Bleck Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 wait oh I see it's because you're bad oh my god I'm becoming tensei Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zircon Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 Yeah and to be fair, don't you play mostly bot games as opposed to ranked like Jeff does...? I agree that Ahri is really strong because of her huge mobility, low mana costs, ranged disable and solid nukes. I think Xerath is pretty strong too... he reminds me of a Ryze with more range, but a similar amount of spell spam. If I had to pick the top AP mids I would probably say (in no particular order) Ahri, Brand, Morgana, Kassadin and Xerath. They all compete on a similar level. All have long-range pokes and big teamfight presence. Orianna, Annie, Sion and Kennen would be the tier after IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleck Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 Yeah and to be fair, don't you play mostly bot games as opposed to ranked like Jeff does...? nope I mostly play normal draft and right now I'm in some ranked tourney a friend roped me into also contrary to popular belief actively playing ranked games does not magically make someone a good player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dexie Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 Just for fun, I looked at Elementz' solo queue tier list (Yes, I know, lol Elementz) just to see what he thinks on the top AP champs. In order, they are: Morgana, Ryze, Cass, Karthus, Kennen, Kass, and Xerath in tier one. Ahri's the top AP in tier 2. I feel bad for poor Heimer, alllll the way down at the bottom. He was one of the first champs I learned to play really well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tensei Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 (edited) waitoh my god I'm becoming tensei Yeah, except I never use that argument to say that someone's wrong. E: Anyway, you guys should just 1v1 each other to see who's right. Edited December 26, 2011 by Tensei Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prophetik music Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Yeah and to be fair, don't you play mostly bot games as opposed to ranked like Jeff does...?I agree that Ahri is really strong because of her huge mobility, low mana costs, ranged disable and solid nukes. I think Xerath is pretty strong too... he reminds me of a Ryze with more range, but a similar amount of spell spam. If I had to pick the top AP mids I would probably say (in no particular order) Ahri, Brand, Morgana, Kassadin and Xerath. They all compete on a similar level. All have long-range pokes and big teamfight presence. Orianna, Annie, Sion and Kennen would be the tier after IMO. of those, i feel that kass, brand, and ahri are the top, with morgana and xerath lower ONLY because they require more skill imo to play at the same level. a pretty good xerath is the same as a darn good morgana - although that changes based on who got fed first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zircon Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Oops, yeah, I left out Cass. Almost NO ONE picks her but she is incredibly strong. of those, i feel that kass, brand, and ahri are the top, with morgana and xerath lower ONLY because they require more skill imo to play at the same level. a pretty good xerath is the same as a darn good morgana - although that changes based on who got fed first. Morg requires more skill to be good in a teamfight, definitely. But she is really easy in lane because of her no-brainer farming and sustain, plus her shield prevents harass even if she misses her snare. So it's a mix... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleck Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Oops, yeah, I left out Cass. Almost NO ONE picks her but she is incredibly strong. a good cass is so fucking terrifying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eternal Zero Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Bleck is right. Playing ranked means nothing. In LoL all playing ranked means is that you're willing to put up with trolls and idiots who think they're tough shit with improper knowledge of the metagame and speak with the vernacular of a twelve year old boy. Btw in my personal opinion top 3 AP mids in order are Cass, Morg, and Ahri. Biggest part of a strong mid is a consistent disable and these guys make the mark quite easily. Orianna, Brand and Karthus are the next three because they lack a consistent disable. Also as you know I really dislike Brand as a hero so he probably belongs just above Ahri objectively but oh well. LeBlanc and Heimer deserve honorable mentions cause they really dish out solid damage as well but have more specific uses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleck Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 LeBlanc, I think, is a really good example of how a really strong champ is hurt by mechanics that are objectively more difficult to pull off than others specifically, her only form of cc being not only a skillshot but one that she has to land and then put herself in danger to actually activate seems kind of unfair compared to say annie or ahri or ryze's respective forms of cc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Derrit Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 victor looks like he'd make a really good support champion even though that's not really what he's made for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brushfire Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 Ahri is so fucking good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleck Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 yes she is but she's not nearly as good as a lot of people think (ie she's not overpowered) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tensei Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 "Maybe if you're bad." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleck Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 tensei stop trolling I mean fuck seriously Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleck Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 GOD whiteyrdy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brushfire Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 Oh hi little guy that is trying to run away! Lemme just blow you a kiss... What's that you want to come back towards me and get destroyed by all my moves. What you survived? Well lemme dive towards you! 1... 2... 3... Jeffery Starship is Godlike! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prophetik music Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 (edited) GOD whiteyrdy not as funny when you clearly just waited out the post timer, implying you have nothing to do but troll euros. i have been playing kennen roughly average lately. i've had several games now where i get nothing early (like, 1-5-5) and end up going 12-7-10 or so. i've also had games where i get fed early (like 6-2-6) and then finish 6-4-15 or so. he's an assist magnet with pikachu and his ult, and if you do what i do and build spellvamp, he's always full of hp until he gets focused and trololdeads. plus a 450 damage shuriken every 2.5s is retarded. he's loads of fun and i've not played another character since i picked him up except for one singed game where i autofarmed assists like a boss. i feel that he's like tryndamere in that he can just farm all over the place and then get away if he's ganked mid-game really easily, and in that he's so tough to shut down because his stun has so much utility anywhere. even better than a sion or someone. plus his map mobility lets him be everywhere at once. so much fun. i'm also farming a lot better with him, since energy is the best thing ever. rumble, kat, or karth is next for me. i need ap and i need to learn casters more. Edited December 30, 2011 by prophetik music Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleck Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 not as funny when you clearly just waited out the post timer, implying you have nothing to do but troll euros. yeah man if I have thirty seconds with which to do something during the day than clearly I have no life or something it's not even like I could have been doing something else on my computer while I waited! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Derrit Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 karth is next for me. good choice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zircon Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 I dunno... I think all 3 of those are not the best picks around. * Kat is a bit of a noob champion. She's not effective against competent players/teams, because she is stopped by a single stun/silence (not to mention you can just run away from her ult.) She also has to be up close to do damage, and yet she's not tanky in any way. * Rumble is a solid top for sure, and sort of in the same role as Singed - a tanky, AP bully that excels at close range. But he's not really a caster per se. * Karthus is strong if you excel with his Q and W, BUT, in my experience, it's very easy to do badly with him. If you die early/out of position or don't get farmed he gets really weak. I would try Cass or Kass! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleck Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 yeah definitely go with cass or kass - cass is not only very strong and fun but also has the element of surprise because almost nobody plays as her kass is the anti-caster and will basically shut down almost any other caster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prophetik music Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 I dunno... I think all 3 of those are not the best picks around.* Kat is a bit of a noob champion. She's not effective against competent players/teams, because she is stopped by a single stun/silence (not to mention you can just run away from her ult.) She also has to be up close to do damage, and yet she's not tanky in any way. * Rumble is a solid top for sure, and sort of in the same role as Singed - a tanky, AP bully that excels at close range. But he's not really a caster per se. * Karthus is strong if you excel with his Q and W, BUT, in my experience, it's very easy to do badly with him. If you die early/out of position or don't get farmed he gets really weak. I would try Cass or Kass! i want rumble as a tanky dps ap character. i'd like to try kat for the heck of it. and i want karth because he's a total dick. i mean, why not? =) i like trollface characters, so he'd be fun. cass is another one that'd be fun to try, but she's kind of expensive. i'd have to wait for a free week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garian Posted January 10, 2012 Author Share Posted January 10, 2012 Guys, we still be playing this game and btw dominion sucks! :V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BardicKnowledge Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Kat doesn't really need to rely on her ult in teamfights to do well. It's useful for sure, but the raw damage on her E and Q instantly refreshing when anyone dies is what makes her good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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