OCR TF2: Stab stab stab!

[Bahamut]

While I was playing on BLU (both team and eponymous server), I clocked Bahamut with a rocket as I had a few times previous. He had been complaining throughout a round of CTF_Doublecross that people should leave him alone so he can get an achievement (he was on the RED team at the time, attempting to get some sort of stickybomb environment kill). This is at a time when the BLU server is at peak userload, so he should probably expect to (or at the very least, not be too surprised that he) get clocked.

His reaction: he slayed me and several others on the BLU team in response. Needless to say, for my part, I immediately lost interest in the ongoing game, going into spectator mode. Basically, that game immediately ceased being fun.

Out of respect for his authority, I do appreciate the work he does for the servers by making sure that teams do not do things they should not, such as sticky spawn-camping and team-stacking. Plus I think he is a pretty cool guy.

That last point is probably the biggest reason why this bothers me as much as it does.

That said, his job is to make sure others play fair; I believe he should do the same for his part. I hope I am not asking too much.

Thank you.

--Ian.

Well the server was being very silly well beforehand (red team was almost all engies), so the fairness ground is sort of moot as the game devolved into a blue-kill-red-sentry-base-challenge not unlike 2fort in non-seriousness - I did explicitly say not to touch the harmless nonattacker though, and people ignored quite stupendously. It was over 10 times people didn't listen before I started doing that, so you should understand the frustration of intentionally not listening in a fashion that is far worse than 1 death. Have you thought of the disinterest you made one person by not listening? Otherwise I feel as if you have little ground for complaint given your contribution to the problem with little remorse.

[FireSlash]

There are no rules on RED that state rules like "melee only" must be followed, unless there's some kind of pre scheduled event.

This goes both ways. And slaying someone so you can farm an achievement is pretty much admin abuse. There are plenty of achievement servers out there, surely you could have used one of those instead of slaying OCR regulars.

[atmuh]

why does anyone have access to the slap/slay flag to begin with

there are no good uses for it

[Bahamut]

There are no rules on RED that state rules like "melee only" must be followed, unless there's some kind of pre scheduled event.

This goes both ways. And slaying someone so you can farm an achievement is pretty much admin abuse. There are plenty of achievement servers out there, surely you could have used one of those instead of slaying OCR regulars.

And there are other servers people could go on for irregular playing in general (in this case mass sentries & challenging blue team to destroy the sentries, ignoring the intel), yet I don't see complaints about that. You want to advocate selective enforcing then? If one silly thing counter to the game holds with a significant number of people happens, then you have to allow the rest that happens or enforce action on all of them. I just merely was going with the dynamic posed by the atmosphere & declined to take action, but got griefed in response in a large scale - by all rights, kicking or a temporary ban would have been justified, as the serious players had left the game for the duration of the map after the game devolved into 2fort redux. I chose a more minimal route, and I strongly question the legitimacy of the complaint given the larger scale griefing that occured to ruin the game for two others - if he wants to complain & expect an apology, maybe he should do so first because I guarantee however he felt, he inflicted more.

[atmuh]

man and people say they have trouble reading my posts

ijs complaint is absolutely legit

its very simple

on the server there are no rules stating how to play the game

ive many times in the past complained that going melee only should be a bannable offense and ive always had it turned around at me in the exact same manner, that people can play as they want

so there is absolutely no reason why an admin or anyone should be able to dictate how someone should play the game (unless its griefing but yeah this isnt)

thats just the way the server works

if a whole team wants to go engineer or heavy or whatever because they feel like it

THEY CAN

if 5 people decide to go melee only and someone on the other team walks up to them all and shoots them

HE CAN

[FireSlash]

And there are other servers people could go on for irregular playing in general (in this case mass sentries & challenging blue team to destroy the sentries, ignoring the intel), yet I don't see complaints about that. You want to advocate selective enforcing then? If one silly thing counter to the game holds with a significant number of people happens, then you have to allow the rest that happens or enforce action on all of them. I just merely was going with the dynamic posed by the atmosphere & declined to take action, but got griefed in response in a large scale - by all rights, kicking or a temporary ban would have been justified, as the serious players had left the game for the duration of the map after the game devolved into 2fort redux. I chose a more minimal route, and I strongly question the legitimacy of the complaint given the larger scale griefing that occured to ruin the game for two others - if he wants to complain & expect an apology, maybe he should do so first because I guarantee however he felt, he inflicted more.

OCR has never been so serious that a sentry defense game is grounds for trolling. Especially on RED. Some of the best laughs I've had on this server were from random on the spot games like 12 offensive engie dustbowl, all heavy rushes, etc.

Also, I don't care if you want to use RED to farm an achievement.

The problem is when you go as far as to slay someone over it. Again, there are no rules enforcing strange game modes etc, and that applies to farming achievements too. IJ didn't do anything wrong here, and while I'm not going to say you're not allowed to farm an achievement, I will say that slaying someone because they were a hindrance to your achievement farming is admin abuse. The same would apply if you were playing the sentry defense game and someone on your team was playing scout. It's fine if the server wants to self organize itself, but slaying someone because they're not playing along with what you want to do is not acceptable.

edit: ninja'd by... atmuh?

[atmuh]

(derek got banned too i dont agree with that)

[ParanoidDrone]

anyways

Are you feeling alright?

Baha, I'm going to have to agree that slaying someone under those circumstances is really hard to defend.

[atmuh]

im feeling GREAT

do you know why????????????

because its.......

[ParanoidDrone]

atmuh, you are officially scaring me with these massive sparkletext messages.

(Also I had to go back and lowercase your name.)

EDIT: Red Mage rank get?

[The Mutericator]

I am sad today, because last week my gaming rig died a painful death and now I'm stuck on my laptop, which can't hardly handle CS:S on a good day. So no TF2 until I get a replacement gaming computer.

[Dark Chocobo]

im feeling GREAT

do you know why????????????

because its.......

gaiz am i doin it rite?

Also F**K YOU DIAL UP MODEMS HAHAHAHA

[ST-Turnip]

In a completely different subject, I'd like to know if it's possible to access the server demos, considering STV is always on. Or can I even access them?

[Necro]

In a completely different subject, I'd like to know if it's possible to access the server demos, considering STV is always on. Or can I even access them?

There you go.

http://kagami.fireslash.net:8080/demos/

[atmuh]

gaiz am i doin it rite?

[Dark Chocobo]

[ParanoidDrone]

/me facepalms all over this thread.

Also I'm finally relenting and installing TF2 on a school computer. (We're awesome like that. Being a senior in the video game concentration rocks, btw.) Which means that while I'll dearly miss my 1920x1200 resolution, at least I'll be assured the ability to play without crashing my laptop. Which is still bitching like a mofo, btw.

Also installing 8 gigs worth of TF2 files at 3 megabytes/second ROCKS.

[Powerlord]

I noticed that drop rates have recently plummeted back to their old values... but Wrench #100 hasn't dropped yet. And is taking longer than the previous ones to drop.

Is Valve trolling us now?

[atmuh]

And is taking longer than the previous ones to drop.

some took 5 hours

calm down

[Brushfire]

I got Wrench #100, bow to me.

[Bleck]

stop lying to me brushfire

stop it

[ParanoidDrone]

I got Wrench #100, bow to me.

You almost had me.

Apropos of nothing, Wrench #100 just dropped. Some guy named DoomSwitch.

The Gunslinger: Metal glove, replaces pistol, wait, no, it replaces the wrench, dammit Valve stop editing the update page after it goes up, +25 max HP, 3 punch combo, last hit crits. Allows deployment of Combat Mini Sentries, which cost only 100 metal and build 4x faster with full health, but cannot be upgraded or repaired and deal half damage.

Also yet another payload map, Thunder Mountain.

Also achievement descriptions are up.

[SporkNinjaDraken]

What amuses me is that it replaces the Pistol and it's essentially a melee weapon so the engineer equipped with that gets 2 melee weapons and the ability to drop even weaker level 1 sentries... but higher Engineer health.

[Powerlord]

Achievement descriptions are up.

Oh, and you apparently can haul sentry guns around, as there's an achievement for getting a kill with a level 3 that was just hauled.

[atmuh]

you can haul any building around