Sockpuppet Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 MAY 21 UPDATE ReMix: Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vz29y40RjsY First version: http://tindeck.com/listen/iywr This is a ReMix of the cave theme in Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow/(Green). I tried to make it a lot more 'mellow' than the source track. This remix only uses 0:00-0:24 and 1:11-1:20 of the source track, since the rest was pretty much unusable for the direction I went in. It's a bit liberal, but I did a quick check and I'm pretty sure it's got just enough source for site rules. I just need a bit of help fixing up the production a bit, and maybe work on those transitions if people don't like them much. (If it's unclear, 0:00-1:55, 2:24-2:37 and 4:22-end of the remix is based around 0:00-0:24 of the source, and 2:37-4:19 of the remix is based entirely off of 1:11-1:20 of the source) EDIT: The ReMix is now called "Moondrops", thanks to Emunator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redtails Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 It's odd how I can't seem to remember any music from any of the pokemon games.. Well except for the touhoumon games, those were just pure classy.. First impressions.. background cave noises are alright to start with, you surely got the essence of the song right there. When the piano, drumming and bass comes in the song really does come alive. Not sure if this is real drumming or sequenced, but it's very well done. Background wah-wah that starts at 1:04min is just super annoying. There's an odd moment of silence at 1:26, sounds like one instrument falls out? Melody that starts at 2:34 sounds fresh and new. I'd personally use a sampled harp for that if you have one. Organ that starts at 2:45 could have been a slightly better sample (sounds a bit lo-fi) Pizzicato that starts at 3:38 could be louder Overall, pretty relaxed song. Chiptune breakdown at 5:00 was a new addition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halc Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 impressive work mapping this theme to a listenable progression. because the original song is terrible. this reminds me of OA's 'Letting Go' (a very good thing). loving the chippy stuff at the end there. nice drums too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Stupidity Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Very enjoyable. I don't know if I have anything to add. I liked all the synths you used and the drums are incredible. You may have some work production-wise, but I really wouldn't change anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sockpuppet Posted January 6, 2011 Author Share Posted January 6, 2011 Thank you for your feedback, guys! First impressions.. background cave noises are alright to start with, you surely got the essence of the song right there. When the piano, drumming and bass comes in the song really does come alive. Not sure if this is real drumming or sequenced, but it's very well done. Nah, it's not real. Everything in this is sequenced (all in Reason 4), it's just an excellent sample. Background wah-wah that starts at 1:04min is just super annoying. There's an odd moment of silence at 1:26, sounds like one instrument falls out?:lol:Yeah, I got a bit carried away with that wah-wah thing. Should I tone it down (like lessen the frequency changes or spread it out more) or just remove it completely?I'm pretty sure that dropout is the drums. I'll have a look and fix that up. Melody that starts at 2:34 sounds fresh and new. I'd personally use a sampled harp for that if you have one. Organ that starts at 2:45 could have been a slightly better sample (sounds a bit lo-fi) Pizzicato that starts at 3:38 could be louderActually that is a sampled harp. So... a different sampled harp then? I'll be sure to fix those things to. Thanks Redtails!impressive work mapping this theme to a listenable progression. because the original song is terrible. Haha, I know what you mean. I kinda remembered liking this song, probably because I'd only really heard the somewhat decent intro ingame (thanks to those damn Zubats. Maybe that's why there's so many of them) but that middle bit in particular is a complete mess. Which is why I didn't use it. Thanks everyone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redtails Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 :lol:Yeah, I got a bit carried away with that wah-wah thing. Should I tone it down (like lessen the frequency changes or spread it out more) or just remove it completely? You need the wah-wahs at 1:55, before that you can try to hide them behind sound or remove them, but they're definitely necessary after 1:55 Actually that is a sampled harp. So... a different sampled harp then? I'll be sure to fix those things to. Oh excuse me for that. Perhaps if you make the harp slightly louder, the character of the harp sound comes forward, otherwise use a different harp yes Much obliged that I could be of help to you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sockpuppet Posted January 7, 2011 Author Share Posted January 7, 2011 Update: *Removed the wah-wah from the first bit, toned it down at other points *Gap in drums fixed *Harp and Pizzicato turned up a little (I checked and I don't have any other good harp samples) I really like that rhodes sample at 2:45 though, so I left it in. Sorry Redtails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redtails Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Update: *Removed the wah-wah from the first bit, toned it down at other points *Gap in drums fixed *Harp and Pizzicato turned up a little (I checked and I don't have any other good harp samples) The fixes sound great, always remember it's your arrange! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NegimaSonic Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Wow I like what you did here. Sounds great while I'm STILL waiting to hear the Pokemon Album from here, this is some great work. Would be awesome if it did manage to get on site. You brought a lot more to this mix than the source had haha. Oh and as far as like a rule on original source, I think someone once did a remix of something that was only 8 seconds long (perhaps on the Jingle album or something around here). I'm no expert but I think there's more than enough variation going on here for it to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sockpuppet Posted April 26, 2011 Author Share Posted April 26, 2011 Curses, foiled again: http://ocremix.org/forums/showthread.php?t=34426 But I'll definitely be fixing this up and resubbing within the next few weeks. As soon as I fix a few issues with the project file that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emunator Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 If it's any consolation, I would have given you a YES vote if I'd been on the panel Probably why I'm not a judge, lol... At any rate, this is a really solid song and it really should be super-easy to fix up. I'll keep my eye on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sockpuppet Posted May 21, 2011 Author Share Posted May 21, 2011 Haha, I'm so lazy... But I finally got around to fixing this up! Boosted the drums and added a proper transition, as the judges suggested, and also did a bit of general mixing/mastering. I think this is pretty much finished so I'm putting it straight to mod reveiew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guifrog Posted May 21, 2011 Share Posted May 21, 2011 SO flooooating with this *___* feels so light and pure! I'm not liking those ton-tons that play throughout the first half of the track (1:07-09; 1:11-13; 1:21-23; 1:25-27; 1:34-36; 1:38-39; 1:47-49; 1:51-52). I mean, they work well as bridges for repeating a key or getting to new ones, but it sounds outta the flow when they're put on those places, specially with that same pattern repeating over and over. You could probably put them back a bit to see how it goes, or add some more dynamics/articulations? Also, cymbal and snare's a bit rigid; velocity variations would do them good! The transition to the second half's great for me! I'll quote Vig and TO, though; it's hard to make a song that flows nice and smoothly when you intend to divide it into three acts. The way you've done it, where you set a break in the middle that's more fast-paced than the rest (which have similar soundscapes set) and have new elements coming in, makes me in doubt on whether there's a solid direction or not. My opinion is that it feels like the second half's the part that'll end the track. As you can see, it also divides crits I love those synths. The wah-wah-windy thing that starts on the second half adds to it beautifully. During the ending, that sine wave's so timid "^^, but I have no problems with it. Piano's really pretty, well worked and slides like liquid; organ was a nice touch, too. Well, that's my coins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.L.Condon Posted May 21, 2011 Share Posted May 21, 2011 I love your interpretation this song! I really hope this gets posted. Everything flows really nicely in this song. It is really smooth and relaxing, yet it maintains my interest. I really don't have anything to add so good job and good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGH Posted May 21, 2011 Share Posted May 21, 2011 Transition = hypnotic Maybe lower the volume of the mono synth during the transition a little bit. It drowns out the piano just a bit. Everything else is perfect about that transition, imho The leads are pretty simple, but you know what damn it, they WORK. For the atmosphere of the song especially. The percussion is a lot better too. My hat's off to you, sir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow Taradien Posted May 21, 2011 Share Posted May 21, 2011 Damn man... I never thought this song could sound this way. Its so good... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psychowolf Posted May 21, 2011 Share Posted May 21, 2011 Gotta admit i found this remix and downloaded it in its earlier beta stage, and even in its beta i loved it. theres something about it... kinda floaty love the piano with the sinth in the background youve done quite well with this sockpuppet5, this is going on my mp3 regardless of wether its accepted by ocremix judges but i think it definately is worthy of getting through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sockpuppet Posted May 22, 2011 Author Share Posted May 22, 2011 Thanks for all your comments, everyone! Maybe lower the volume of the mono synth during the transition a little bit. It drowns out the piano just a bit. Everything else is perfect about that transition, imho I see what you mean. I'll fix that right away. I'm not liking those ton-tons that play throughout the first half of the track (1:07-09; 1:11-13; 1:21-23; 1:25-27; 1:34-36; 1:38-39; 1:47-49; 1:51-52). I mean, they work well as bridges for repeating a key or getting to new ones, but it sounds outta the flow when they're put on those places, specially with that same pattern repeating over and over. You could probably put them back a bit to see how it goes, or add some more dynamics/articulations? Also, cymbal and snare's a bit rigid; velocity variations would do them good! Haha yeah, acoustic drum writing is definitely one of my weak points. I'll see what I can do about that. I'll quote Vig and TO, though; it's hard to make a song that flows nice and smoothly when you intend to divide it into three acts. The way you've done it, where you set a break in the middle that's more fast-paced than the rest (which have similar soundscapes set) and have new elements coming in, makes me in doubt on whether there's a solid direction or not. My opinion is that it feels like the second half's the part that'll end the track. As you can see, it also divides crits I'm not really sure what to do about this. Personally I'm happy with the arrangement as it is, but I can see why it bugs some people. At this point there's not much I can do without removing large sections and/or completely rewriting it, neither of which I want to do. Although... do you think it would at least be a little better if I made the 3:53-4:22 a bit smoother?Anyway, certainly something I need to think about. Thanks again guys! I really appreciate the help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guifrog Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 I've got another suggestion: try putting that windy key, 2:36-3:01, as a substitute for 3:53-4:22. The way this key ends sounds perfect to me for that snare transition to the 3rd act, and the cool sounding synths that for now begin at 3:02 seem to suit great as a 2nd act opener, once the necessary adjustments get done. Both problems could be solved with only one move, so I say try it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emunator Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 I just want to point out that I'm gonna flip a bitch if this song still doesn't pass the panel in this form It's way too awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Gill Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 I don't have any critiques right this moment, but I just want to second the fact that this sounds awesome. Nice work with taking this source and making it so smooth sounding and flowy...I'd really like to see this on the front page! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sockpuppet Posted May 24, 2011 Author Share Posted May 24, 2011 I've got another suggestion: try putting that windy key, 2:36-3:01, as a substitute for 3:53-4:22. The way this key ends sounds perfect to me for that snare transition to the 3rd act, and the cool sounding synths that for now begin at 3:02 seem to suit great as a 2nd act opener, once the necessary adjustments get done. Both problems could be solved with only one move, so I say try it! Hm, that's a possibility. I really like that windy synth where it is now though. Maybe if I just do something similar at 3:53. I'll try a few things and see what works. I'll see if I can get another, hopefully final update up today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guifrog Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 Sure, go ahead sir Yea, I'd also throw some very salty pizzas and shoot olives at the judges if they didn't pass this one, even with at least a conditional on ton-tons. This is soooo sweet for a salty evaluation! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sockpuppet Posted May 24, 2011 Author Share Posted May 24, 2011 lol don't worry, I'm fixing the ton-tons too. And making the drum patterns a little bit more interesting while I'm at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkSim Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 Just gonna chime in here and say I really like this. It's relaxing, which was a change of pace for me as I usually go for higher tempo, more energetic stuff, but after a couple of listens I'm nodding off (in a good way). If I had any crits, it'd be that at times maybe it's too slow moving, and there's not too much going on in the soundscape, however that's probably just a personal taste thing. Some of the drum sounds sound a little far back as well, especially from 0:51-1:00. I get what you're trying to do there, it just sounds a bit odd. The verb on the violin after that is a little much I reckon, but it might be due to a bad sample so you need it that high. Try turning it down a touch, or maybe add a bit more chorus as well. Not sure on that - and I'm being super-critical anyway! No problem with the first transition, in fact it's my favourite part! The second one works well, too. Nice work! Those organ chords sound great. Wacky idea instead of a fade-out: have the DELELELELE wild Pokémon alarm go off, followed by the zubat screech! A surefire way to wake up anyone who fell asleep. Or not. Good luck with the sub Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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