Jay-Z song uses Chrono Trigger sample? **FALSE - MYTHBUSTED**

[chrono26]

But as far as sampling goes, I think my soul died when Mario Winans used Enya's Boadicea in I Don't Wanna Know.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XUrJdf4PbEk

fugees used it first in ready or not but without permission.enya was gonna sue em but they worked it out.

[Mustin]

Hey, I have a wicked idea.

STOP FUCKING SAMPLING AND MAKE YOUR OWN DAMN MUSIC!*

*arranging a piece shows that you're actually doing something, instead of just taking a section of someone else's completed song and sticking it into your "song."

let the war begin

[Devyn]

Hey, I have a wicked idea.

STOP FUCKING SAMPLING AND MAKE YOUR OWN DAMN MUSIC!*

*arranging a piece shows that you're actually doing something, instead of just taking a section of someone else's completed song and sticking it into your "song."

let the war begin

Doesn't this kinda go against the idea of 'remixing' and this site that 'remixes' video game music, and your group, who 'remixes' and 'reinterprets' music written by Japanese composers?

[Radiowar]

Borrowing musical ideas (i.e. melodies, chord progressions, etc.) has occurred in some form or another in every style or genre of music that has ever existed. Sampling isn't really any different.

[Mustin]

Sampling shows no effort.

megadave, see my asterik where I say there's nothing wrong with arranging music (what we call "remixing" here).

[Harmony]

Sampling shows no effort.

That's a pretty broad statement that needs some qualification, wouldn't you agree?

It takes very little effort to sample a cool drum loop, ctrl+c ctrl+v 50 times, then throw some vocals or a guitar solo over it.

It takes more effort to sample a cool drum loop, ctrl+c ctrl+v 50 times, then make significant additions to the loop in terms of song structure, original leads, other supporting instruments, etc.

I'd say it takes a great deal of effort and creativity to sample a cool drum loop, creatively chop it up, arrange it, mix it, process it, then start adding other original elements. In fact, I'd say it takes just about as much effort as it takes to "write" a vg remix where the main melody has already been created by someone else.

[The Damned]

Wait... are we still going to be angry about this, or what?

[chrono26]

sampling can incorporate just as much work as creating something new. heres an example.

source tune - Rick James - Superfreak

http://youtube.com/watch?v=75qXUfp4wtw

Bad/Easy sampling

http://youtube.com/watch?v=EMzoBkaFxh4

Very Good/very very creative sampling

the good beat chops up the sample and mixes different sections and puts it together in a way that makes it feel very natural

[Mustin]

source tune - Rick James - Superfreak

http://youtube.com/watch?v=75qXUfp4wtw

Bad/Easy sampling

http://youtube.com/watch?v=EMzoBkaFxh4

This is what I'm talking about.

I'm not talking about the latter. As Harmony said, it takes time and effort.

I just don't like effortless sampling. And I'd rather people just didn't sample at all. But I do it myself sometimes so that's how the world works, no?

[MechaFone]

Wait... are we still going to be angry about this, or what?

Dunno, Damned. I got rebuked for having my own opinion.

[Imagist]

So wait. I just have one question.

Are you guys calling this a "sweet beat" serious, or is this whole thread meant to be taken with a healthy dose of roffle?

[Jato]

the making of this track

[chrono26]

i wouldnt call it the "making of" but its still cool.

[Arek the Absolute]

So wait. I just have one question.

Are you guys calling this a "sweet beat" serious, or is this whole thread meant to be taken with a healthy dose of roffle?

I actually enjoy the beat. Don't know about the others, but seriously do like the song.

[The Legendary Zoltan]

So do most rappers make their music with keyboards like that? The dude, just recorded the drums with his keyboard right? And do they just buy a really nice keyboard that has great sounds or do they try and make their own sounds with samples and stuff?

[Harmony]

the making of this track

I had no idea the ASR-10 was such a popular sampler with the big boys of hip hop production. I didn't bother looking it up, but Kanye claims it's from the early 90's which probably means it only allows up to 44.1kHz, right!? Makes me even more skeptical about the hype and push towards 192kHz recording.

And oh, Kanye samples more frequently and more "lazily" than Jay-Z ever has, yet I still love him. I mean what can I say? The man's beats are hot.

[Mustin]

I can say they're not. I hate Kanye's productions. And Timbaland's. And anyone who effortlessly samples (except for Warren G's "Regulators" because god damn, I've always loved the Michael McDonald song and they did a good enough spin on it - oh, and they reperformed it so it's not technically a sample).

Yeah, ASR-10 is real popular. But the Akai MPC seams to be the most popular with the kids these days (along with Fruitypoops).

CHIPP, I think most producers use a combination of their own samples they've collected in addition to sampling/cutting other music. Personally, I only use live instruments and softsynths for all of my production work. I prefer to make music from scratch (seeing as how I can and most producers can't, giving me an edge over a heavily saturated area of expertise).

[Blake]

For those who aren't quite satisfied with Jay-Z or Kanye (they may sample, but I still find their beats enjoyable to listen to), listen to Common. He's an extremely amazing rapper- saw him live. His band is just extremely talented- a bunch of guys who love doing what they do. The best hip hop you'll really hear that doesn't sample. (If they do sample, it's from their own creation, or a light sample of maybe Martin Luther or something.)

[Mustin]

'cept Common's album is Kanye-beat-made.

Love his rhymes and style though (and he was cool in Smokin' Aces).

It always seems the socially conscious rappers have the music that I don't like for some reason. le sigh

[chrono26]

c'mon mustin, kanye does NOT effortlessly sample. pick out the little parts that he picks out and chops to make these beats

source - http://youtube.com/watch?v=hTqoDkVdjZs

beat - http://youtube.com/watch?v=Vqn5f2ISnvo

source -

beat - http://youtube.com/watch?v=bZrhRrd1i40

source - http://youtube.com/watch?v=sgObIx5bihQ

beat - http://youtube.com/watch?v=Sn7Nx6eR_GE

cant find the original for this but its not just a rip of it

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9K9K-dupyHs

source - http://youtube.com/watch?v=i8cFA2IQcGM

beat - http://youtube.com/watch?v=jD29K9lFBs8

cant find this original either but here's the beat

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ARggcHkxP2Y

even the beats that he makes from scratch are tight..like this one

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ygfAXbNauGQ

i could go all day. he makes good beats. very musical

[danimal cannon]

I can say they're not. I hate Kanye's productions. And Timbaland's. And anyone who effortlessly samples (except for Warren G's "Regulators" because god damn, I've always loved the Michael McDonald song and they did a good enough spin on it - oh, and they reperformed it so it's not technically a sample).

So true.

If you smoke like I smoke, then you're high like every day.

[Harmony]

Yeah, ASR-10 is real popular. But the Akai MPC seams to be the most popular with the kids these days (along with Fruitypoops).

Yeah, but that's nothing new. The MPC in all its incarnations has been popular in hip-hop since its birth. Personally, I wonder why this has been the case. I’d take a keyboard over drum pads any day of the week, so is it the portability of the MPC’s that has got hip-hop producers mesmerized? Is it this famous great quality of the ‘MPC sound’ that I hear about? What?

I hate Kanye's productions. And Timbaland's….

I guess I should ask why, but I’ll go out on a limb and assume it’s in one way or another related to this:

…Personally, I only use live instruments and softsynths for all of my production work. I prefer to make music from scratch (seeing as how I can and most producers can't, giving me an edge over a heavily saturated area of expertise).

No need to start climbing the high-and-mighty live-instruments-are-better-than-samples tree unless you have something more substantive than a claimed ‘edge’ over other producers to keep you from falling. Your ‘edge’ only has a realizable benefit if your final product is in some way better than that of ‘most producers.’ And since we’re talking about hip-hop, I seriously doubt that the ability to play bass gives you or any other producer the ability (real or perceived) to make more successful, popular, creative or unique beats.

[Kadosho]

Interesting bgm tune, but whatever the case may be, whats done is done. And I can't disagree maybe hip-hop is running out of ideas. Might be fun to hear a Zelda beat going to some lyrics (battle theme maybe?) *ok i kid, but you never know how the industry is these days.

[Jaybell]

did someone say timbaland?

[Mustin]

No need to start climbing the high-and-mighty live-instruments-are-better-than-samples tree unless you have something more substantive than a claimed ‘edge’ over other producers to keep you from falling. Your ‘edge’ only has a realizable benefit if your final product is in some way better than that of ‘most producers.’ And since we’re talking about hip-hop, I seriously doubt that the ability to play bass gives you or any other producer the ability (real or perceived) to make more successful, popular, creative or unique beats.

Well, I don't just play bass. Plus I make a living from producing Hip-Hop in my region, and am arguably the most sought-after producer for Pop/Hip-Hop/R&B in said region at this point.

So you can say and think what you want (please do), but I have cred kthx.