Bahamut

AWESOME. For those of you who can't find it in the big article: This is good news. The 20 gig still lacks WiFi, but for the extra $100 you can get a LOT more storage space if you buy it yourself. In fact I just bought a replacement 2.5" hard drive for my laptop yesterday. 120 gig 7200rpm drive for about $100. With that amount of space you could put your whole collection of games on there for easy and fast loading. Yeah, with a faster read time and more space, this could be excellent news for the PS3 - paying $100 more or so is not a problem if you're giving a potential boost in performance (i.e. with the hard drive loading of games), especially if you invest $600 in the PS3. Kudos to Sony for this.

Here's the draw, and I am kinda miffed that I didn't win with all the moves I did: ;Title: Yahoo! Chess Game ;White: rainmanr2d2 ;Black: ilovepsi84 ;Date: Tue Nov 14 05:13:33 GMT 2006 1. d2-d4 d7-d5 2. c1-f4 e7-e6 3. e2-e3 c7-c5 4. c2-c3 d8-b6 5. b2-b3 g8-f6 6. f1-d3 f8-e7 7. g1-f3 o-o 8. o-o b8-c6 9. b1-d2 c5xd4 10. f3xd4 c6xd4 11. c3xd4 c8-d7 12. a1-c1 f6-e8 13. d1-h5 g7-g6 14. h5-g4 f7-f5 15. g4-g3 e8-f6 16. f4-e5 f6-h5 17. g3-f3 e7-f6 18. e5-c7 b6-b4 19. f3-e2 b4-e7 20. f2-f3 d7-c6 21. c7-a5 e6-e5 22. d2-b1 e5-e4 23. f3xe4 f5xe4 24. d3-b5 c6xb5 25. e2xb5 f6-g5 26. f1-e1 e7-e6 27. b1-c3 h5-f6 28. b5xb7 a8-b8 29. b7xa7 f6-g4 30. c3-d1 g5-h4 31. g2-g3 g4xh2 32. g1xh2 h4xg3+ 33. h2-g2 g3xe1 34. a5xe1 e6-g4+ 35. g2-h2 g4-e2+ 36. d1-f2 f8xf2+ 37. e1xf2 e2xf2+ 38. h2-h1 b8-f8 39. a7-d7 f2-h4+ 40. h1-g1 h4-g3+ 41. g1-h1 g3-f3+ 42. h1-g1 f3-f2+ 43. g1-h1 f2-h4+ 44. h1-g1 h4-f2+ 45. g1-h1

So it looks like Sony is letting you remove and upgrade the hard drive if you wish to

Awesome. I bet they were pissed. I'd sue. In this world I bet they'd win too. They're going to have to put those signs up every time something big comes out that involves lines. It's dick, but Best Buy has every right, it's their property.

You haven't made any kind of arguement whatsoever. You basically said, "THE PS3 IS OVERPRICED!!" Yes, I know people will be frustrated that they won't be able to get the PS3 right away, but they had a chance. If they lined up for pre-orders or go to Best Buy very early they could get one. For the others, they will get one when they can. How is not being able to get one right now because they are sold out vs. not being able to get one right now because the launch is delayed any different? People will be pissed either way. I don't think the people who have been waiting patiently for years for the PS3 will be so put off by having to wait a few months at most that they will swear never to buy one. If that was true the PS2 would have failed, as we were in the EXACT SAME SITUATION when it came out. You couldn't get a PS2 ANYWHERE for months, right during the Christmas season, there were rediculous eBay auctions, and it still became the #1 console. And if Sony keeps it's word we should be seeing a lot more consoles out there by the end of the year. They have the hottest thing out right now. Do you think they are sitting on their hands doing nothing? They are cranking out Blu-Ray drives as fast as possible. The rest of the parts are all built and ready. The Blu-Ray just caused a lot of problems but with time I'm sure manufacturing will pick up. My argument was that the poorer people are the ones most likely to get hit hard by the disappointment - for an example, I have a friend who only makes like $20000 yearly and has a hard time making ends meet, yet he goes out of his way to buy every console/handheld at launch. What type of crap is that? These are the type of people Sony has here - fanatical gamers who don't care how much they're spending, and these are the people who Sony is bound to disappoint, and for a company poised on the edge like Sony is, that is everything right now, unlike at PS2 launch. They need every dollar they can get at this stage to survive to only possibly see blu-ray mature, and that doesn't even guarantee them survival.

This has already been linked here (i.e. PLD), but to be fair this has little to do with Sony and more to do with how the retailers handled the situation and the short supply of PS3s available. Beyond that it's just monetary gain that leads people to do stuff like this. Rich businessman pays poor Chinese men $200 to stand in line for a few days to buy a $600 system. Then sell said system on Yahoo Auction for $1200. There's a $400 profit just for one system, and multiply that buy X and you'll have people making decent coin off of this thing. Supply and demand issues will create this. Not saying Sony is not at all at fault here, but it seems they are producing systems as fast as they can. But $18 million isn't just decent coin - that's an incredible amount! I think Sony should've delayed launch though - there's no reason why delaying the launch would have an adverse effect, considering that people would gulp it up anyway. This shortage is completely Sony's fault. Think about it from Sony's perspective. They have a finished product ready to go, and a public who is clamoring to buy it. Production issues limit the amount of units they can produce by launch, so in order to help out the situation in Japan and the US they delay the European launch to many jeers, even though a worldwide release is very hard to accomplish for such a system. Would you sell all of your available units now, get people so hyped up about it they are willing to pay over $1000 for your system or let Nintendo and Microsoft eat up even more potential customers? Sony is just getting the machine out there. The kids who stood in line for days will surely be bringing all their friends over to play it. Those kids will want one too, and will buy it when the next shipment comes in. How is driving the demand for your system through the roof a bad move for Sony? Who cares if some people make money off of this? It's not like this wasn't the case with the PS2. But also from this perspective, there are surely many buyers who might get pissed off that they payed so much for what is frankly so little (at least at launch). From a purely business perspective, it's dangerous business, especially since it appears that they won't be able to manufacture as much for launch as they did for the PS2 launch, and with this expanded market, it could backfire. They already alienate many consumers with many big incidents, and it partially shows in their huge losses & decreased profit - right now the company is on dangerous ground, and moves like this can only serve to possibly hasten their death. You're telling me the people who managed to get a PS3 at launch are pissed off? If they are so disappointed, then they can easily sell the system on eBay for a large profit. And for those that buy the system in eBay, they obviously really want the system and have enough money to pay that much so I don't see why they would be pissed off. No one is forcing these people to buy the PS3. I really want the system myself, but does the fact that there are people out there right now who have it piss me off? No, because I wasn't willing to camp out all night or pay double the price to have it. Let the fanatics snap it up, and the rest of us who aren't children can deal with the fact that we might have to wait a few months to get the system. I've been waiting for the PS3 a long time now so a few more months isn't going to kill me, and with a lot of the great games out there right now there are plenty of things to keep myself busy with. Delaying the launch would just create the same situation, except at a later date. They (the people who actually bought the console, not anyone else - lets not get sidetracked here) could get pissed off if the console isn't to expectations, and it surely can't be for that price unless they're incredibly rich, but I find it hard to believe that most of the buyers are that rich - my family is a part of the upper middle class and the ebay prices are still considered an extreme extravagence. I have met poor people who will buy whatever console they can at launch, no matter the price, but no such rich person, so I'm inclined to think this is the case. But such people are also probably a significant portion of Sony's game division income, and consequently their overall income (since their other divisions are almost all failing). If Sony thinks their risking consumer loyalty to get the console out quick enough is worth it, then ok, but if one wants to talk about a purely business perspective, there is a large chance that what they did was a misstep in almost every way possible.

This has already been linked here (i.e. PLD), but to be fair this has little to do with Sony and more to do with how the retailers handled the situation and the short supply of PS3s available. Beyond that it's just monetary gain that leads people to do stuff like this. Rich businessman pays poor Chinese men $200 to stand in line for a few days to buy a $600 system. Then sell said system on Yahoo Auction for $1200. There's a $400 profit just for one system, and multiply that buy X and you'll have people making decent coin off of this thing. Supply and demand issues will create this. Not saying Sony is not at all at fault here, but it seems they are producing systems as fast as they can. But $18 million isn't just decent coin - that's an incredible amount! I think Sony should've delayed launch though - there's no reason why delaying the launch would have an adverse effect, considering that people would gulp it up anyway. This shortage is completely Sony's fault. Think about it from Sony's perspective. They have a finished product ready to go, and a public who is clamoring to buy it. Production issues limit the amount of units they can produce by launch, so in order to help out the situation in Japan and the US they delay the European launch to many jeers, even though a worldwide release is very hard to accomplish for such a system. Would you sell all of your available units now, get people so hyped up about it they are willing to pay over $1000 for your system or let Nintendo and Microsoft eat up even more potential customers? Sony is just getting the machine out there. The kids who stood in line for days will surely be bringing all their friends over to play it. Those kids will want one too, and will buy it when the next shipment comes in. How is driving the demand for your system through the roof a bad move for Sony? Who cares if some people make money off of this? It's not like this wasn't the case with the PS2. But also from this perspective, there are surely many buyers who might get pissed off that they payed so much for what is frankly so little (at least at launch). From a purely business perspective, it's dangerous business, especially since it appears that they won't be able to manufacture as much for launch as they did for the PS2 launch, and with this expanded market, it could backfire. They already alienate many consumers with many big incidents, and it partially shows in their huge losses & decreased profit - right now the company is on dangerous ground, and moves like this can only serve to possibly hasten their death.

It's always a pleasure playing with you . As for the second game, if you look at the moves, there is a point towards the end where Marg had a complete advantage, but she disconnected around then and was also low on time like me.

Bahamut wins 1 and draws 1 vs. Margoute. Both games were pretty good, and I probably should've lost both of them. Here's the second game: ;Title: Yahoo! Chess Game ;White: margoute ;Black: ilovepsi84 ;Date: Mon Nov 13 06:19:09 GMT 2006 1. e2-e4 c7-c5 2. g1-f3 g7-g6 3. c2-c3 f8-g7 4. f1-c4 e7-e6 5. o-o d7-d5 6. e4xd5 e6xd5 7. f1-e1+ g8-e7 8. c4-d3 o-o 9. d3-c2 b8-c6 10. d2-d4 c5-c4 11. b2-b3 c4xb3 12. c2xb3 c6-a5 13. b3-c2 a5-c4 14. b1-a3 c4xa3 15. c1xa3 f8-e8 16. a1-b1 b7-b6 17. d1-e2 g7-f8 18. c2-b3 c8-b7 19. c3-c4 d5xc4 20. e2xc4 b7-d5 21. c4-c3 a8-c8 22. c3-d3 d5xb3 23. b1xb3 e7-d5 24. e1xe8 d8xe8 25. a3-b2 d5-f4 26. d3-d1 e8-d8 27. f3-e5 f8-g7 28. d1-g4 g7xe5 29. d4xe5 f4-e6 30. h2-h4 d8-d5 31. h4-h5 a7-a5 32. h5xg6 h7xg6 33. b3xb6 d5xa2 34. b2-d4 a5-a4 35. f2-f4 a2-d2 36. b6-d6 d2-c1+ 37. g1-h2 e6xf4 38. d4-e3 c1-c4 39. e3xf4 c8-e8 40. g4-g5 c4-e4 41. d6-d8 e4-c6 42. d8xe8+ c6xe8 43. g5-f6 g8-h7 44. f6-g5 a4-a3 45. e5-e6 e8xe6 46. f4-e5 e6-f5 47. g5-h4+ f5-h5 48. h4xh5+ g6xh5 49. e5-d6 a3-a2 50. d6-e5 h7-g6 51. e5-a1 g6-g5 52. h2-h3 f7-f5 53. g2-g3 g5-g6 54. h3-h4 g6-h6 55. h4-h3 h6-g5 56. a1-b2

This has already been linked here (i.e. PLD), but to be fair this has little to do with Sony and more to do with how the retailers handled the situation and the short supply of PS3s available. Beyond that it's just monetary gain that leads people to do stuff like this. Rich businessman pays poor Chinese men $200 to stand in line for a few days to buy a $600 system. Then sell said system on Yahoo Auction for $1200. There's a $400 profit just for one system, and multiply that buy X and you'll have people making decent coin off of this thing. Supply and demand issues will create this. Not saying Sony is not at all at fault here, but it seems they are producing systems as fast as they can. But $18 million isn't just decent coin - that's an incredible amount! I think Sony should've delayed launch though - there's no reason why delaying the launch would have an adverse effect, considering that people would gulp it up anyway. This shortage is completely Sony's fault for trying to rush it out before Christmas.

Even worse, $18 million US for PS3s Edit: More PS3 lol - Sony needs to get its act together.

That game looks like a blast! I played the demo of it yesterday and man did I enjoy it. I am getting both versions as soon as I pay off my wii @_@ Seconded, that looks cool, although I dunno when I'll have the cash & time for it...

I haven't played the game so I don't know how all of this game so I don't know just how everything is utilized, but with 40 player multiplayer, massive environments, a 15 hour single player campaign, Insanely awesome normal mapping... etc I can see them using up around this much space; Though I really assume that much of the space was used up because they had the space and didn't feel like compressing things which is usually done with large DVD games. I'm pretty sure leaving it uncompressed also speeds up the game alot since the data doesn't need to be uncompressed, this may be one of the reasons why it the frame rate never hiccups throughout the entire game. Just speculation though. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resistance_%28video_game%29#Storage The game has been downsized to use slightly more than 16 GB. It looks like they just stuffed a bunch of movies on there, which is why it takes up so much space. I'm disliking this push towards more in game cinematics more and more.

You'd think with all that space they have they could afford some decent anti-aliasing. That does not, however, apply to Resistance. That game looks truly kick arse. To be honest, I would expect nothing less from a $600 console. Yeah, hence that parenthetical comment. Some of the Resistance pics though are questionable - there is still a little shoddy work, although it's largely pretty good. I blame the computer graphics people though, not the PS3.

Those pics do not impress me at all (at least of Lair). Much of them show a lack of polish overall and use tricks like lighting to cover up some of the poor quality in some of them. However, I couldn't careless. These screens show nothing unique to me. I'll judge when I actually play the system hands on, but until then I'll be selling PS3s throughout the holidays to save up money, and possibly one next year if Sony shows that they aren't as dirty as they've shown so far and if enough worthwhile games come out for it.

Bahamut wins two vs. Fire.

http://threespeech.com/blog/2006/11/09/phil-harrison-interview/ No downloading on the PS3 except through Sony's online store . 'Tis to be expected but still sucks.

R-O-F-L

I won a half match vs Dama.

Holy shit fanboys are crazy Oh and http://www.gametab.com/news/734400/ - the PSP finally gets some more promise.

I remember eating at a small restaurant at ~75th & Broadway, damn was it good for the price (the place has pizza, soups, and lots of stuff there). It might be too small for our corterie though.

The only case I have that even closely resembles that is the tin that Serenity came in, and even then a normal DVD case was inside. That won't stick out further when put on a shelf with normal games/DVDs, will it? I hope not... It looks kind of squat so maybe it's the same height as a regular DVD case. There is enough wasted space in regular DVD cases as it is that I sure hope they don't make them bigger. I guess the blue part is supposed to indicate it's a Blu-Ray game, but if there are DVD games for the PS3 will they be in regular cases? It would suck to have more than one type of case. I'm totally into having my games looking neat on a shelf. It does look nice though. My guess is that all the games will be on blu-ray discs, since Sony is known for pushing standards for development on their consoles (i.e. using a certain amount of 3D in PS1 games).

Fuck Nintendo, this thread isn't about Nintendo.

Nintendo is notorious for milking people the most for their money. I thought this thread was a PS3 thread though. Complaining about the Virtual Console is pretty silly in this thread and in general. The whole premise of the online distribution of games is that it's their first offerings for downloading many of them legally. They have every right do make these offerings and they aren't wrong in any way decrying the ROMs and ISOs and such.