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I'm actively trying to get out of my pesky habit of only listening to mixes of games that I recognize and figured a mix by bLiNd would be a good place to start. Amazing. I haven't even finished listening to it and can already tell you it's amazing. Very, very catchy, and I noticed that it isn't conventional bLiNd, either (conventional bLiNd is good, too; it's just great to see him moving out of his own comfort zone). If you love electronic music, download now. If you don't like electronic music, download now and learn to love it - bLiNd will be your instructor.

Yup, the 'Wizard of Oz' SNES game was basically the same thing...

Ah, ripping off Walmart. I think everyone's done it, at least once... Many years ago my mother bought my older brother the 'Wizard of Oz' for the SNES... we were so disgusted that our cousin rewraped it and we traded the game for Yoshi's Island... I can't say you could get a better deal than that. Yes, it does... give me 138$ for it.

Don't worry, it's coming along quite nicely. It's about 2 minutes at the moment (and it isn't even finished). I just want to give you a hard time . Don't tempt me - I'll post the hammer theme from Donkey Kong for the PRC if I win next time (I've remixed that before and got about a minute out of it - pretty good at the time, if you ask me )... no I won't - that's too cruel.

Good, got one at least for a little while (Actually I probably won't be able to stay on for longer than two hours myself, so it works out pretty well). Ya, hardcore, so if you want to come don't die at those damn beetles! I'm glad the run went well, sorry I wasn't far enough to join you at the end! I'll be in the 'OCR' channel at around 4:15 today (+/- 5 minutes) and try to get the game started at 4:20 (yeah, 4:20). Remember, this is Hardcore Ladder, so the point of it is to avoid death (and get as far as we can as quickly as possible, of course). Make Hardcore Ladder characters if you want to join in!

Alright, so who would be up for a HC run tomorrow? Wednesday, 4:15 Eastern, East coast server - I'll be in the OCR channel on Bnet. New chars on ladder (for practice, of course). Anyone up for that?

For PvM, I find that Dentists (Bone-mancers using teeth as their primary skill) are quite viable, if played right. Jailers (Thorns / Bone Prison builds) are decent, but they are for more solo play (people don't like waiting for the bone prison to go down...). Not to say the good ol' skelly build isn't viable - in fact it's probably a little bit better than all these for PvM - there are viable alternatives, though (I got my HC pure bonermancer to Hell Act 3 before getting raped by some undead fetishes... I may have cried a little for that one ) Poison-mancers are excellent for PvM play as long as your online with other people (as those pesky immunities don't come into play as much, there). Golemancers, to be honest, are a gimmick - don't roll one for serious leveling. You need to be on an incredibly high level (and packed with summoning charms) in order for them to be viable. They're used to kill players outside of town without risk to yourself (If you get to that point, though, it's worth it for the 'lol, my clay golem just kicked you character's ass hard and you can't do nothin' about it!' factor. For all of these builds, though, utilize your curses well and you'll be ahead of the game. Personally, I prefer dentists, myself - I just wanted to help fill the role of 'damage absorber' for the run (that I couldn't make it to). Hey, if we really want a spot on the ladder we should be practicing for some HC runs rather than normal runs - they're much more exciting and the spots don't fill up nearly as fast, anyway . Anyone up for one tomorrow (4pm eastern)?

Yup, Necros are the shit. I made a guy, but like I said, I won't be able to join you for about an hour, so I ran a skelly necro for an hour so I wouldn't be far behind. I may be able to pop into the chat channel for a few seconds when you all are starting but I'll need to leave for an hour after that. Looking foward to this - I haven't played with people in a while (and last time I did I was drunk as shit - beat normal hardcore in about 4 hours smashed with three other people, direct connection... it was epic).

Thanks for the pass - you'll be seeing me there, don't worry!

It took me a while to get around to it, but I've donated 20$ for you all. I learn a lot here (not to mention download all the stuff here), so I figure it's the least I can do.

A. The thing is, people complain when a game is 'too hard', so companies are encouraged to make things easier for this generation. Now games are easier . I guess actually working at something has lost it's appeal... In Alien Hominid it's called 'Thumb-sucker' mode

If you make the time at 3 PM (1 PM my time) I won't be able to join for an hour (I work until 2 PM). I'll just get my guy up to lv 9 or 10 so I can join you later.

Har, it was the computer I was using (or the fact you re-uploaded the link ). Alright, listening to it now... May I say that you really know how to make a mix sound really clean? I mean damn, man - I'm pissed that I can't do something like this (yet ). It sounds a bit atmospheric, perhaps a bit too much so, for my tastes. I don't know if this would count as 'ambient' for the sake of OC standards, but it may cut it a bit close throughout (although it picks up at the end enough to make me happy). It's probably just me, though - I could use a little more sometimes (just try not to lose the open feel if you add some texture to some parts of it). I like it in general, though. It's got a vibe that makes it perfect to listen to if your working on something (other than music). It's got enough movement to (generally) keep my interest while not enough to distract me if I'm doing something else . I still think it's a touch too empty right now, at the moment. Keep it up!

Ha! Ironically due to the time shift (Mountain time, which means 4 PM is 2 PM for me ) I can join in with you for a little while. I'll probably use a Wind Druid if your patient with me (they're not very viable until lv 24...), otherwise I'll use a Fishymancer (Skeleton Necro). Let me know which. Sign me up - I'll see you tomorrow!

Hey, nice remix, here. You know, I actually don't agree with introducing the source earlier, per se - I personally feel it adds to the interest of the whole thing - but I agree that you should finish it as soon as possible so we can get an idea of the scope of the whole thing. I'll put it to you this way - I subbed a song a few weeks ago that took about 1 1/2 minutes to get to the source (which is longer than your song, I think), but out of a 5 minute song it takes the bite out of saving the source, so it should be alright. If your writing a long song, holding the source until later is a fine idea. If this isn't going to be much longer then I'd introduce it sooner. I would recommend using textures and harmonies from later in the song in the beginning more, though - that way the intro will sound like it's leading to the source rather than just opening the song up from somewhere. It reminds me of UT a lot. That's a good thing. Is that fading effect on the harmonies intentional or is that clipping? I can't tell . Keep us informed - I want to hear this when it's done!

Welcome to the OC WIP boards. Giving this a go... I'm not feeling it, for more reasons than the chip-tune factor. I don't hear anything when the metal is being done (I listen to metal regularly, so it isn't that I have anything against metal...). It's a 'wall of sound', so to speak, but there isn't any variations made to the harmonies (which even the source does well enough) and nothing is really audible in there due to the fact that all of the instruments share the same aural space. The chip-tune is pretty good, though - just don't overuse your trump card, there. Balrog certainly has metal potential, but this won't work for OC. Like everyone else has said, bring in more arrangement material for the metal portions and clean up the soundscape (a lot) and you may have a contender. Huzzah!

Sorry, man; I'd love to comment and/or critique it but I can't download it. Nope, I tried that. The computer I'm on doesn't like that host, I guess. I didn't think that answer was worth a bump

... go shoot yourself in the face, and if you survive, get the damn game now. Go shock - you can always get the holy freeze aura from the NM Act 2 minion. Hey, let me know when you all get on - I frankly can't wait for that patch and a fresh ladder, and it'd be good to actually be able to play with people. I'll probably either make a Curse/Bone synergy Necro or Wind Druid, and I'll certainly be on the hardcore ladder, so if your doing HC, let me know, damnit! The common Diablo law (for me, at least) - if your too low of a level then you need to push foward - almost always better to level at the highest place you can handle (unless your under 55 and you beat NM Baal - then you won't be able to beat the game... happened to me once, lol).

Look at the date - standards have changed since 2002. It's actually not the note-by-note thing that bothers me, either; it's the structure that you've got, there. Oh, I wasn't aware of that remix, either - the whole 'rockman' vs 'megaman' naming thing throws me off a bit followed by this... ...should hopefully make it clear what I'm talking about. The song's only two minutes atm, so adding something fresh here (e.g. not the source repetition, something of your own that is based on the source) will help this piece dramatically. Hope this helps clear up what I'm saying

... By the way, GLL, what the hell do you expect us to do with a 20 second source!? I like the challenge, though . I'm gettting something pretty good out of it, so no worries, I guess (what can I say, I'm resourceful like that...)

This has got to be the best constructive comment I've ever received on my work, ever. lol, well, I'll let my brother know that his constructive comment is appreciated.

Hey, your the reason I even downloaded the game... [Just got into it] = [when I got involved with the Holonic project] Agreed. I've already played through it a whole bunch of times (got all the pics, done 'immortal' and 'no kill' runs, etc.). It's just that hard to put down. By the way, the new soundtrack is alright. It's better for the 'pacifist' path in the game rather than the 'kill everything' path, though (although I really like the boss music for that version - it's at least on par with the original version that was incredible in it's own right).

Neither have I... bwahaha. The intro is shorter, thank you for doing that for us. It gets us into the meat of the material a bit quicker. Now, I'll add that the last two repetitions of the source really have no variation a all, so it makes me bored. Cut instruments, add textures or simply change a few notes around in the other two repetitions. I still don't hear enough source in there, though in general (although coming back to the source at 3:19 helped a lot). You don't use the melodic material from the second section - try introducing that in there in some places. Better. Still not enough source, and still a bit too much repetition, but a lot better than before.

haHA! I'm glad you caught that (actually, ever since the mid-16th century, to be precise) - but look at what you wanted. You needed a beefier line, not two individual voices.Here, this is a tiny snippit from the tut I'm writing that goes over this very detail (a very tiny snippit, by the way)... I'm actually not talking in strict counterpoint terms, here; octaves will beef out the line better than a fifth because the fifth naturally introduces notes outside of the key area (which makes for some wrong notage, there). I'd use a combination of different instruments if you want to beef it at the unison, though - otherwise you won't really get a change in sound that couldn't be achieved with the mixer settings.Don't get me wrong - parallel fifths have their uses, but those used here make the music sound worse; octaves and unisons sound betterm there. Don't worry, it isn't a failure (otherwise I would've said 'Better luck next mix'... lol); it has potential, and I want to see it fulfilled . Good point... Actually, I'd do what I did in school and take every single theory and composition course offered in your school and sift through what you know applies to what you want and what doesn't. Hey, all I'd recommend is for you to read my counterpoint thing (when I get the damn thing finished; it's taking a shitload more time than I originally thought) - you'll find out in detail more of what I'm talking about, here. I'll work hard on it just for you, SLyGeN. Really? I thought you were pointing me out to the production quality... I didn't want to say anything, lol. Did you want feedback on some of that from a compositional view? I'd be more than happy to oblige, but I didn't know that's what you wanted, there.

I'm sorry to hear that... A few months ago I was on that same boat (missing power supply). Oh well, I trust the next update will be epic, so I'll be tuning in to this thread once again when you do!