DragonFireKai

Nice, you earned it!

you'll need equipment. It'll be a while before you can start attempting piracy without getting smote by escorts. And don't try doing anything illegal in a system with a security index over .5, you will die. I'd say, come join the OCR Corp, look me up in game, and I'll help you start to get set up.

Well, EVE's down for 24 hours. Here's hoping Revelations II doesn't suck. If any of ya'll want to join a corp, just look me up in game, no one gets turned away. Hope ya'll got a good skill training in the interim.

It's been a while since I played, but I think that's the tune that gets played when the party faces Lynx over the frozen flame. Spoiler. In the confrontation, it's revealed that the lead character, Kid, is actually Schala from Chrono Cross, and Gil is revealed as Magus. It's also revealed that Viper Manor is built upon the ruins of the ancient kingdom of zeal. It's either the song played there, or the song played in the ending involving the Giant Mecha, my memories a bit hazy on that.

Rather infuriatingly, I got into Firefly exacty two episodes before it was canned.

Sure, just contact me in game, and I'll set you up.

Well, I reactivated my account. I've got a Caracal right now, two dual 150 mike mike rails, 3 heavy missile launchers. I'm willing to help with anyone who want's to gang up for deep ratting, or mining escort. I've also got a Corp set up, if anyone wants to join.

I have drill this weekend, but I'm gonna get back on on Monday. Feel free to look me up, I'm DragonFireKai in game. I've got a lousy cruiser right now.

The Third Draft looks a lot better, it's seems more balanced than the previous two. I still don't like the removal aspect of it, but I'm obviously in the minority here. You have absolute power here, Dave, and if you honestly feel that that is the most fair and equitable way to go about it, it's up to you.

I might reactivate my account this weekend. I'll let you know tommarow.

Am I wrong in my estimation? Would it be more difficult to remove a song from Last.fm than it would from the mirrors of the OCR? If you want to set it so that any mix that's been released in a physical form can't be removed from the site, then it does create that inequality. However, inequality exists in everything else, OCR is no different. The fact that people might not get equal time to exercise a right does not mean you should revoke the right entirely. That's akin to banning alcohol because varying lifespans mean people would have unequal amounts of time to exercise the right to drink. What I was actually trying to put out there was a policy which would allow for removal from all forms of media that are not permanent. Something along the lines of "A remixer may terminate this license by making a request during a one week annual period, when such a request is recieved, the site will remove the Work from the site proper and any other sites hosting the Work. However, the Work will not be removed from any physical media already released, as the site does not have the power to fufill such a request." Most of the site policies I've checked from sites that host music allow the artist to remove their work with either a timed notice, or no notice at all. From what I've seen, you're establishing new ground here by trying to treat the site as a physical release. As such, any attempt at compromise will partially be in that new ground. I'm not the only person who brought up this idea, I simply fleshed it out a bit more. By the way, I never got an answer as to weather or not the Grandfather clause we discussed was added to the third draft.

No, it doesn't. It'd be nice if you had that amount of time, but the status quo is that the mix is posted, the onus of initiating change falls on the person who wants the status quo to change. In this event, it would be the person who wants his mix removed. As I said earlier, you would merely need to throw up an announcement on the forum, then wait for anyone who is dissatisfied to contact you. I think Last.fm is a bad example. I just checked the Terms and Conditions of submitting work to Last.fm, similar to soundclick... Taking Work off of Last.fm isn't very difficult, in fact, I think that it would be more time consuming to take the song off all the mirrors here at OCR than to axe it at Last.fm.

To me, it's the fact that there are not likely to be many requests in the future that makes it seem a little overbearing, IMO. The people who are sensitive enough to wind up wanting to leave the site are the overwhelming minority here. Creating legislature that affects such a small minority requires justification in my mind. It's not a matter of catering to these people, as you seem to think, but not oppressing them. To be honest, I hate it when a mix is removed, for any reason. I didn't realize that the site even did it, until my hard drive crashed and the site had lockdown 2 in the process. I found it extremely irritating at first, but the more I thought about it, the more I understood why it happened. That was actually the impetus of me diving into this discussion. But back to the topic, I don't think the fact that the law affects only the minority, and ergo they can be dismissed outright, should be the way people come up with rules. Which is why we've suggested a sort of spring cleaning period as a compromise that is acceptable to us. Schedule it at your discretion, for the time that would cause the least amount of conflict with you and the site, give a one week period in which such requests could be filed, then knock them all out at once. That would eliminate the problems of them using malicious timing to disrupt your plans, because you would dictate the timing of the request. I dissagree, looking to the past, at previous precident, at how the community reacts to certain situations, is key to putting together any sort of rule set that affects the site and the community. I'm not asking for an ironclad agenda of events, I understand that the nature of the marketing game requires some flexibility. If you accepted the compromise I mentioned above, you needn't implement a hard annual timeline, simply fire off an announcement "Cleaning Phase Begins Today Ends On X Date Seven Days Later" during the time when you don't have a physical print running, or something to that effect.

Hello, New Members, Old Members who are inexplicably reading this, and The Staff. Welcome to OCRemix.org, AKA OCR. I'm sure you'll love it here. But those of you who only spend time in community discussion are missing out on the full breadth of the OCR experience. Foremost among the other things you can do at this site is our Politics, Philosophy, and Religion board, found here. All manner of discussion on a multitude of topics are carried on in this place, and we welcome more. Do you hate George Bush? Tell us why! Do you support the War? Tell us why! Pro-Choice or Pro-Life, Christian or Muslim or Hindu, Liberal or Conservative, Republican or Democrat, make your voice heard at PPR!

This thread is suffering from a severe lack of Sam and Max Hit the Road.

Frequency determines the amount of work the staff has to do to handle said requests. The only counterpoint that you've brought up that wasn't entirely dismissive on a personal basis was that fufilling such requests would be an inordinate amount of work, and it would be unfair to place that burden on the site staff. Overall, since the inception of the site, there have been 30 Remixes removed due to the Mixer requesting it. There have been 138 mixes removed by the site during lockdowns, or emergency recalls. The site has been functioning for roughly 80 months. This comes out to one removal by request every 10 weeks. That doesn't seem too bad. Now, if you were recieving independent removal requests every week or so, then it lends credence to your inordinate work rebuttall. But so far, to this point, Removal by Request has been a fairly rare occurance, and it seems to me, that the workload these requests cause is miniscule compared to the workload created by managing the site and community on a day to day basis. It seems to us that a removal request is a fairly rare occurence, and the site's stance on it seems to be a little harsh. Correct us if we're wrong.

The only morally correct way to decide who gets Ultros will be a fight to the death.

One more question, in the third draft, has that Grandfather clause we discussed been included?

Yeah, I could see that going over well. "This is why I think the draft you're working on is complete garbage! BTW here's a nice birthday sketch!" Just a little akward there.

Is it even possible to dodge it?

We save the noob bashing for OffTop and PPR.

If you like using photoshop, my suggestion is getting in touch with Bummerdude and Doulifée. There's a nice sig shop that they run. http://www.ocremix.org/forums/showthread.php?t=2202

Naw, I'm impressed, alot of new posters take a while before they even format themselves a sig.

Eh, you just have to wait until the 50 foot tall Robo-Michael gets let loose in Nevada. You think I'm joking, don't you?

I remember that damn yeti!