The Author Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 Rogues are not easymode. To reach that level of damage, a rogue has to do much much more than just "spam SS for the win." I have respeced 5 times so far, and depending on what items I have, I may have to do it again. Good rogues demand constant tweaking. Small readjustment in our strategies, and the best understanding of aggro since we always walk on that thin line between aggroing and doing nothing. Selecting enchants on weapons demand a good understanding of the group dynamics. We lack healers in the guild, so I have to go for self reliance enchants like lifestealing and crusader. This is done at the cost of better damage. One could say healer is easy mode. All you have to do is stand around and throw healing spells. I seriously doubt all of you have studied carefully, spending almost an hours expirementing between various equipment sets. Selecting the offhand weapon and testing it can do a up to a 30 dps difference if you pick the right one. And sometimes, it means taking the less obvious choice. Pop quizz: best offhand between http://thottbot.com/?i=38570 Trash blade and http://thottbot.com/?i=5252 Hanzo sword for a sword specialist? Same question but for a hemorage rogue? These questions are how rogues get so strong. Thinking about every detail possible, evaluating all options, and doing hours upon hours of calculation and experimentation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zircon Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 Yes, they do take skill, but they are comparably powerful and easy to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Author Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 Yes, they do take skill, but they are comparably powerful and easy to play. Every class is easy to play. But I have never questionned my equipment as badly as I do with a rogue. Every item you chose can radically weaken your character. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suzumebachi Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 gear dependency could be said for every class except for maybe shamans, druids, and beast spec hunters. hunters can be the same way. except unfortunately for hunters, there's only 2 possible specs that are viable in end-game. 0/21/30, and 0/31/20. that's it. all other specs are going to be passed over for one of the above. the only point in going for beast mastery would be for PvP (however in the next patch not even that will be viable since pets can't attack players anymore). just like priests. shadow priests may be good in PvP, but when was the last time you saw a shadow priest in an MC group? druids probably have it worst though. if you aren't restore, you aren't going ANYWHERE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zircon Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 Suzu, we have several non-resto druids that go to MC and even BWL with us. Moonkin is a great spec for the +3% crit aura, and they put out decent DPS too. Rogues love Feral spec Druids with the melee crit aura too, and we have a Feral spec Druid who uses all blue gear yet still makes it into the top 10 on the meters. I shudder to think of how much he'll do with a Herald of Woe and MC non-Druid set epics. Also; ZG- Zul'Gurub. lvl 60; 20 man. ZG is the most recent dungeon added to the game. It is said to be harder than MC, however my guild is currently working on clearing it. We've cleared 5 bosses so far, and we've yet to even attempt MC. It's still definately no walk in the park though. Lots of good drops here, including many epics. It's not necessarily harder than MC; it's not as linear. MC bosses up to Rag are all straightforward. You can basically get 'em all on the first attempt, except maybe Domo and Garr. Hell, my guild did it and we're definitely no superstars in PVE. On the other hand, ZG requires a higher level of individual skill and strategy for each boss fight. Even trash mobs are harder than MC. However, it typically requires less gear and allows for a few more mistakes than MC. IMO anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suzumebachi Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 yeah the trash mobs are definately harder in ZG. hell you could wipe a whole group on one giant berserker troll if you're not paying attention. and clearing the area before the spider boss is pure hell. i've got a feral spec druid alt. he's awesome for solo PvE, but i got dropped from a freaking BFD (yes, BFD) group for not healing... apparently a priest and a shaman isn't enough healing for a 5 man group. -.-' i've definately learned how to play hunter a lot better from my experience in ZG. i can DPS like mad now and not pull any aggro at all. when i get low on mana, i'll either stick to autoshot for a while, or FD, drink some water, turn off auto-growl and send my pet in to cover for me for a bit. i've saved the group from total wipes. on the snake boss i was the last person standing and got in the killing shot just in time to finish the fight. should have heard the cheering on vent. good times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuitarNinja Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 What I like about ZG is, to me, it's a better test of skill. Becuse it's smaller and tough, it's enjoyable to see how well one performs with a small group, with out five or so of your other class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raenok Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 I am currently a level 10 Orc Hunter on the Alleria server. I have some questions that need answering. 1.) I'm thinking of going to First Aid and Fishing. Would they be beneficial to my job? 2.) I'm looking for a pet around the Durotar area that has high damage, but can hold itself in battle. Would a Tiger do the job? 3.) What should I spend my Talent points on? I'm looking to be beneficial in PvP, PvE, and Instances. I make post! For the Horde! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zircon Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 I am currently a level 10 Orc Hunter on the Alleria server. I have some questions that need answering.1.) I'm thinking of going to First Aid and Fishing. Would they be beneficial to my job? 2.) I'm looking for a pet around the Durotar area that has high damage, but can hold itself in battle. Would a Tiger do the job? 3.) What should I spend my Talent points on? I'm looking to be beneficial in PvP, PvE, and Instances. I make post! For the Horde! 1) First Aid and Fishing are secondary skills. Anyone can take them. Primary skills are things like Blacksmithing and Engineering. First Aid is useful for ANYONE no matter what class or level. Fishing.. not so much. It helps with Cooking (a secondary) and Alchemy, but otherwise not a whole lot. 2) Tigers are excellent all-around pets. 3) With Hunters it is totally up to you, really. A combination of Marksmanship and Survival would be a good bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuitarNinja Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 I am currently a level 10 Orc Hunter on the Alleria server. I have some questions that need answering.1.) I'm thinking of going to First Aid and Fishing. Would they be beneficial to my job? 2.) I'm looking for a pet around the Durotar area that has high damage, but can hold itself in battle. Would a Tiger do the job? 3.) What should I spend my Talent points on? I'm looking to be beneficial in PvP, PvE, and Instances. I make post! For the Horde! You can get both, but FIrst Aid will help a bit more in end game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mecca Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 Which sites do you lot use for free WoW movies? Looking for things like yonder 'World of Roguecraft' etc, but most sites require signup and even premium membership . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellywu2 Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 I would say get a boar or bear probably. Generally i find them more useful in pve than a cat. Cats deal more damage, but dont have as much armour or HP as a bear. Another plus is that boars and bears eat anything! even summoned mage food which is nice this is a good site for info on pets http://petopia.brashendeavors.net/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Author Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 I would say get a boar or bear probably. Generally i find them more useful in pve than a cat. Cats deal more damage, but dont have as much armour or HP as a bear. Another plus is that boars and bears eat anything! even summoned mage food which is nice Boars will get a nice charge ability next patch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mecca Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 ..There goes me hitting 53 before the other rogue and getting that full SS award Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zircon Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 Which sites do you lot use for free WoW movies? Looking for things like yonder 'World of Roguecraft' etc, but most sites require signup and even premium membership . warcraftmovies.com Learn2Click on the proper link mecca; don't worry. It's so easy to level that you'll be 60 in no time, and then stormshroud will be garbage. Even shadowcraft ain't that great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Author Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 Which sites do you lot use for free WoW movies? Looking for things like yonder 'World of Roguecraft' etc, but most sites require signup and even premium membership . warcraftmovies.com Learn2Click on the proper link mecca; don't worry. It's so easy to level that you'll be 60 in no time, and then stormshroud will be garbage. Even shadowcraft ain't that great. Shadowcraft beats not having shadowcraft. Unless you have 8 different specific blues that rarelly drop, it's safe to say SC will be a good bet. But, still, Cadaverous armor, eye of rend, devilsaur leggings, devilsaur gloves, (or blademaster's leggings and gargoile slasher) shadowcraft bracers, and shadowcraft belt, is a good combo as well. (bracer and belt are BOE so you can buy them on AH...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mecca Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 ...completely missing the point here, which is that the game won't fucking install Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Author Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 Install again. That installer is a messed up piece of software... Or if the install was completed and only the patch is missing, delete the patch content, defrag, reboot, done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mecca Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 Install again. That installer is a messed up piece of software...Or if the install was completed and only the patch is missing' date=' delete the patch content, defrag, reboot, done.[/quote'] Nah it's the installer for the actual game..i've tried everything from making iso's and mounting them to downloading the game itself..no luck If i give someone my login will you get me to lv53 plz? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suzumebachi Posted December 2, 2005 Share Posted December 2, 2005 contact the WoW tech support. or something. are you reinstalling? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mecca Posted December 2, 2005 Share Posted December 2, 2005 contact the WoW tech support. or something. are you reinstalling? Aye, just reformatted, and trying to get back on track toward endgames (just saw a video of molten core..can't wait). Still not seen Onxyia tho..i'm leaving that surprise for when I'm doing it myself Really frustrating considering I've already paid and activated my subscription. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Author Posted December 2, 2005 Share Posted December 2, 2005 contact the WoW tech support. or something. are you reinstalling? Aye, just reformatted, and trying to get back on track toward endgames (just saw a video of molten core..can't wait). Still not seen Onxyia tho..i'm leaving that surprise for when I'm doing it myself Really frustrating considering I've already paid and activated my subscription. Onyxia is something. The "instance" itself is straightforward. 4 mobs, 1 corridor, and then boom, dragon's room. Probably as big as the central island of Thunder Bluff. At that point, all hell breaks loose. Molten Core is a longer run. My former guild only made it up to Magmadaar but even that can take a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zircon Posted December 2, 2005 Share Posted December 2, 2005 Yeah. Onyxia is just a boss fight and that's basically it. MC is a dungeon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Author Posted December 2, 2005 Share Posted December 2, 2005 My guild downed Hakkar for the first time yesterday. It was also the first time they got to him but I don't know if it was the first attempt or not. I sadly was on the bench. I think I'll wait until that instance is on farm status before going there, they seem overly serious about it (up to yelling at some people on vent) and that is just bad karma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zircon Posted December 2, 2005 Share Posted December 2, 2005 Heh.. you don't need anything but a good tank and 8 healers (w/ consuambles) to beat Hakkar. You have have 11 other guys with green gear and still do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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