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huh, I see nothing wrong with 1:07. That said, the whole thing isn't something I'd likely remix, ever.

I thought it was priceless to have a game take the piss out of me.

I'd say that'd depend very much on the style. Even though it might be questionable to squash everything to the limit, it's done in commercial music all the time, so I don't see why OCR wouldn't accept a brickwalled mix per se, even though the listening experience might be exhausting. Shit, listen to Beatdrop mixes I always thought the term 'clipping' was reserved for actually going past 0dB and the resulting distortion, btw. Not the brickwall sound. So that caused some confusion for me. Anyway, I just never bothered with analyzing waveforms and just go by the 'sounds good to me' formula. Still, I went down another 5% in volume and checked it with a dBmeter now, and it doesn't look like a brickwall to me. It loosely hovers around -6, the brass stabs and swells being a little louder. I'm sure it's not the audiophile jazz recording standard either, but it seems like a good enough compromise between loudness and clarity. If it still hurts your ears, sorry for that in advance Blad, ol chap!! So you're still around...I take it LAOS' many assassination attempts have ultimately failed

Heh, I edited my post while you wrote yours. It's actually just the small combo version that has the way overpowering bass. Confuusion I just noticed something else though. The lower guitar notes are conflicting with the bass at times and cause muddyness. I won't upload a new version just for that though. I'll have another look at the arrangement and the next upload will probably be pretty much final.

Ieek, that's what happens when you mix just with headphones. The bass is totally overpowered in the barebone version. About the normal version: The bass drum really isn't that loud. The most peaking drum sound is definitely the snare. I've been wondering if it's too overpowering at times. But I really don't hear any clipping. I didn't hear any when it was louder, but reducing the volume was probably a good idea for clarity's sake. Oh wait, I hear one or two pops, but they don't happen when it's really loud. Seems to be a rendering error. If you seem to hear clipping or static or however you call it, could you specify where it's the most apparent? I hear a pop at 1:33, right after a pretty loud peak. That's it for me. The pipe sound fx thing might work. Bit cheesy/overdone, but maybe I can mimic it with a real instrument

That'd be arrangement issues What I was trying to say is that it's easy to sound like 'I don't want your criticism' when there are some criticized aspects about a tune that I do like for whatever reason. My disagreement isn't defensive at all, you're free to hate the whole tune with every fibre of your body, but I already got that you rather like it It'd be an option to just shut up and read the untainted impressions people get, but I felt like writing something to explain my choices, s'all. I toned down the volume by 15% for testers. Feels like it gained a little bit of clarity. You judge. http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?5hemgykmtxz Also did a pretty quick edit with just drums, bass, guitar and piano. Just a bit of fun, highlights the rhythm section nicely too. http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?2qzb2tmwnzq

Appreciated man! This one just happens to be a mix I'm pretty happy with arrangement wise. Maybe I shouldn't even have posted this one as a consequence or just asked you guys about mixing issues, but hey, if it won't work for OCR you'll at least have heard it Also, if several people agree on certain arrangement issues it's still worth considering, even to just learn something about people's taste. So you're not wasting your words at all.

Yeah It's all limited. That's why I'm suggesting the clipping you hear might be something else. Oh yeah, I thought about the athletic track! But truth be told, I could just midirip that one and put it in there, and it'd fit perfectly. Bit too easy. I could change it up, but I think the mix has enough upbeat tunes in there for now. If anything I'd tone it down more (The underground section is my favorite). Heh, matter of taste. I think the intro sounds fake and overly frantic, but I really like it I killed the melody at some parts because I'm a bit more fond of the guitar/bass arrangement, actually The piano is mostly there to doodle away at the melodies, and I didn't do a whole lot to them most of the time. the 1:05 chiptune bit is actually the only quick way i found to go back to double speed...I had a pretty long transition written but it wouldn't work! 1:48 is definitely abrupt, but I don't know, I'm in medley mode by then, I can live with it. Heh, maybe a little piano reprise of the last SMB2 bit could work.

That'd be Thanatos's theme, which is more like Gamelan Industrial or something. I tried to build that one into the mix as well, btw. The one I remixed is played in the temple next to that zombified town. The bell sample is tuned authentically, and he follows some traditional patterns used in that music, like the initiating gong, the simple version of the melody played by one instrument and the complex and ornate one by another. you do, but not a worthy one as of yet Yup, definitely. Well I think the DnB stuff is rubbish. I'd need something similar to the Pendulum sound, but the only thing I can pull off in a half-assed way is Venetian Snares http://www.soniccouture-gamelan.com/kontakt.htm the download version @ 49 pounds.

There shouldnt be any clipping...the bass patch has a lot of string buzz though when played at high velocity, and that sounds a little bit like clipping at places I guess. If it's not that, please tell me where you hear definite clipping noise. Right now I find the bass pretty muddy at times though. Which is weird, never minded it before. Well, I'm pretty much done with this one arrangement wise, only fixed some off sounding stuff in the guitar track. And a better ending to come, maybe. But I won't make a 5 minute giga medley out of it, I think that'd get really boring after a while. Plus I'm not motivated to work on it atm because you can only listen to Dixieland type stuff for so long

I'm guilty of buying artsy games (Shadow of the Colossus comes to mind), praising them in front of friends, and then getting bored with them before even playing halfway through.

Aah. hab mir vor nem Jahr so ein Teil aufm Flohmarkt für nen Zehner geholt und dann im Laden bespannen lassen. War mir aber zu schwierig bisher, das wirklich zu lernen. Diese Stimmung...Erst chromatisch, dann plötzlich Quarten...echt gewöhnungsbedürftig. Ich hab bisher hauptsächlich das Griffbrett wie ne normale Gitarre gespielt, geht sogar echt gut von der Haltung her, weil ich Linkshänder bin. Nur die Standfüße pieksen bissl Die Leerseiten sind gut für soundtracktypisches Geklimper, grade wenn man nich wirklich nen Plan hat, was man tut. Schöne Performance jedenfalls, Hut ab. Das Video von deinem Japanbesuch war auch nett, der Typ hinter dir schien ja vollends in deiner Musik aufzugehn Achso, nochwas: Falls du auf die Seite hier kommen willst...Die Stücke sind zwar sehr schön gespielt, aber etwas zu nah am Original dran dafür, also zu sehr Cover. Wollt's nur gesagt haben, falls du die Seite noch nicht so kennst.

Extremely undermixed games, the Sonic SMS/GG line. You should listen to it on (decent) headphones if you haven't, then you'll hear how squashed the giant amounts of reverb sound. So definitely tone that back a bit. Maybe experiment with other reverb settings/plugins too, I find the one you used a bit lifeless and hollow at times. Actually it's mainly the one on the snare in the intro. The delay on the staccato synth strings combined with all the reverb makes the notes bleed too much into each other. Nice lead sound. The minimalist filtered bass part is cool. Liking the mix of electronic and slap bass in general. Pretty promising, but the mixing is still a bit of a mess. Keep it up! I see you're about to venture more into original territory near the end. I'd like to hear some soloing. The Sonic 2 OST is full of these catchy riffs, repeatable ad infinitum and perfect for adding solo stuff on top, this one being no exception.

Noted. I shall play around.

I hear ya, I have a different version that goes somewhere else near the end, but I had been working on the whole thing for 7 hours straight and found it easier to wrap it up this way for now. I don't think the ending is too bad right now, but maybe I'll try furtherly developing the other route (more bombastic) tomorrow.

Yeah, how original, I know. It was a lot of fun though and good exercise. Also, it's pretty hyper, so maybe that counts as some originality. http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?zyztzamzy0t

oh yup, I'll be remixing 'Danger' sooner or later. (In fact I already did a mix for OLR . The second part is just really thrown together. It was my initial concept for the mix to go there after a while, and then it doesn't always work out. But I'm sure it could, with some more work (well, for my taste at least.) Problem is, cpu is maxed out again...and I can't keep bouncing stuff that's not set in stone at all. I'll probably freeze the gamelan part to save cpu and redo the stuff after that completely.

I had a lot of fun on the arena map...I think it's getting quite popular, generally, no? Maybe throw another one in there?

I got myself a gamelan sample set yesterday, and this track from SoM was an obvious choice to give it a first try. http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?zh5tgwzyzz2 The breakbeat/dnb part is still in its early stages, and I'll have to see if I go on taking stuff from other tunes. The original tune is pretty sparse after all. I'll let it rest until tomorrow and see if I can develop it further then.

Sampletank 2. You mean the stuff with glissando at the end of each note, right? Thanks, af, Wildcat...by now I think it could use some more improvement though. I'm happy with it generally, but a lot of bits here and there. Right about the highs, af. Bit dull.

I could say I started out with piano lessons imposed on me by my parents at age 8. I hated them. Maybe they were beneficial, or they worked as a deterrent for a while, I dunno. I started playing the guitar in '01/'02, aged 15, and soon had tremendous fun doing it, and thus got reasonably good at it within 1-2 years. Played in bands for a bit but the magical chemistry didn't happen. Then I found a crappy general midi sequencer and subsequently Fruity Loops, and found out that composing isn't all that hard (composing good stuff is though ) I still slightly regret that I didn't get into sequencers earlier; I was almost 18 by the time I really got into it. There's still a certain mindlessness you maintain during the earlier teenage years, and it's always interesting to see what happens when that mindset is channeled into something creative. I think the concept of sequencing would've always appealed to me, I just didn't know about it and didn't seek. Ah well OCR wasn't a bad place for growth, but I took the wrong approach and tried to produce stuff to gain acceptance in the community at times, and always utterly failed right from the start. Most people would advise against this approach, but I think it works for some to motivate themselves by showing their skills to a community. Not for me though, in the long run. So I went back to making music for myself. By now, I feel relaxed enough to submit something and not feel too bad if it should get rejected. So, my generic advice would be to take things as slow as you have to and always focus on the music. Duh.

Fair enuff, I see we agree on the basic question. Regarding the class sizes: It's certainly not perfect, but this way, I have more choice as a student, which is a plus. It might be a disorganised policy that somewhat indirectly suggests piracy, but still, the knowledgeable tutors are there, and you can profit from the class. Something can not quite make sense organisationally but still be an ok solution if it can't be helped. One of the reasons I enlisted at HAW is its very broad offering, and the digital stuff is just one part. Still, it's something that you'll at least want to have tried once, even if you're completely paper based. In short, it's better for me if I get to try it under flawed conditions than not at all.

I'm not trying to defend my school...you got that the wrong way. I am just a bit annoyed that, regarding this issue, you're voicing your opinion so self confidently while your experience is limited to your country and school, and you show little effort in trying to understand circumstances different to yours. Universities in Germany are still funded by the state to a large degree (Used to be completely state funded up until a few years ago). This means that a school can have a great reputation and talented professors without having a whole lot of money. Sooo...what does a reputable school teaching graphics design do when computers come around and replace good ol pen&paper, and they lack the proper funding for a really consequent upgrade to digital? Do they close it down and become alcoholics? Nope, they try to compromise. What's 'not logical' about that? It's just too tedious arguing with you when you don't use your imagination one bit. Besides, you departed from the issue. I don't really know the financial workings of my university, maybe the officials just spend everything on prostitutes. It doesn't matter either way, the resources are lacking and the students gotta get their stuff done.

.... The school doesn't direct enough money into the digital department, and I suspect that's because THERE IS NO MORE MONEY. What does one pay to study at Drexel without a scholarship, per semester? 24/7 media labs with enough computers to accomodate the whole school cost money. You pay for your 'good planning'. Fast enough connection? Not everyone owning their own computer?? Well, so far I met one person at my school that hasn't got a computer with internet, and he indeed did everything at school he had to. He was able to because the 150 other people from just the same semester didn't all do the same thing. Btw, ever considered that someone might prefer to get creative at home, not in some grey assortment of desks with macs and terribly overused mice without right click? I'll stop here...Seems like you're mostly nitpicking to come to the conclusion that laziness is still the main factor. And you're right. It's entirely possible to somehow get by without warez in my or a similar situation, the point is that it'd be a FUCKING PAIN IN THE ASS. Your situation is different, and you don't have to believe my scenario at all to imagine another believable scenario that simply isn't as comfortable as yours. 'Well at Drexel...' Seriously.