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the mellotron is also just a "tape replay keyboard". you can call both of them a "sampler" as well, i guess.
man, someone put up a chamberlin soundfont on newgrounds.com, in like 2014. i REALLY loved the soundfont. much more so than the popular mellotron sounds, however classic those are deemed to be.
i lost the soundfont along with my laptop in 2016, and never managed to find it again. these were SERIOUSLY good sounds in the orchestral domain. and using them in FL Studio's soundfont player was perfect.
i wish i could find that soundfont again. what plugin or sample bank are you using that samples the chamberlin? i think i'd even go through the hassle of making soundfonts out of original .WAV recordings from the chamberlin, because they really were that good.
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that intro is as etched into my mind as the TMNT series intro. seen it so many times at my cousin's house in the early nineties.
quintessential barebone VG exposition. setting up everything in 60 deliberately cliched seconds, and it's just kind of perfect. aged really well if you ask me.
though the music starts to suck after level 2. seems like the guy ran out of ideas....should've gone 100% leitmotif. didn't matter to me back then, as i rarely ever got to level 3.
"with your girlfriend as hostage, he plans to seize the ultimate power..."
man, that makes no sense at all! unless he gains power in some way by making alex suffer....
well, i suppose that's pretty deep.
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on reddit...which i'm quickly realising isn't the best platform for this without a dedicated sub.
but here goes:
i might start a discord for this, but i need some time to figure it out. there's definitely loads of people interested in this, but then you gotta wade out who has a legit updated FL version, and find a way to stay in touch. reddit seems pretty terrible for that.
anyway, just letting you FL people know, i think this is still a great idea for creating some really wonky material.
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all in all, hella good site. really formative. not without problems. partly, my own.
truth be told, the judging institution and the whole "aura" surrounding it was pure ego mindfuck for insecure me seeking appreciation (and being bad at admitting it, naturally).
perfect site for me would've been a strange concoction made of OCR and OLR ingredients that never quite happened...hek i could've nudged the site a little into that direction along with other folks.....woulda shouda.
here's one purely theoretical example:
as a JUJ i would've fought to the death to never remove Daknit's Simlish-mix in the purge. as awesome as his shitty Music Maker - prefab Techno piece with the Deckard Cain speech was, i probably wouldn't have fought for keeping that - it's just the verbatim speech in linear fashion, after all. the Sims mix, however - that was pure acid techno spoken word music collage. brilliant idea, should have stayed on the site just to highlight creative multiplicity and question what is music, what is sound, what is arrangement, sampling, collage, blabla.
again, tiny example, indicating larger principle - fuck that mix. it's just one. i'm talking thousands upon thousands of decisions in aggregate.
talk about me: i always dreamt of making these awesome "OLR" style, but next level remixes 10+ years ago, stuff that transcends quality standards and thus contributes to keeping stuff fresh. didn't end up doing much of that. woulda been cool.
the judge's panel in hindsight was cool in its own way... at the very least, it created a lot of "lore" as part of a legendary site.
but...as a whole, i think the mentality over the years didn't push to be PUNK enough. the site could've used more PINK and maybe PANK decisions to keep it as bustling and vibrant as it once was.
you guys MADE the site with your blood and sweat and tears and all that other stuff. you`re great. thanks. i am posting this in an appreciation thread. stupid me.
i tend to say stuff i wanna get across in this edgy fashion that maybe sucks, but when i try to soft-cushion/mediate/sandwich it, it just gets worse -
WHAT I WANNA SAY IS, I THINK OCREMIX OR A SIMILAR SITE SHOULD STILL BE MASSIVELY HUGE BECAUSE IT IS AN AWESOME INSTITUTION FOR CREATIVE OUTLET!!!! WHY ISN'T IT?!?!?!
i genuinely mean that, i DON'T REALLY KNOW WHY IT'S NOT. "NOT PUNK ENUF" is not meant as some scathing critique...it's my tiny simplified opinion meme bit on the matter.
i think this whole scene kind of grew old but not wise enough to become the kickass underground cross-generational thingumagick that VG remixing deserves...and i think DJP in principle had the stuff to do it. enthusiastic dude. you inspired a LOT of people to start with music.
i guess my style of appreciation comes a little crooked...
this site still deserves to thrive. it sucks that it aint.
but thanks for the exp!!
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this is something different. i`m actually prepared to spend 1800 bucks on this. considering what this is, it doesn`t even seem pricey.
don`t judge by the first sound in the video (though it ain`t bad). there´s some state of the art physical modeling in there. i heard some incredible violins, for example. just the stuff you`d want for this special type of keyboard.)
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skarby is irreplacable for me precisely because you don`t need any keyswitches to churn out funky basslines. i hate keyswitches, man
but i hate the NI Access software. i always end up installing something else from that all-in-one package i got 5 years ago. after that i quickly realise i don`t like all these "new" fangled plugins and deinstall it all again. i`m sure i`ve done it once every year atleast.
i`m just damaged goods when it comes to this. i hate having loads of theoretically very good plokins that i can`t really appreciate and that end up hampering my creativity.
to make it clear: i deliberately opened a new NI account and bought the bass i already owned (atleast it was on 50% discount), just so that all these other fucking plugins don`t show up in the fucking Access software. yup. that`s how bad it is for me.
talking about drums...addictive drums 1 was the first pricy plugin thing outside of fruity loops i ever bought. must`ve been 2007. i`m happy about this. it`s so good that it made me realise you can forget about the software upgrade craze once a certain base quality is covered. sufficient round robins, good sounds. no cpu, only takes 1.2 gb on HD.
i am using a 150 euro netbook for music atm. 64 gb ssd
it amazes me that this is basically enough for my needs today.
i do appreciate the long blog post - it`s nice to hear you found personal peace in simplicity.
the ukraine-russia-stuff is quite a mess and i can`t say i understand it too well - my problem is just the masses of people that seem to have it all figured out and become ez mode opinionated zombies. it just seems so cheap.
actually, it`s quite funny; seeing the NI retard boycot gave me some rather illogical but effective comfort in considering that maybe, just maybe, my plugin related problems aren`t just down to my silly OCD, but that subconsciously, the mass market consumerist vibe of those things always rubbed me the wrong way....like corporate voodoo, or something.
(it`s probably just OCD, but hey, who knows.)
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hey mi, funny to read this here.
i agree completely.
it is that spirit of berlin. seems like they all lost their mind in that fucking city. brainless dittoheads. it`s babylonian madness, kind of.
i ditched all my native instrument stuff years ago because i am helplessly OCD about too many plugins, but recently decided to get a new account and just buy the one instrument from them i kind of need, the MM Bass from Skarby. seeing this fucking bonkers boycott message spawned a weird reaction.... somewhere between flabbergastment and not-surprised-by-pretty-much-anything-anymore-these-days.
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there`s some really well organised sf2s in that collection. the Rare stuff in particular. it`s a gold mine for people who are into digging up *trashure* from old romplers. just what i am into.
awesome!
p.s. even though i`m not getting any fucking music done, i think i just made up the word "trashure". if not, please let me dwell in the illusion that i am the first to use it a little longer.
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it's alright.
i think this is my fav tune from terranigma. that's probably why i think this doesn't fully do it justice. i tried to remix it once and failed.
it has this kind of melody that i've never heard elsewhere, and that really grew on me after prolonged play.
it could make for a really legendary remix in my mind, one that would be near impossible to pull off. you'd have to get super lucky or/and be extremely skilled. that's my opinion.
so, good tune choice anyway, hoboka! sorry, but my expectations for this particular tune are sky high.
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"thrash metal mode" is like the most inconsistent mode, completely made up by tryhard musicians lacking any theory. locrian mode can accidentally describe a lot of metal riffs, just because it's so dissonant.
the most classic example of metal chromaticism is surely the intro riff of "master of puppets". i'm sure you know it.
but that's only descending...there's way more possibilities.
the second riff in this song (0:21) is actually a good example of what i meant!
e|-----------------------------------------------------------------| B|-----------------------------------------------------------------| G|-----------------------------------------------------------------| D|-----------------------------------------------------------------| A|-----2-----3-----4-----3-----2-2-----2-----3-----5\4---5\4---5\4-| E|-0-1---0-1---0-1---0-1---0-1-----0-1---0-1---1-0-3\2-0-3\2-0-3\2-|it uses the minor second, as well as the major second at the end. as well as both the minor and major sixth (the "3"s and "4"s on the "A" string, which make that classic "james bond" theme sound).try making a melody in locrian...but you could just as well try to tack on a different section with a melody in myxolydian, or minor blues scale, or wtf ever! this type of contrast is often what makes boss themes great! -
the site just told me i am a "collaborator" now.
that sounds questionable.
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i haven't done anything with my WIP for some days - i hope i'll get sth done.
atleast i used my age old MidiNes cartridge in the process. that's already very cool. i learned from youtube videos that it's a very rare item by now ;D
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that's a nice name. thought it german because of the family name.
i thought the choir fit nicely because everything before that is pretty synthetic, so it sounds relatively organic in comparison.
if thinking in the greek modes helps you compose that's alright, but there's no rule either saying that you'd have to stick with a mode.
what i'm hearing is what i call something like "dissonant thrash metal guitar riff" mode (because i learned most about it while learning classic metal guitar like metallica or slayer riffs.) it doesn't matter so much if it's a guitar or something else, it's about rhythm and dissonance. strictly thinking in the old diatonic modes isn't necessarily the best for doing good powerful and dark riffs like that - you might find that breaking it up with occasional chromaticism can work wonders. for example, the minor and major second can both sound very good in one riff if they're somehow used well interchangingly - and that's already beyond any of those modes. just something to keep in mind when composing stuff like this. the added freedom can be quite rewarding once you find out what you can do with it.
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no you don't need anything like that, it just has to feel right.
upload a version of the track that shows a full loop. i like the choir stuff btw, sounds good.
this sounds quite ok compositionally, as a boss tune. there's not enough energy in the synth riffs during the first 25 secs and that's more of a sound and mixing problem. but it's not bad man.
boss tracks especially are a great opportunity to go wild and fuck theory. have fun, you're doing good (really.)
but do provide a proper loop. it's all about how the track loops, especially if it's just a minute long.
btw is uffe a real name?
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i think i'll finish something.
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ultimate guitar kit by gregjazz is still the best lead guitar in soundfont format.
just saying!1
(gregjazz is orangetree b4 he gone commercial)
it's my one soundfont for lonely island if i could just pick one. it's really good. those slide releases at high velocity that's some good shit man. uh yea
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man, this is very tangential but whatever:
just after writing the last post, i fired up fruity loops and did this random dissonant piano thing with a soundfont, and then thought a strings line would be nice with it; i remembered i had bought this physical modeling cello months or years ago, which sounded very cool but took away 50% cpu on its own! so i ditched it back then.
i just put it back in my vst folder and completely lucked out on writing a lively sounding part with it. loaded up a breakbeat, and it's kinda going in the direction now of what venetian snares did with strings and breaks on that one album. it still takes up half the cpu but who cares if it just stays piano, cello and beats.
awesome! one little bit of buyer's remorse curse lifted from my shoulders, it would seem!
chheerss
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writing really good (sounding) stuff is all about personalisation, and that is basically achieved by genuinely playing with what you got lying around. i think that's a perfect term. you play with your stuff, and it gets as involved as playing with an instrument, only that it works a bit different with sequencing. maybe you're more diligent or disciplined or nitty gritty or chaotic and happy go lucky about the way you play, but it all results in immersion and flow, and then cool stuff happens.
i have trouble with pristine, complex libraries and such. i feel like they're playing me rather than i play them, and my buyer's remorse extends to me even feeling that i'm not worthy of them, because i don't get much done with most of them. i'm happy with the few big products i ended up using a ton. otherwise, i really dig soundfonts and such. because you HAVE to personalise them, else it sounds like crap.
who am i to talk in this thread though! i never composed for anything noteworthy, i'm just verbalising my ten+ years of VST related OCD, buyer's remorse, and creative ruts here
so, generic advice resulting from this questionable experience: if you buy something big, research it well beforehand, be certain about it, and then try to love it and make some beautiful shit with it before buying anything else! even though it's virtual, it's very similar to the guitar standing in your bedroom or whatever. you either love it to bits, or it may become this thing loaded with frustration and missed potential.
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i am sure that frank zappa on his synclavier in the late 80s could have done a cool OST for pretty much any game.
it would've been interesting, at any rate.
he did the bedroom producer thing atleast 10 years before any of us. only that it cost $100.000++++ back then.
the synclavier had its own qualities and intricacies that are incomparable with later tech, i guess (i heard it`s more like resynthesis), but basically, it`s soundfont v0.1.
we have way too many options. we really only need time and experimentation. i mean, if you wanna do it with heart.
if you wanna do it with speed, you need the libraries.
easy, right?
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that's a whole bunch! did you do all of those yourself?
so much work man....
all i ever did was make my own Secret of Mana kontakt patches, way back in 2009.
do you have a soundfont you think you got 100% right? making a game soundfont is like a meticulous game in itself, and getting 100% or close enough is no small feat...some loop points are real bitches.
there's a relatively new vst out by plogue, and that just takes all the correct loop points from the .spc's.
it's very nice, but i don't really wanna use that. i prefer using soundfonts in FL.
so, thank you xouman!
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3 hours ago, timaeus222 said:
Y'all wild, just make it natural sheesh
I simply use the index on the left button and wheel, middle finger on the right button
it is the year 2022, the future, and the world is running out of topics. a dystopia of digital boredom.
the zombies of this forsaken age don't need "BRAINS"... they're starving for "CONTENT!"
in this barren landscape of "been there done that", a topic like this becomes a singularily tasty morsel of "oh gee, i never thought about that."
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On 7/27/2022 at 5:27 PM, markshell said:
That was exactly what I was going for though
yeah, i figured as much. be proud of what you've done.
and that's exactly the idea with "prog", always a lot of options to carry it different places. what i'm talking about would be a quite different tune.
OCR01267 - Final Fantasy IX "Hunter's Community Chest"
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rereading the judges' decisions, it even spawned an important little discussion about judging priorities among you guys. this type of controversy is the stuff that keeps things and minds fresh, innit?
it resonates well with what i was trying to get across recently, in the "appreciation of OCR" thread.
lion, don't take it as a diss, but with the gazillion of things you judged, i'm sure you were dead wrong on more than 4 occasions. you'll only ever know it when you or someone else in your music appreciation circle comes to love the track in question later, and you come around to seeing it in a new light!
how many tracks did you judge in your jujtime? 5000? 10000? no one can ask of you to reevaluate all of those and gain new respect for whatever hidden gems were in there, but there could easily be 50-100 in there that got a pretty firm NO from you but might make you scratch your head at a later point.
personal disclaimer: i only submitted 5 tracks ever, and i was thankful that the panel could appreciate my first 4 attempts at the time...i made each of those tracks as good as i could, with my ability at the time.
the 5th one was a track i quite liked, but i realised it wasn't fully fleshed out. i actually submitted it partly because i was in the spirit of "ah fuck it, you're still afraid of getting a NO from the judges after 10 years on this site, that's so silly."
so from a personal standpoint, i never had trouble with the judging system. i also respect the 50:50 ratio for example, it's a good rule if you have to get nitty gritty.
but what about the gazillion of other tracks, a few of which bound to come from people with a very particular and quirky vision of music.
i don't think a margin of error of 1% is such a terrible thing to theoretically admit, with such a subjective thing as music no less.
P.S.: it's super funny that, and how, Prot NO'd this particular track. one of my OCR music heroes of old. i'd like to ask him if he'd still NO it these days. haha.