WillRock Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 For those who don't know, Allan Holdsworth is a jazz fusion guitarist who is known for his.. rather unique take on music. So, I'd like to get a mass of different opinions on this. Listen to the follow track: Now, is this song an example musical genius, with unique and awesome chord shapes/modes/scales OR is it an unlistenable incoherent and nonsensical mess that has no musical merit? Or is it a bit of both? Now... based on your viewpoint, I don't believe there is a right or wrong answer, but TRY not to get too heated in this topic if you disagree with someone plz? Play nice If you're interested in my personal opinion, I find it somewhat nonsensical, but I love the ideas present and I believe it warrants some study in order to help people create music with some originality and flair. What do you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelCityOutlaw Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 I find it "this video is not available" for that is what it tells me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillRock Posted July 26, 2015 Author Share Posted July 26, 2015 I find it "this video is not available" for that is what it tells me. Sadly to be expected for some people. It is youtube after all. Look it up on youtube. Maybe you'll find a version of the video that isn't blocked in your country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moseph Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 I kept waiting for it to get weird and trippy and incoherent, and then it ended. It sounds like good, solid jazz to me -- no more, no less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slimy Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 I kept waiting for it to get weird and trippy and incoherent, and then it ended. It sounds like good, solid jazz to me -- no more, no less. Yeah, I've heard jazz that was way less coherent than this. The parts where the song "broke down" still felt under control and made some melodic sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eino Keskitalo Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 Cool tune. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkDjinn Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Immediate thought: this sounds like a jazz fusion version of Extol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixto Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Dat legato! I've always loved Holdsworth. Yeah, he's capable of playing some complex stuff, but it's still always easy to follow and tap my foot to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabeel Ansari Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 Yeah, I'm not sure what you're going on about, Will; this is relatively expected in terms of jazz fusion. There's a lot more "out" stuff than this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillRock Posted August 8, 2015 Author Share Posted August 8, 2015 Yeah, I'm not sure what you're going on about, Will; this is relatively expected in terms of jazz fusion. There's a lot more "out" stuff than this. Whats "expected" in a certain style wasn't the point. Try asking someone who doesn't listen to jazz fusion or other experimental genres - which is a lot of people. A lot of musicians find it too much as well, which is why I asked. Based on the responses here, you all find it quite acceptable but a lot of people I asked personally (including some people from OCR) found it to out there to be enjoyable. Not that they all did, but it was roughly half the people I asked. I was curious on other peoples opinions here so rather than ask in person, I made a thread. Getting a much more one sided answer here, which is interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabeel Ansari Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 "Now, is this song an example musical genius, with unique and awesome chord shapes/modes/scales OR is it an unlistenable incoherent and nonsensical mess that has no musical merit? Or is it a bit of both? " Posing your question like this seemed to imply that this kind of stuff is new/avant garde; so I felt compelled to answer that it isn't. It's just further down the virtuoso rabbit hole than what most people listen to. I personally don't really care for it, no, it sounds more like noodlery/wankery than coherent musical thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timaeus222 Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 I found the lead melodic contour to be somewhat noodly/meandering and/or busy at 0:56 - 1:08 and 1:14 - 1:43 (was waiting for it to take a bit of a break; 1:48 - 1:58 made more sense written that way IMO), but harmonically it still made sense. Smartly written, but I felt like less scales would have helped make it more memorable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gario Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 Sounds okay to me. It's fairly light, for the fusion jazz genre.'Course, I can also understand why others would be turned off - the progressions are very uncommon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnWake Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 I love this type of chord progressions. I didn't entirely dig the guitar solo though, it had some cool melodies but a lot of senseless (in a way, it was still fitting with the chords haha) wankery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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