Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening: Threshold of a Dream - History

[Aetherius]

is there any particular reason you're being such an ass to hemo aside from some dissenting opinions, or is it just an everyday thing for you?

edit:

ah, ok. from what I've gathered from reading this thread, it's an everyday thing. sorry to have disturbed, keep up the assery.

If honesty and thinking that music should be about the emotions it produces, and not its structure equates being an ass, then ok.

(hah, that sentence has a poor structure, doesn't it?)

The project will continue as planned.

If anyone has issues with the way I plan to continue running this project, then either talk it out with me or leave. I will continue to respond honestly.

If I demand that my remixers have a personal connection with the songs, It doesn't seem to me that I'm asking too much. I just want a good, heartfelt project, not some robotic 'I can mix this, because I can mix anything' attitude.

Good luck to everyone who remains, I anticipate at least one more of these little coups. Sorry for the inconvenience. Try to ignore it, and do your best.

edit: if anyone's wondering where these crazy happenings are going on, it's usually in #laproject, so judge for yourselves.

[Ichitootah]

If I demand that my remixers have a personal connection with the songs, It doesn't seem to me that I'm asking too much. I just want a good, heartfelt project, not some robotic 'I can mix this, because I can mix anything' attitude.

Just out of curiosity does this mean that you only accept remixers that have played the game and love the theme personally or something? Or do they form the personal connection with the song on the spot?

[Aetherius]

Either. *shrugs* I just want the remixers to appreciate the songs for what they are. (no, not 'on the spot' but it's not so hard to grow to love a piece of music. If you don't like the material, you're not likely to do a very good job of remixing it.)

I don't want them to tackle the songs as a challenge, but to pay tribute to songs that they think are worthy of tribute.

[Tyler Heath]

If honesty and thinking that music should be about the emotions it produces, and not its structure equates being an ass, then ok.

(hah, that sentence has a poor structure, doesn't it?)

you're assuming I'm responding to your opinion on music. I'm not. I was actually talking about your response to hemo's question.

however.

it seems to me that you're saying that music should be pure, raw emotion and no refined elements, thus making music on the whole a hit-or-miss scenario. it also sounds like you think your opinion on music should override centuries of work and theorizing and structuring that defines what elements within music are. music theory is an organization tool - a way to teach musicians what can sound good, what usually sounds bad, and how to write in a way that is generally appealing. music written solely by intuition would eventually result in a catastrophic array of dissonance and generic chord progressions.

on another note, the more I read of what you post in this thread, the more it's beginning to seem like your entire aim in this project is to get people to arrange these songs purely for your enjoyment. it's like a "screw everyone else, screw the artist, do it my way or go to hell" kind of attitude.

but hey. I'm not in charge of this project, so in this regard my opinion is apparently null and void when the all-deciding project leader steps in.

[Aetherius]

on another note, the more I read of what you post in this thread, the more it's beginning to seem like your entire aim in this project is to get people to arrange these songs purely for your enjoyment. it's like a "screw everyone else, screw the artist, do it my way or go to hell" kind of attitude.

but hey. I'm not in charge of this project, so in this regard my opinion is apparently null and void when the all-deciding project leader steps in.

I knew what you were responding to. But my response wasn't intended to be malicious. I was setting him straight. His opinion was that anything he produced would be better than what anyone else on this project could produce. He thought that his contribution to the project would be worth more than the other contributions, and he would be wrong in thinking that. All contributions will be equal.

"screw everyone else, screw the artist, do it my way or go to hell" <-- yeah, that basically sums it up.

However, 'my way' is looser than you make it seem. My way, as stated in the first post is that the songs must evoke nostaligic and melancholic emotions, and preferably feature at least two of three genres, rock, ambient, and orchestral. That's not such a hard thing to do. I wasn't asking people who usually make trance music to make orchestral. I was asking people who usually make rock/ambient/orchestral to join the project, and do what they do best.

Then things get tricky.

The deciding factor is...whether I like it or not.

I'm not that picky, really. I get picky when it comes to low quality samples, or wrong notes, but in general, if someone produces something good and solid, which fits in with the project's intended mood, I'll leave it alone. In some instances, in which...I feel that a lead sounds extremely out of place, as was the case with one of chthonic's wips, I 'd ask to replace that with something more fitting. These are merely suggestions, but if something simply refuses to reconcile itself with me, I will be inclined to reject it.

That said, my motivation doesn't have to be the same motivation as that of the mixers. If my reasoning is basically: "screw everyone else, screw the artist, do it my way or go to hell" That doesn't mean that a mixer has to feel that they are my pawn, or doing me a favour. I want them to feel as though they're doing themselves a favour, or a service to the community.

Unfortunately, I have a very strong emotional attachment to this music, and it is my perogative, as the person who is (poorly) running this project, to have people and music that would do justice to the originalk music on it. Sorry if you feel that it should be a free-for-all, but I have to draw the line somewhere. I'm not censoring your freedom of expression by telling you that 'your shitty drum samples make my ears bleed' though that sort of talk is unnecessarily antagonistic, for which I apologise.

Meanwhile, I feel that ignoring expression and emotion in music is lice censoring one's own freedom of expression.

...Anyway.

If I can stop myself, I will not respond to any more of these off-topic posts regarding my motivation or decisions. This project is about enhancement and appreciation, not for posts, which essentially say 'OMG STARKY'S AN ASSHOLE BECAUSE HE DOESN'T WANT PEOPLE TO MAKE HAPPY SONGS ON HIS PROJECT!'

End topic.

So, who wants Tal Tal?

[ShinnyMetal]

I could experiment around with some ideas on Tal Tal

[Monobrow]

If honesty and thinking that music should be about the emotions it produces, and not its structure equates being an ass, then ok.

(hah, that sentence has a poor structure, doesn't it?)

however.

it seems to me that you're saying that music should be pure, raw emotion and no refined elements, thus making music on the whole a hit-or-miss scenario. it also sounds like you think your opinion on music should override centuries of work and theorizing and structuring that defines what elements within music are. music theory is an organization tool - a way to teach musicians what can sound good, what usually sounds bad, and how to write in a way that is generally appealing. music written solely by intuition would eventually result in a catastrophic array of dissonance and generic chord progressions.

Believe it or not, there is another side to this argument. I agree what music theory is nice, and arguably essential somewhat, if you are a serious musician. But there have been COUNTLESS people who have NOT studied theory, and yet have come out and contributed to society with wonderful music anyway. Not all music written solely by intuition can be categorized as eventually becoming bad, because music is an art form, and "good" and "bad" is all in the eye of the beholder. If you don't like something, that's up to you, but if you don't like something just because it's not holding up to a learned value, maybe you should take another look around and open your mind up a bit more.

Even though I have never extensively studied music theory, I can appreciate its value, and if I had the time, I would probably be a lot more interested, because like any art form, if you really want to "master" it, you need to have some sort of foundation to get your foot through the door, and then practice, practice, practice, until you find your voice. BUT, there are people who are naturally gifted, and most likely, their sense of "music theory" is in itself, intuitive. It's "there", even if you don't know it.

This takes away from saying that intuitive music will end up being "bad". Maybe some random music professor told you this, but I have seen plenty of people just improv-ing some wonderful sounds, that if they based their chord changes, etc. solely on theory, would never take the chance to try something new. What I mean by this, I guess, is that it all depends on your confidence level as a musician, naturally, or studied, or both. Also, if I were to apply theory in any sort of fashion, I'd do it as an afterthought, to figure out "why" I liked a certain song, or why I didn't like something else, instead of using a set of rules as a basis for writing music. I am not saying that theory is bullshit, etc., in fact, I think it's a good way to go, because if you ever want to break the rules, you have to know what they are first. But, fifty years ago, people were questioning the validity of rock and roll, because they couldn't fit it into their values. They had to "change" what they thought about music. So to me, music theory is one big musical documentary, that has evolved over time, as our way to categorize and figure out why we like those weird sound waves merging together to create a sensation in our brains. Using it as a tool to "write" though, I would think of more as a personality thing.

Emotion is also another wild card. People CAN tell if you put your heart into your music. This is why so much of the music we hear on the radio today is full of "CRAAAAAWLING IN MY SKIN" lyrics, because people can identify with it. It's why there's opera, musicals, movie scores...It's a form of communication. And like all communication, sincerity counts. So I would probably get the impression that someone really cared about the music they were making if they were really into it, relaying some sort of message about it, as opposed to "I am going to use this type of chord progression in this song just to see if I can do it"

Anyway, if I had a point, I can't remember it, but I will say this: In theory, you may think that there is always a right way to do things, but...the word theory, well there you have it.

[KyleJCrb]

Remember, music theory is exactly what it says: a theory. It's not set in stone, and it's not always the best way to do things. Just my two cents.

[Arek the Absolute]

If honesty and thinking that music should be about the emotions it produces, and not its structure equates being an ass, then ok.

(hah, that sentence has a poor structure, doesn't it?)

you're assuming I'm responding to your opinion on music. I'm not. I was actually talking about your response to hemo's question.

however.

it seems to me that you're saying that music should be pure, raw emotion and no refined elements, thus making music on the whole a hit-or-miss scenario. it also sounds like you think your opinion on music should override centuries of work and theorizing and structuring that defines what elements within music are. music theory is an organization tool - a way to teach musicians what can sound good, what usually sounds bad, and how to write in a way that is generally appealing. music written solely by intuition would eventually result in a catastrophic array of dissonance and generic chord progressions.

on another note, the more I read of what you post in this thread, the more it's beginning to seem like your entire aim in this project is to get people to arrange these songs purely for your enjoyment. it's like a "screw everyone else, screw the artist, do it my way or go to hell" kind of attitude.

but hey. I'm not in charge of this project, so in this regard my opinion is apparently null and void when the all-deciding project leader steps in.

Good f'ing show.

Seriously though, this project is about remixing a groovy kick me in the butt man that was good soundtrack. Everyone has their own guidelines for their project. If that is how starky wants to run it, then let him run it.

Just wanting to say though, that this is getting a LOT of bad hype, sadly...This drama has to go or noone will really take this seriously

[Aetherius]

*yawns* a much needed grey area.

If anyone hadn't noticed...we have 16 mixers, and 16 tracks. If each of us does one song...we're gold.

speaking of bad hype:

Any more drama from people who have already created drama, will be regarded as sabotage.

How ya like them apples?

[Escariot]

...you people give me a headache...

[Arek the Absolute]

...you people give me a headache...

Comes with any project. Gotta love it

[Usa]

I didn't dislike it. I liked it.

You were adverse to changing the things about it that I didn't like so much.

*sigh* Why do I have to put all the things right that people put wrong here?

First of all, Aetherius didn't ask me to change anything, he just said how the sounds made him vomit or made his ears bleed. There was not a single positive comment in there, so how in the world should I figure out that he actually liked the mix? There were other people in the channel at that time that can prove me right. This is starting to get ridiculous now...

So.. no drama involved, never intended to create any, sorry to have bothered you with my mix which led to this lengthy discussion...now...will this ever end?

[Aetherius]

I didn't dislike it. I liked it.

You were adverse to changing the things about it that I didn't like so much.

*sigh* Why do I have to put all the things right that people put wrong here?

First of all, Aetherius didn't ask me to change anything, he just said how the sounds made him vomit or made his ears bleed. There was not a single positive comment in there, so how in the world should I figure out that he actually liked the mix? There were other people in the channel at that time that can prove me right. This is starting to get ridiculous now...

So.. no drama involved, never intended to create any, sorry to have bothered you with my mix which led to this lengthy discussion...now...will this ever end?

The argument that involved you fell by the wayside a few days ago. we're on a new one now.

You don't have to set anything right. in fact, the only thing I would suggest that you DO have to do is stop posting here. Do not reply to this post,do not pass go, do not collect self-satisfaction.

I told you at least three times that I liked the mix, but not the sounds.

go away already.

[Another Word Awaits]

I didn't dislike it. I liked it.

You were adverse to changing the things about it that I didn't like so much.

*sigh* Why do I have to put all the things right that people put wrong here?

First of all, Aetherius didn't ask me to change anything, he just said how the sounds made him vomit or made his ears bleed. There was not a single positive comment in there, so how in the world should I figure out that he actually liked the mix? There were other people in the channel at that time that can prove me right. This is starting to get ridiculous now...

So.. no drama involved, never intended to create any, sorry to have bothered you with my mix which led to this lengthy discussion...now...will this ever end?

The argument that involved you fell by the wayside a few days ago. we're on a new one now.

You don't have to set anything right. in fact, the only thing I would suggest that you DO have to do is stop posting here. Do not reply to this post,do not pass go, do not collect self-satisfaction.

I told you at least three times that I liked the mix, but not the sounds.

go away already.

Of course, just because a new topic of discussion has come up doesn't mean that the older one has reached any form of closure.

However, it seems that this drama has already been resolved, in one form or another.

In any event, I just want to encourage all of the remixers on this project. Do your best! Make awesome songs!

[prophetik music]

sweet lord.

when you signed onto the project, you implicitly (sp?) agree to the rules that the project coordinator set down. that's just how it is. so, if Aeth doesn't like something that you've got, QUIT YOUR BITCHING. you're just re-enforcing your immature qualities. Aeth didn't like my original strings in my song, so i changed them, and now it sounds better. that wasn't that hard, was it?

THIS is what he's trying to prevent.

THIS is what you should do.

[Aetherius]

let's just pretend that I don't hate starblast for a moment, and agree with Mr. Mephisto. He's right.

[prophetik music]

i hate fatblast too, i just posted that link cause the name is relevent.

[Ichitootah]

After reading your new rules (in specific, accepted mixers can look through the GBS and remix a song for the project), I'd like to re-audition. I already have a 2:00 WIP which can serve as my audition piece as well. Though it obviously has a LOT of things that need to be cleaned up, and doesn't feature all that much of the theme at this point (though I'm just getting into a theme-intensive section) it should do. It'll be a remix of Weird Mister Write. I'm pretty good about taking criticism as well, so feel free to do your worst.

WIP

[Usa]

sweet lord.

when you signed onto the project, you implicitly (sp?) agree to the rules that the project coordinator set down. that's just how it is. so, if Aeth doesn't like something that you've got, QUIT YOUR BITCHING.

Sweet Lord, *that's* TOO much now!

1) I haven't signed onto this project to start with. I merely volunteered to do a song and thought I would make someone happy with it. I was prepared that it might not fit in the project because I haven't asked before, and that's how it turned out in the end.

2) Aeth did NOT tell me to change it, just how he hates it. I could post the chatlog here, but I won't because it would just add drama to the whole situation here. Just believe me it was this way.

3) I know Aeth told me not to post here again, but that *IS* too much now, really! You can't accuse me of things I haven't done at all! So, and now I ask you a favor in return for not posting here anymore. Please don't tell any more things that are not true about me, K? K. Stop bashing me for no reason. Please.

[Aetherius]

Well, I like this wip, Ichitootah. I liked your prior submission too. Pretty kickin.

the only thing that's getting to me is that low warbly voice...thing. I can hear the warbling too well for it to fade into the background, and make the other elements come out.

Meanwhile...wow, where'd the melody go? Heh, I can hear it somewhat in that guitar solo...thingy. I look forward to seeing what this'll turn into. Back onto the list you go.

Also, just for informational purposes, the rule about the selection of unused gbs tracks applies only to songs that are not easily recognizeable as a different version of one of the tracks I've already selected.

Some of these tracks which could be done are:

Bottle Grotto (21/96) <I don't recommend this one>

The Hen House (87/96)

Animal Village (if you can come up with something good...) (11/96)

Richard's Villa (64/96)

The Trendy/Fishing Games (2/96) <also 53/96, which is a bit funkier>

Choose a Name (17/96)

Mr. Write's (55/96) <also 50/96. One of the two is Mr. Write's Girlfriend.>

In the event that any or all of these songs can get remixed, I will re-arrange the track order (chronologically. in-game) and split the album into two discs, ending somewhere in the middle, with an average, of possibly 12 tracks on each album. I don't think any of the other tracks are possibilities, really. I hadn't intended to make this a double album. Remixers are still needed. Again with the Auditions.

[Aetherius]

3) I know Aeth told me not to post here again, but that *IS* too much now, really! You can't accuse me of things I haven't done at all! So, and now I ask you a favor in return for not posting here anymore. Please don't tell any more things that are not true about me, K? K. Stop bashing me for no reason. Please.

HORY CLAP YOU'RE RIGHT! I SOOOO DID!

...I was kinda expecting you to stop checking this project's thread if you're not interested in its development. It's the logical thing to do.

Secondarily, if you'd been paying attention, you'd know that there are indeed others who feel the same way as you do, but for different reasons, and under different circumstances. The prophet's statements apply to the other people, not you. however, I will agree with his view in saying, 'quit your bitching' we were done with you pages ago. You just keep coming back.

Posts like these are disruptive to the flow of the project.

I hereby declare (with the authourity that I have, to silence your freedom of speach *shifts eyes*) that Should anymore posts arise, like Usa's or Hemophiliac's, or Unknown's, or even some of my own, everybody simply ignore them. Do not post any responses to them. If you have something important to say in the defense of me, or in defense of the project, send it via PM. I will not stand for any more disruptive posts. If necessary, I will attempt to contact a moderator and have them delete the offending posts from this thread, for posterity's sake. I would really like to get this crap over with, so that we can all just make good music, and give it to people who want to listen to good music.

Now, I'd like to direct anyone who reads this thread to the first post, which holds all of the important updates. Unfortunately, due to these disruptive posts, the important things I have to say regarding the status and future of the project are being buried, and no doubt new posters are getting frightened away by the current hostility, which has unfortunately infected our project.

So, this is my quarantine. My hope is that we will find a cure, before the project dies.

That said, DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS POST.

I'd much prefer that people respond to my previous post, which is actually important.

[Ichitootah]

Erm, just wanted to show another quick WIP to clarify something. I haven't added or changed much, but it should give you a much better idea of what I was thinking with that last section and how the theme will be incorporated (or at least some of how it will be). WIP

[Aetherius]

there it is!

:/ I still don't like that warbly/LFO encrusted pad thing you've got going in the background, though.

I really like where this is going.

[The Joker]

I'm still alive! Yay! Anyway, I got a wip that I'ma send to you Aeth/starky... whatever you go by these days. I'll PM you a soon as I upload it!