The Vagrance

Considering Timbaland is associated with that type of lifestyle and the fact that her last album (where she "played it safe") sold poorly, it sounds damn close to selling out to me, but then again its all circumstantial, I find it weird that she's doing this now after she had a kid though.

Pendulum has milked their sound to some extent (Dear god "Slam" was a terrible song) but their live stuff has given me a new faith in them. Check out the vids they've posted: Blood Sugar (contains naughty words including "arsecheeks") Another Planet Hold Your Colour Fasten Your Seatbelts Intro and Slam I would give both of my left nuts to go to one of those concerts. Live drumming, live guitars, live synths, and overall epicness.

Haha, finally someone who shares the same opinion as me. I'm not a huge fan of Timbaland or his values but I gotta respect the things he's produced. I remember arguing with some people about how Nelly Furtado sold out as well.

Epic Everglade: I kinda like the ideas you got going but there's so little production value to this I'm not sure. I've seen you around for a while but I must ask what exactly are you using because for as long as you've been around you should have better production values than this. Everything sounds really wimpy and I know you've got great ideas down you just need to flesh them out a bit more.

But the original issue has nothing to do with the RIAA, the original issue is did Timbaland rip off a song. People are then finding whatever tangents they can to associate it to the RIAA to say "look, see how stupid the RIAA is!" The intention of this topic was not to show how similar Timbaland's song was to the other one but to bash the RIAA some more. The issue at hand has nothing to do with the RIAA.

Fair enough, that is where it comes down to opinion. If he had noted the influence from the song then it would've been good enough for me but arguing this point further is meaningless. My sarcasm/hyperbole detector broke after Bush's State of the Union in '05 when I couldn't figure out whether he was being serious or not.

Also, has anyone here aside from me heard the entire song or just the video? Because I just listened to it, and like I said in my first post, this isn't even a direct rip, the sections taken out were selectively the closest to the original but the Timbaland version has so much added to it. The intro bassline isn't even the same all the way through, the last two bars are different than the original. If this video didn't existed I wouldn't have made the connection.

I stand corrected If it weren't for the Commodore 64 sounds during the chorus I doubt many people would've noticed the connection. Using the MJ thing was probably a bad example but let's use another one. Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger by Daft Punk is based off of Cola Bottle Baby by Edward Birdsong, in fact the basis for the entire song is based off of it, but Daft Punk adds so much more to it that makes it a different experience all in itself despite being extremely simple. The only difference between the two cases is Timbaland didn't at least cite it was based off of the Finnish guy's song, which is all he should've done, but both are different enough in their own right to be considered different songs. Oh, well taking the melody of a song and reinterpretating it is SO barbaric so we must make him eat his own ass. Glad to know we're making progress. You're a smart dude, I've seen your posts on PPR and I agree with them for the most part but don't resort to these types of responses. Every time I see someone make this response I think either they're not sure how to respond, or they think they're too good to respond, neither of which are very appealing. That is a completely bold and ignorant statement, death or at the very least intense physical pain over something like this is too much, if every time this happened someone got shot then the music business would be a bloodbath. Maybe. I would like to say that I'm not trying to piss people off but its how I feel about the situation. Should the Finnish artist have been credited? Yeah, he should've, but he wasn't, and saying that now Timbaland should be shot because of it is wrong. Would I ever do this? No, I think its between the artist and his or herself. This isn't a big moral war between the big bad record label and the independent artists, this is and should be just between the Finnish artist and Timbaland. For God's sake this has NOTHING to do with the RIAA, people are just using this situation to find a way to bitch about the RIAA. We all get it, the RIAA sucks, we all know that, but this has nothing to do with it. The only reason people are making such a big deal out of this is because they want another reason to bitch about the RIAA. You guys want a real reason to bitch about the RIAA? Recently the owner of Warner Brothers Records, Edgar Bonfman Jr., had two of his sons caught for downloading music illegally. Guess what the RIAA did? Nothing. That is real hypocrisy, you guys are just comparing apples to oranges.

Not necessarily, this isn't exactly the most honourable of actions but everyone's throwing too big of a fuss over it because it happens all the time. It wasn't even a straight rip either, one of the best things about the Timbaland song is the drum work which he didn't copy, and he also presented the original in a new way. I'm seen far worse before and this wasn't even a big deal, also I have yet to hear from the original artist himself yet, some of you guys may be getting more offended than he is. Stop acting like this is a travesty to end all travesties.

Not yet, he still has it, I should prolly PM him about it again. Eh, its a very rough breakdown but it will be filled up more around that area. As for source, its from DDR, I should probably link to the original in the first post.

I'm surprised I'm defending him but here's the deal: 1. The song that was "copied" off of wasn't copyrighted, hello no legal groundwork. 2. How long is the song Do It? According to wikipedia, 3:41. Ok, their examples are an 8-second long intro and 7 seconds of a verse/chorus. Truth be told this reminds me a lot of the whole "Michael Jackson created the music for Sonic 3" thing. 3. Timbaland has been record label lawyers behind him, this Finnish guy won't have enough legal power to win this case. 4. Ok, so they sound very similar and knowing Timbaland he probably did rip it off, but here's the deal. Connecting the RIAA suing people to this has absolutely no basis whatsoever, Timbaland is a producer who makes beats for people, the RIAA is a huge money-grubbing machine trying to salvage what it can while the music business goes into a decline. Also, if I were the Finnish artist I'd be happy. Honestly, if it weren't for Timbaland doing this who would've heard of him? Now people are trying to find more of his stuff. Also, Timbaland didn't even rip it off nearly as badly as he could've, he took a Lo-Fi chiptune and turned it into a bangin' R&B track. Besides, this isn't even one of his best productions, Dirt off Your Shoulder and My Love kill this one. 5. Uh, this has been going on forever, from people taking songs into existence and getting famous off of them (I'm looking at you Mr. Presley) to making songs that have similar chord progressions (there was some court case for Nickelback about this, also its happened with Linkin Park and many other times), to plain ol' sampling a bassline, or a melody line off of a record. Nowadays, its becoming less about the melodies, and more about the presentation. Is that a good thing? I dunno, to me it is but to others its not. Point is, singling out Timbaland like this is unfair, considering he's made countless other original pieces of work. My point is this: Did he steal it? Probably, but this isn't even close to the first time its happened and besides, Timbaland's one of the best producers in the rap and R&B game, he and Scott Storch practically ran mainstream music in 2006, this isn't what's going to end his career or anything as he's made countless original beats for people already that were better than this one. Besides, this isn't even one of the singles off of the album, chances are no one bought this album for the song "Do It" over "Maneater" or "Promiscuous"

Not really digging the samples too much, they seem a bit low quality. Also, it gets somewhat repetitive with it just being organs and drums for a while. The synth thing sounds kinda cool, I like that. The guitar is also pretty low quality but it doesn't stand out as much. I like the little flute thing you got going, but once again it seems a bit thin, a London Calling-esque bassline would fit nicely here (long notes, etc). I really like the arrangement of this but the production needs quite a bit stepping up.

After going to that one link in the ringtone thread on GD and after hearing Healing Vision again I realized how remixable it is, so I jumped right on it. After 3 hours of work I've come up with an intro and a problem. Here's the mp3: MP3 Anyway, at the very end you should notice a cheesy chopped-up saw lead kinda thing going, well thats a sketch for how the vocals should go. What vocals you ask? Therein lies the problem. I either need vocal samples or a singer to collab with to add vocals to this, although I will note that if someone wants to help out they must fit under the following criteria: 1. Must be a lady 2. Must be willing to have vocals mangled 3. Must be able to accept the fact I probably won't have them sing a verse on this track 4. Must want their name to be on OCRemix 5. Must like long walks on the beach? Anyway, vocal samples would probably fit better for this as either way I'm going to use the singer/samples like I'm using samples regardless, which is why everything is so chopped up on that saw line, because thats how I'm going to sample the voice (every time a saw note hits will be where the voice is when it hits and at the same pitch) Also, aside from that, any criticism (aside from "fill it up more" and "add more drums" because those are on my to-do list) would be greatly appreciated. EDIT: I forgot to add, the source of this tune is DDR 5th mix, the link to the original is Here

Chop up the wav file in Audacity, exporting samples of individual hits. Export however many hits you need to.

Have the clock tick every half-note or whatever in Ableton Live and on the master channel create automation for the song tempo.

Drum & Bass: Dillinja - Twist 'Em Out Ed Rush, Optical, & Fierce - Alien Girl Pendulum & Freestylers - Painkiller (Noisia Remix) Rap: Aesop Rock - Shovel Molemen - Put Your Quarters Up (Feat. Aesop Rock, MF DOOM, & Slug from Atmosphere) Outkast - So Fresh So Clean Other: A 1-bar Amen Brother Loop I made for whenever I get texted This one ringtone a guy on DOA made where it goes through 12 classic drum and bass breaks with a little ring sound in between each one, its pretty cool.

Nice, working on a Coactive Remix right now Also, what if one of us already has a BTSB CD? Than we exchange it for Synesthetic or Outmoded instead?

Two older songs I'm sure I've posted before (only this time they're mastered) and a new one which my parents love for some reason. Anyway, the link: http://www.myspace.com/thevagrancemusic

No mention of Snakes on a Plane in this topic = phail. I mean, it was totally a spoof on the absurdity of the horror genre, it may have started out serious but after it got floored by the internet hype when they changed the scenes it turned into a spoof.

Haha, nice, I love it, thanks.

Thanks for the replies but I've been back for a couple of days now, I didn't get to see much (we only got to be in the city for one day) and a lot of it centered around my brother's wants but I did get to see Cloudscape (I think thats what its called, that giant chrome kidney bean lookin' thing right about the skating rink), the Sears Tower, and the Chicago Institute Museum (fucking lovely I must say), although I really wish we went to Reckless Records (and we were on Michigan Avenue too! ARGH!). I did get to see Vince Vaughn on the street shooting a movie called Fred Clause or something like that which was cool.

Finally, someone on the staff who gives a thorough and well-thought out response about the matter without saying how terrible Unmod was and how there was nothing worth saving.

This one's a bit hard since I don't have any pics but can anyone get a pic of Susano (from Okami) attacking someone/something with the words "exploding implosion" written on it and an explosion somewhere on it that'd be beyond great.

I have heard multiple times that Logic is the best sequencer around and countless professional electronic producers use it, but I'm not sure about how stripped down the express version is. I think Cerrax uses it so try finding him and PM'ing him.

I've done other remix contests before and all I've ever needed is .wav loops, one for the main melody, each one for the drums, synth loops, bass loops, percussion loop, all just taken straight from the song. Although i guess the .rns files would be nice as well, even if not all the information is in it.