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Already happened.

I'd never seen this. Awesome.

I wouldn't say that OCR is quite mainstream. You claimed this was a friend's video... I'm curious how you became so qualified.

Hell, he beat me to it. His list more than makes the point, though. You're misinterpreting almost every feeling the mixers have. No one covers or remixes a song they think sucks. Read what's his name's post who I'll edit here in a second when I go look back at the other page. His Tin Pan Alley example is pretty much perfect. You can do lots of things with samples, but you really can't reproduce the humanization at this point. A decade of playing and studying jazz. A degree in music. More school that I'm in now for big band arranging. Being close with many local jazz artists. You know, the usual ways that people learn things about their surroundings. Most of the jazz composer/arrangers of time (I'm talking probably 40s to the 60s) played in bands where they would be one of several writers. Sammy Nestico played in the Dorsey and Krupa bands yet would end up arranging for Basie. My guess is he didn't play in the Gene Krupa band only when the called a Nestico chart. You also need to learn the difference between a band leader and an arranger/composer. There is plenty of overlap, but putting Maynard in a list of people with "tons of original material" is a little bit of a stretch. Most of the time he had someone arranging charts for him that had been written long before. Lok up Bill Holman, I believe. Definitely Bob Brookmeyer. Most standards you hear jazzers (except this new atonal, mixed meter avant garde jazz) play now were written decades ago and a ton are actually old Broadway songs that have been made famous through jazz musicians. Bebop took old chord progressions and just wrote new melodies over it. It's really amazing, actually. Research your jazz. It's a crazy, copied, rehashed mess. And it's beautiful. I hate not playing. The urge is pretty fucking deep.

I didn't include him because I don't really care that I suck with him. As for Dhsu's feelings about forcing yourself, that was Jigglypuff for me in SSB. I still won't win the match if the people I'm playing are good, but I forced myself to get good enough with Jigglypuff that I wouldn't be the first dead or the one with the least kills.

I have a hard time with him because he's so damn fast, but I feel like his moves are so slow. The contrast kills me.

In contrast to the notion that everyone who can improvise also writes music, my statement stands true. But, for the sake of spontaneous composition, I will clarify. Not all people who improvise also formally write songs, using notation, that they (or others) will play again in the future.

Fine. Serious post. I'll refrain from being overly sarcastic. Nothing was skewed. Those were points that made in your other thread. I rarely, if ever, see this kind of attitude on OCR. Poems, not that I've heard. Rewriting stories? Yes. Repainted pictures, kind of. They are sampled and mangled and glued to meet new ends all the time. Hell, West Side Story is a remix, so there's theater.Claiming that your previous thread has nothing to do with the subject matter is very untrue, when the subject at hand would be a sub-category of that topic. You can't say "Non-composing performers are of little use and don't deserve the respect they get." and then turn around and have something completely different that asks "Why do you play other people's music instead of composing? Where is the artistic end in being a performer?" It's the same. Musicians are much more than mere tools. To compare sampling to an actual musician is about as musically ignorant as possible. The feeling and musicality of even an average player cannot be matched by computers and samples. And no. Klaus Bedalt did not purely use samples. He used the Hollywood Studio Symphony along with other groups and musicians. The majority of jazz musicians do not compose. The majority of jazz musicians improvise. Well, yes. As tired as I am of hearing your fanboyish enthusiasm for Yngwie, he does make money when people cover his music. He may not need the money, and may not write the music with the intent of making royalties, but he does get them. Also, when your boy Yngwie covers others, he pays them. Like with your comment about OCR, I rarely see this attitude where performers are elevated above composers. No one decides that a violin player is elevated above Beethoven.You're right, though. Playing your own music can be extremely rewarding and is personal, but even with the number of talented composers out there, they get bored of playing only their music and want to play the music that inspired them to write in the first place. I would not call the urge to perform a "surface desire" at all. It's much deeper than that. Also, you do not choose what is and what is not art. You're right to think this and you pretty much answer your own question. If a deep-seated desire is not a shaping factor, then what is? Right off the bat I made comments that essentially said, "We've been here before with this same person. Here is the thread where it happened." They were not off-hand or insulting by any means. They were very relevant because, as I explained above, you turned your last thread's statement into a question for this thread.By thesis-esque, I meant nothing about thesis statements in an essay. I meant like a doctoral thesis, where you write try to write like you have a Ph.D. Your flowery, over eloaborated posts seem to swirl in circles with no particular reason. Hell, zircon just flat out asked you what you were talking about. The guy's not an idiot, and your superfluous use of frivolous vernacular completely masked whatever the hell you were trying to say. Coming to a community of musicians and music lovers and asking "Where is the artisitc end in being a performer?" and then accusing the community of being everything that you think is wrong with musicians probably won't go over well - no matter how delicately you word it. I have now answered your question seriously and explained my (and others) knee jerk reaction to your thread.

To be fair, he hasn't said any of that in this thread yet. He said those thing in a previous thread that started very similarly to this one. I thought I'd give you the benefit of the doubt.

I think he meant "what the OP stands for" like saying "I dont know what the OP's stance on this subject is, but..." Not, "What does OP mean?"

You do remember correctly. He also believes that interpretation of a person's music is wrong as well and that the only person who is allowed to play a song is the person who wrote it. Further, he believes that the only real composers are ones that perform their own music, no matter how many parts there are. Note that there have been several good responses to his question and that he only responded to a handful that were mostly about the semantics of what his thesis-esque posts actually mean.

This is how I am too. Except that cactus fucker in the Marvel vs Capcom 2 game. I wanted so badly to be able to kick ass with a giant sombrero cactus, but I couldn't make it happen. EDIT: Apparently his name is Amingo and wasn't from Marvel or a previous Capcom release.

This thread looks like it's very similar to, and probably going to go in the same direction as, this thread.

There are more notable things about the city I live in than there are about your whole state. And my city isn't big or cool enough to be included in the name of the metroplex.

The first few times I heard this, I thought it was "I've already got Larry's Paige." When I learned that it was "their respect" I was very disappointed. Very disappointed.

Y'all don't know nothin' about the ninja skills of the red guy from Excitebike. A good ninja could...

D minor is the saddest of all keys.

Hey, guess what? My hard drive crashed. Luckily, I'm pretty sure I have my project backed up on an external drive. I actually had time to work on it now, and my computer won't boot. Sweet.

You'll pay for that.

This isn't the place for this. And I didn't want drama last year. Now I'm going to be all about the drama. I'm going to send you a very dramatic PM. Very dramatic.

You've made little to no comments on remixes. Instead of hounding us to get our shit done, we have to hound you to even check the boards. You missed the first several WIP dates. Your one and only track update was ridiculously late and is probably the worst WIP on the boards. I think you make my point for me by just noticing that post from over nine months ago. Popping up every six months or so and adding a smiley to the end of your post doesn't make up for the fact that you are the weakest link on this project.

How do you post aloud?

September 2007 was a while ago. History repeats itself.

Shariq Ansari. He's a card player, gambler, scoundrel... you'd like him.

The best jazz bassist I know (other than professionals) has only been playing four years. He's playing the pants off people who have been playing for ten to fifteen years.