point that no one in their right minds would take, I'm taking the point that everyone is making too much out of what he did, thats not an outrageous point. Sorry, I'm just fed up with unneeded elitism, thanks for being calm about this which I have (until now) tried to do. I understand a lot of the arguments people are making and thats fine, a lot of it comes down to personal opinion of the matter. Legally, he would be in hot water if it weren't for his status, I'll admit to that.

Its really sad the extremeties people will go to for video games.

For fuck's sake stop acting like you're some goddamn scholar by telling me to get out. I present a counterargument, and suddenly I'm the bottom of the fucking barrel. I guess thats what I get for having an opinion. I have tried to argue this as calmly as I could trying not to resort to personal attacks but I won't tolerate these kinds of attacks against me. Next time read all of my posts and realize that our opinions aren't that far from each other's before making a post that makes you look like an elitist asshole.I'm not a tool, I don't need to get the fuck out, and I'm not as stupid as you guys are making me out to be. I got (or had least had) massive respect for all of you but fuck, if this is how differing opinions are treated then there goes your idea of community.

I thought it already existed? I remember nabbing that sucker.

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I got dibs on making a YTMND of it....later.

Just as a note, I'm getting tired of arguing so I'm gonna leave this thread for a few hours. I'd appreciate it if the personal insults would stop though.

I was just using it as a refute to him saying that everything the remixers do isn't their creation. The only difference in this case is money, and nobody knows how much money anybody made off of this track. It wasn't a single so its not as big of an issue. I've said it multiple times, HE SHOULD HAVE STATED HE WAS INFLUENCED FROM THE SONG. However, do not dismiss the work Timbaland put into the track himself.

The changes made in Timbaland's version include: 1. Damn fine production values 2. Vocals 3. Another melody line 4. A lot of arrangement changes 5. An edited bassline The way he arranged this song was similar as if he sampled it, only instead of sampling uncreativally (See Daft Punk's Robot Rock) he sampled creatively, by recreating the original along with adding new parts and changing the overall mood making it a completely new song (See Daft Punk's Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger). Also, its worth noting I even spotted a piece of Intense Colour on SGX's Coactive album (I forgot which song) which was definately the melody line from the Mario Paint song, but I haven't seen him in court yet. DJ Green Lantern sampled Final Fantasy VII's battle theme for a rap track he did and he hasn't gotten sued over it yet. A lot of what goes on with sampling, borrowing, and taking influences today in music is a total gray area and the courts are having trouble on how to rule, it all just comes down to: A. Is the sampler famous and B. Is the song they sampled famous I agree with this completely.

I had, and I said that Timbaland should've given credit.

I love the idea for this but the samples seem a bit low-quality (although I kinda like the piano). Once again its not really long enough. I'm not an expert on these types of remixes and hopefully someone who does more orchestral things will come by and help out.

I haven't gotten around to listening, give me a few minutes.

Thats funny because I remember an incident about a month after Blood on the Asphalt was released where someone posted videos on youtube that just said "Street Fighter Fei Long Stage Remix" (there were some others but I forgot what they were) while playing Zircon's (excellent I might add) Flying Heaven Remix, only the poster of the video didn't say that it was from Blood on the Asphalt or OCRemix, then quite a few people on the forums threw a fit about how he wasn't giving credit where credit was due. The poster on youtube said Street Righter and Fei Long, which were the original tracks, and if the remix isn't technically zircon's then I guess no one would've complained. Considering people pour in as much effort (or even more in some cases) into these remixes as their original compositions, then I would consider them their creation. They were influenced by video game music, yeah, but if it weren't for the Mario Paint intro and outro on Intense Colour I never would've guessed.

Well, the drums seem too much in the background, what you need to do is less use reverb on everything, the more reverb you use the more everything sits in the background. At least you aren't using the default samples. The more I listen to this, the more I think its designed to be background music, the problem with doing OCRemixes is that the intention is to stand on its own as a listenable track. Maybe having a more fleshed out arrangement that lasts longer would help, also have more drums in there, I like those sections.

So all of the remixes on this site do not belong to the respected remixers?

You guys know why he's asking for hi-res photos right? Its so he can e-mail each and every one of us from DJP's account (which he'll hack) and say he needs our passwords, then he'll link to a hi-res looking log-in site complete with google ads and everything, then just when he has everybody's password, he'll sell it to all of his spambot friends and all of us will become mindless drones! Oh the humanity!

Ah, I was waiting for someone to insult me based off of no knowledge aside from the fact that I disagree with them on a point. You know what they say, "Sticks and stones may break my bones but yo momma's so fat she sits AROUND the home." Or something rather.

Different drums and bassline? Dear god, thats almost like a different song!

"Block Party" sounds just like Do It, its barely worth considering because its essentially the same case as with Do It.

I wasn't a huge fan of the song but the live version absolutely kills the album version. I really want to see them do Nightbreed - Pack of Wolves (Pendulum Remix) live though, that song already has the guitars in it, all they need to do is play it.