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I seriously doubt this could turn into a disaster of that scale for either company. But it could mean losses, which would still have an impact on the industry as a whole.

Yeah, I might have been blowing things out of proportion, there.

Those were successful?

I remember EyeToy being pretty successful. Casual players loved it before the Wii came along, and it was marketed better than most consoles.

Though I don't know how much it sold, I would be surprised if it didn't sell well, considering they were still making games for it in 2008.

As for ROB, Ambassador already covered that.

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As for the Kinect and Move, I definitely agree that they need to have great software to sell it. Similarly, I also agree that if you want good motion-controlled games, the Wii is the console to own, at least for the foreseeable future. Hopefully the new peripherals will encourage more quality development from all sides...it looks like we'll find out this holiday season.

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Excellent -- will check this out shortly. Reserving this post to add discussion tonight.

Well, you guys have identified the major problems. Fixing these is going to be more of a challenge than most, as this is partly a problem of larger society not contained to video games (especially the sexuality and race points). The most immediate strides can come from creating woman whose boobs aren't the sole reason for her existence.

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I think there was a lot that you guys can cover, for sure. Although, to be honest, the diversity you are talking about doesn't really exist too often in most media. I wonder, are you guys going to be looking at examples in media where it was successful (Example: Captain Jack Harkness from Dr. Who/Torchwood as a successful gay/bi male) and then show how it could be modelled into games?

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Wow, that really is one of the deepest topics you could've chosen. And yes, this is all ingrained in society, not just games.

Thankfully, strong female roles are becoming more common, but the overabundance of fanservice out there is disgusting. It just shows how juvenile our society can be

Properly portrayed bi/homosexuals are incredibly rare, not just in videogames. Thinking about it, the only games I remember playing with non-stereotypical homosexual characters are from the Fire Emblem series (and that's depending on character relationships, with the exception of Heather, who is an assumed lesbian)

By the way, in "Ethnic diversity", you mentioned Square-Enix. Why, exactly? The only non-white/asian characters I can think of are Barret, that new guy from XIII and the fictional races.

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Holy crap, yes. This topic is something that has been bugging me for what seems like forever. Some characters seem designed around the concept that they must show off their tits and ass no matter how stupid it makes them look.

It's pretty sad when the only black female heroine I can really think of (that looks black and is not just dipped-in-tea-black) is Shinobu.

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I'm actually looking forward to seeing how we handle it myself. We aren't going to do these follow-up episode immediately or all in a row. They'll be spread out over future weeks. Which is probably for the best, given how much negative feedback this one has been getting.

Are you guys really getting that much negative feedback? It's a topic that needs to be addressed badly -- the only critique I have is that I found myself looking forward to the indepth episodes covering just one topic instead of a lit review episode (geez did I just type that? Grad school is killing me) that was largely to identify the problems.

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By the way, in "Ethnic diversity", you mentioned Square-Enix. Why, exactly? The only non-white/asian characters I can think of are Barret, that new guy from XIII and the fictional races.

I think what he means is that Squeenix regularly addresses issues concerning gender/ethnic diversity in their games, albeit usually in a more fantastical way.

Let me be first to say:

The Elder Scrolls. This is all. (for now)

yeah pretty much. I can recall examples of everything addressed in Seph's video.

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Rochelle??

His point was that she's not exactly a well defined character, as illustrated by the fact that you didn't type her name the first time -- both her and Louis come off as "token" characters more than anything else (though none of the L4D1/2 cast is well defined, so in context it's not like the minority characters or women are less defined than the white males).

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I think what he means is that Squeenix regularly addresses issues concerning gender/ethnic diversity in their games, albeit usually in a more fantastical way.

What games, exactly? The Dragon Quest series? Or is it the Final Fantasies set in Ivalice?

I'm serious, I don't know

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What games, exactly? The Dragon Quest series? Or is it the Final Fantasies set in Ivalice?

I'm serious, I don't know

pretty prevalent in recent FF games, along with Ivalice entries. FFX and X-2, along with XII and XIII all directly deal with these issues in some form or another. Aside from that, pretty much every Squeenix title I've played of recent memory at least passes the Bechdel test.

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pretty prevalent in recent FF games, along with Ivalice entries. FFX and X-2, along with XII and XIII all directly deal with these issues in some form or another. Aside from that, pretty much every Squeenix title I've played of recent memory at least passes the Bechdel test.

Ah, okay. I was just curious since I haven't played the recent ones.

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Are you guys really getting that much negative feedback? It's a topic that needs to be addressed badly -- the only critique I have is that I found myself looking forward to the indepth episodes covering just one topic instead of a lit review episode (geez did I just type that? Grad school is killing me) that was largely to identify the problems.

Sadly so. It didn't take long for the comments on the Escapist to get hostile. It may be that we didn't explain our argument well enough.

It's definitely not going to stop us from doing those follow-up topics, though.

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