Lightthrower Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 Hey i found this in the download links section of FFShrine and it is quite disturbing... She's claiming that she's doing a remix album (like VotL), but all she's doing is using MIDI and putting samples (with FLStudio i guess). People over there are all "woah great remixes", but they're not... http://forums.ffshrine.org/showthread.php?t=56866 I asked her to atleast credit the MIDI authors if she's releasing her "remix" album, but she has not answered me yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkwing Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 no shes not... she said this as one of her posts "o_O; Um. Whoa wait a minute. Okay, not to further any problem. I wanted to give not only myself but the people to experience FFVII's music in different music instruments. Now. That link you posted. That is not even compared to the work I do, I can show you some remixes I made from scrap. Same goes for the other ones I layed out here, I have to actually pinpoint the notes and place them with my instruments. Now, Here is this thing. Whether you like the album or not is none of my concern. As long as others are happy about it, That's fine with me. So sorry if remaking music offends you." comparing what she is doing to actual remixing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tensei Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 RARRRrr how dare she get actual positive feedback for doing midi rips. Better complain about it! Seriously, I don't see what the problem here is. There's no copyright infringement or plagiarism as far as I can tell and if people enjoy it, well, let them enjoy it. As for the 'credit the midi authors' comment, should every remixer who uses midis from VGmusic or wherever as a base for their remix have to credit the authors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleck Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 loolo final fantasy 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishy Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 If they're not changing anything in the MIDI they probably should out of politeness as technically the MIDI author did all the hard work. She just tarted it up and gave it a new dress. Imo it didn't make it look any better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightthrower Posted July 11, 2008 Author Share Posted July 11, 2008 I posted this only because i think it undermines real remixes like VotL. Yes she corrected herself in a post, but she didn't correct her OP (or remix album idea). I'm praising the OCremix community here because you guys do really good REMIXES, not bullshit 15 minutes jobs on FLStudio with samples. And Tensei, isn't the MIDI available on OCremix when a remix is posted? There's the credit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majin GeoDooD Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 The only thing that really gets me is that her cover art lists it as a "Complete Remix" when she should really be calling it a "Complete Remake" or something similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishy Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 The original chiptune is sometimes available for the original ost, never a midi. Sometimes the judges upload a midi in their thread so people can hear the original but thats only if a chiptune isn't available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightthrower Posted July 11, 2008 Author Share Posted July 11, 2008 The original chiptune is sometimes available for the original ost, never a midi. Sometimes the judges upload a midi in their thread so people can hear the original but thats only if a chiptune isn't available. Ah oki! Anyways i suppose most of the remixers don't really need the midi files right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tensei Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 How does it undermine 'real remixes'? VotL is an album that pretty much follows the OCR standards when it comes to source tune usage, which is awesome, but I know loads of people go "Hurr I like remixes that stick close to the source", so an album like this might appeal more to them. You're making a mistake with the terminology here. The songs that get posted on OCR aren't remixes in the classical sense of the word, they're rearrangements (they're called ReMixes, which is a phrase that was coined here, and I understand that it can be a bit confusing). In fact, I'd say what this girl is doing is closer to the conventional 'remixing' than what we do here, and besides, it's kind of silly to call her out on terminology. That said, I'm pretty sure there's a substantial amount of (aspiring) ReMixers who use VGmusic midis for their mixes, without crediting the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F4T4L Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 I personally like a remix to stick somewhat to the original so I don't need to call in a team of specialists to tell me what track it is I'm listening to. and naturally for nostalgic purposes I love to hear old songs with a fresh new coat of paint. Remixing itself is a pretty gray area, it's not like everyone who remixes a song on this site goes out and gets permission from the original composer to post it on the site. Though out of courtesy it would be nice to give a shout-out to the original MIDI composers, but it's not really required to freely distribute it over the internet by their own means. People need to realize that some people don't make video game remixes just to get them on OC ReMix, they also make them for themselves and for others to enjoy, and in the end, as a listener, all I really care about is if I like the finished product, not how many hours was put into making the song or how many hundreds or thousands of dollars they've spent on hardware to make the songs, just if I enjoy the songs. I do however applaud the talented remixers for all the time and hard work they spend on arranging these tracks, but there's just times I want to revisit the classic songs in a whole new light, rather than a whole new world that's totally unfamiliar from the original. Just remember to keep the listening audience in mind, most just want to listen and enjoy and really don't care about the technical clockwork of a song or how it came to be. If you like your own song, you've already succeeded. If others enjoy it as well, that's a bonus. Opinions and tastes will always differ, and I don't expect anyone to share mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dhsu Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 RARRRrr how dare she get actual positive feedback for doing midi rips. Better complain about it!Seriously, I don't see what the problem here is. There's no copyright infringement or plagiarism as far as I can tell and if people enjoy it, well, let them enjoy it. As for the 'credit the midi authors' comment, should every remixer who uses midis from VGmusic or wherever as a base for their remix have to credit the authors? If it's actually distinguishable as being derived from a particular VGMusic MIDI, then yeah I think credit should be given. Hopefully that doesn't apply to anything posted at OCR though (except of course in the case of ReMixers who are actually from VGMusic). Personally I prefer to listen to the original source when I do an arrangement, but I'd imagine that people who use MIDIs just do it to get the basic melody and rhythms, and then proceed to do the majority of the legwork of making an actual arrangement themselves. If they didn't change enough to the point that someone could actually tell they used a MIDI from VGMusic, then I wouldn't have a problem calling plagiarism, since that's just lazy. That and it would probably end up being too conservative anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkeSword Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 I posted this only because i think it undermines real remixes like VotL. Yes she corrected herself in a post, but she didn't correct her OP (or remix album idea). I'm praising the OCremix community here because you guys do really good REMIXES, not bullshit 15 minutes jobs on FLStudio with samples. Why do you have to get on her case about it? Let her do what she wants. She's not badmouthing OCR or anything like that. She's not "undermining" anything. There are plenty of people who do covers and upgrades and call them remixes, and you know what? They're not wrong in doing so. Here at OCR we have a relatively narrow and specific definition of the term "remix," which is why we use special capitalization: ReMix. We don't own the term remix, and we don't own the concept of remixing and arranging video game music. Plenty of people have their own approaches ranging from ultra-liberal to ultra-conservative. Different strokes for different folks. Stop trying to be a crusader. Do you know for a fact she dressed up MIDIs? Seems like the post Hawking quoted says she did everything by ear. Transcription takes skill; I know I'm not great at it. I dunno what you thought was gonna happen by posting about this here. We're not gonna rush that forum and demand she stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big giant circles Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 wheeeeeeee, dramacoaster! I do agree that midi-ripping and replacing instruments is not the absolute most praiseworthy thing a musician can possibly do, but I also do not care nearly enough to dog her about it. Some fans out there want exactly that--Just someone to fill in old sounds with new sounds. Let her have her moment I say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sil Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 You mean I could have just recorded the midis straight and people would still love me? Ohh, I've wasted my life... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liontamer Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 Yeah, nothing wrong with doing a MIDI remix album, Lightthrower. It doesn't involve the effort of rearrangements, but, you know...[shrugs]. Gotta agree that you jumped the gun on how much of a travesty this was. Aside from the courtesy of crediting the MIDI authors, this wasn't a big faux pas. She wasn't trying to hype the goal of the album up as anything more than it was, which was reinstrumentation. Not that I'm upset at you. Thanks a lot for enjoying Voices of the Lifestream, if anything. Funny reading that thread, the people who disliked VotL for "changing the feel too much" or whatever. One of the guys thought we were a techno site; clueless. Some people just want verbatim covers, and that's it. That's where the most nostalgia is, and there's nothing wrong with that. But keep in mind, as much as this site and the ReMixers have cultivated strong fanbases, OC ReMix isn't primarily about fanservice - certainly not in the way cover mockups are. What sets OCR apart is that creative rearrangements are more of a tribute to the actual composers than an effort to appeal to the lowest common denominator. Regardless of a typical fan's preferences for a remix, I think a composer would be a lot more impressed hearing a creative interpretation of a theme they wrote, rather than a reinstrumented version. That's the more important goal of this site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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