Cyril the Wolf Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 This piece of music... is epic. I blame Nekofrog for me even starting this. The reason I blame him is becuase he is working on a Lufia remix as well, with plot points from Lufia II. Chills went up my spine as I imagined the scene, and realized that this particular piece of music has inspired me a lot since I first beat Lufia II back 9 years ago. The original title is "For the Savior" but I decided to simplify it, as this is a dignified piece, tho hard rocking. What do you think so far? Arrangment tips, sample tips? BLAH BLAH, advice? Anything is good. The bass will be completely different, and the drums will be far less raw. http://cyril.arnoldascher.com/covers/savior.mp3 Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbQL_b18Wzc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audio fidelity Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 yeah cyril! sounds good - lots of energy when the band kicks in guitar could come up a bit - low end sounds a little muddy with the drums and bass - strings are obliterated when the band comes in since this is way prog maybe throw a synth with that brass melody (or replace it) when the band comes in - maybe instead of keeping the orchestra around with the band you could just focus on prog for the rest of the arrangement and have the orch come back later - and maybe even push the tempo more when the band comes in that's all i can hear for now - keep at it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uranai Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 I love your orcestra samples, what are you using? Guitar and drums sounds really good, they are really really tight.. The snare is a bit weak . I too would prefer to have a synth with the band instead of the strings. Overall nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozovian Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 Intro sounds like it's played with keyboard samples, they're too fast, too even. Cymbals are terribly high-EQd. Crash is too quiet. What do you mean "less raw". The drums need to be MOAR RAW to fit with the guitar, they just gotta be processed better/better samples. Guitar sounds a bit thin, put an Overdrive on it, boost it by just a few dB (boost the overdrive not the amplitude/volume). Or, if you're going for a less "raw" sound, drop the distortion a bit instead. Sounds promising, tho. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyril the Wolf Posted December 4, 2008 Author Share Posted December 4, 2008 I *was* going to wait until I had another WIP, but I feel its necessary to respond. When I say raw, I mean unpolished in the mix, the drums are currently not separated into different tracks (I use EZDrummer) so I always do that to EQ the kick for more brutality and to add some subtle verb to the snare. Also, if I have enough tracks I try to EQ out the toms too.. The guitar will be completely different sounding, I recently got Amplitube Metal, and it being dedicated for metal really makes a difference. So that's gonna change. Question on the intro and answer to a question. I'm using Edirol Orchestral (for you uranai). Now, I know I have two ways to go about it, should I vary the tempo up so that its more rubato? or should I not do that? Keep in mind that all I want to know is if that's what you mean, if its not then I'll figure out the solution otherwise. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gario Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 I understand you haven't applied any effects or EQ to the mix yet, so I guess I can't comment on that (for now ). However, the beginning orchestration sounds... incomplete. If your gonna orchestrate something, realize that there is a lot to work with, not just a cello, two violins and a trumpet. It sounds very empty right now. You need more than that in order to fill 50s of musical space. The texture doesn't change, which leads some listeners to believe that it lasts too long. Add to the texture, add some instruments, add something that will keep our interest for the entire 50 seconds. Also, on the side; the parallel octaves (well, similar octaves, but they sound parallel here) within the strings sound terrible in this context. They really make the strings sound more like a single instrument, which is the last thing you want for this intro. Get rid of 'em. After the intro, the music picks up nicely. It's hard to pick up the melody out from the guitar, as they are playing in the same range. Either double the trumpet with something or take it out of that range. Otherwise, I absolutely love the original song (brings back good ol' memories). I want to here a great remix out of this, and it looks as if this could go somewhere if you work at it. Keep it up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audio fidelity Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 not having straight tempo is good for orchestral stuff - but add a drum set and the conductor doesn't really matter anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uranai Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 Lol, i have Edirol orchestral too and would have never guessed its the same you are using (i need to start working wiht my vst's inestad of getting more and more). Would you share your Amplitube Metal settings? I use that when I record guitars at a friend's place. I'd really appreciate it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peconomusman Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 very non-musical mook right here....but I gotta say... don't give up on this mix. This is needed. Maxim was the man.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audio fidelity Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 very non-musical mook right here....but I gotta say... get out of here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peconomusman Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 Don't wanna start a giant flamewar here, but that was rude. I'm easily 5 years your senior when it comes to being around here, even if I am not a regular. Also I don't think there is a level of music knowledge required to participate in a wip thread. Anyway...I like your mix so far. Please finish it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
z130 Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 Great arrangement so far! The intro could use more depth in my opinion, but once it starts rocking, it sounds really good. Definitely finish this one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audio fidelity Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Don't wanna start a giant flamewar here, but that was rude. I'm easily 5 years your senior when it comes to being around here, even if I am not a regular. Also I don't think there is a level of music knowledge required to participate in a wip thread. Anyway...I like your mix so far. Please finish it. i'm just standing up for my friend who's mix you called non-musical mook participate with whatever you like around here - it's a great community - but saying that to someone is not a form of constructive criticism which is what these boards are for now lets just leave it at that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nekofrog Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 very non-musical mook right here....but I gotta say...don't give up on this mix. This is needed. Maxim was the man.. Then you'd probably be very interested in this... http://www.ocremix.org/forums/showthread.php?t=19358 :3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyril the Wolf Posted December 11, 2008 Author Share Posted December 11, 2008 Then you'd probably be very interested in this... http://www.ocremix.org/forums/showthread.php?t=19358 :3 Totally not cool man. You should have at least commented on the WIP itself first! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozovian Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Let me mod a little: By mook I think he meant himself, saying he doesn't have the knowhow to crit music in-depth, but says he likes this enough to want Cyril to finish it. Peco, 5 years senior, you want respect for having signed up ages ago and posting occasionally since? Not gonna happen. And while I'm minimodding, Neko, you're hardly gonna get much constructive feedback for playing spambot. Cyril, let us know when you update it. That tend to get more feedback than... other stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peconomusman Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Indeed, by non-musical mook I did mean myself. As for the occasional post on the forum....I always follow the site and spread news about new projects and tell all my friends about this place. I have been an avid fan of all of the works of all of the artists on here. There is more to being a fan than a post count. But respect is something I am less worried about...it was simply being told off that bothered me. But all is forgiven and understood now, so no hard feelings. Thanks for posting that other mix of savior...it's pretty sweet. Now to find the vocalist to pull it off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audio fidelity Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 and with the internet comes the vast opportunities for misunderstanding i take the fault sorry connor for telling your fans off i'll be less quick to judge next time - i really should know better with this community Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jevedor Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 I got linked over here from Nekofrogs work in prog and got to say this looks pretty promising to. Its awesome this game is getting a few remixes. Its OST was totally amazing and really could use the renown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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