DarkeSword Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 (using equations in posts + 4) / (pie)^(1/3) = banana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.L.Condon Posted April 14, 2011 Author Share Posted April 14, 2011 Ok, so I think I see where everyone is coming from. I see that there is an originality that comes with the creation of your own sounds. However, what ever sound you use should fit your artistic vision for the song. I think my question is answered now. (My answered question)*1.28/ maximum rofl = end of thread ? Sorry about the math here. It's one of my weaker subjects.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozovian Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 If you knew that to be true, why didn't you mention it in your previous post? Sorry, I think you are still lost, or backpedalling. No evidence to believe otherwise at this point. You fail to read sarcasm, then fail to recognize it when it's pointed out to you and then say _I'm_ lost? Wow, you really know how to read stuff. <-The previous sentence was sarcasm. This is for you: -- Anyway, I heard a GarageBand loop in the outro music for a news program on tv some years ago. It instantly felt like it was on my level (at the time) rather than professional. It felt newby. It felt like someone had just cobbled together some presets and loops and made money on it. You know how newbs get some music software and feel entitled to have their supposed genius recognized with whatever crap they post? This was the opposite, where I felt entitled to have my supposed genius recognized for making music that's not based on a bunch of presets and loops, stuff that's fully* my own. *tho I don't produce my own electricity, or even make my own synth plugins I mean, if newby mcn00bster* can get his music on tv, why don't I get mine on there? (perhaps it has something to do with that I rarely actually finish any of mine? ) *I have no idea how pro the writer of said music piece is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleck Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 how does using a synth that somebody else programmed in a DAW that somebody else programmed on a computer that somebody else built somehow make you a better musician answer: it doesn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazygecko Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 Anyone who doesn't make music in a custom-built modular synthesizer is a n00b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenPi Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 Anyone who doesn't mine their own metal to build a bike, to generate electricity, for a custom made synthesizer, which was hand crafted, programmed, and put together by themselves, and hooked up to a custom built computer, with a custom OS, and a custom DAW, with a custom firewire interface to record said custom synthesizer, to a custom sound format and put it on a custom internet is a noob Unless you've done that, you suck at making music. End of discussion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambient Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 Anyone who doesn't mine their own metal to build a bike, to generate electricity, for a custom made synthesizer, which was hand crafted, programmed, and put together by themselves, and hooked up to a custom built computer, with a custom OS, and a custom DAW, with a custom firewire interface to record said custom synthesizer, to a custom sound format and put it on a custom internet is a noobUnless you've done that, you suck at making music. End of discussion ROFL!!! I actually busted out laughing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazygecko Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 In the future, everyone's main DAW will be Minecraft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
analoq Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 You fail to read sarcasm, then fail to recognize it when it's pointed out to you and then say _I'm_ lost? Wow, you really know how to read stuff. <-The previous sentence was sarcasm.This is for you: You are lost. Neblix informed me he wasn't really being sarcastic. As much of an ass you've made out of yourself, I am prepared to accept an apology. Either way, I'm wishing you better literacy in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabeel Ansari Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 You are lost. Neblix informed me he wasn't really being sarcastic.As much of an ass you've made out of yourself, I am prepared to accept an apology. Either way, I'm wishing you better literacy in the future. In Rozovian's defense, I was not entirely being serious either. I told you this also, but you chose to ignore it. You've made an ass out of yourself. (using equations in posts + 4) / (pie)^(1/3) = banana Y = logtroll Judge^x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
analoq Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 I was not entirely being serious either. You did not say that. Do you want me to post your message? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabeel Ansari Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 You did not say that. Do you want me to post your message? I'll do it. I wasn't exactly being sarcastic, but in Rozovian's defense, I wasn't really thinking about what I saying... (etc. rest of message) If you define sarcasm as not really caring about actually being truthful, then yes, I was being sarcastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
analoq Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 Yup. It's obvious that you weren't thinking, but that does not mean you were being sarcastic or unserious. If you define sarcasm as not really caring about actually being truthful, then yes, I was being sarcastic. That's not what sarcasm is. I wish you better literacy in the future as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowBlade Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 I don't give two shits if it's a preset or not. If your music sucks, it doesn't matter how awesome your tone is or how great your production quality. Polish a turd, it's still a turd. I'll take the best song with the worst production over the worst song with the best production any day. Though I play guitar and mostly metal music, where "presets" typically aren't used by most people because most guitar amps don't have them. The exception is most every keyboardist I can think of in the genre, and I'm talking the pros here, are using many preset sounds on their keyboards. So many bands.....I'll go through the Korg or Roland keyboards they have and boom, I've found the EXACT tone the keyboardist is using live and on the records. To me it's interesting how in Electronic music, there is this whole, dare I say elitist "fuck you ya preset using n00b" attitude but it's perfectly acceptable in other genres for musicians to use basically the same tone for years. That being said, Electronic music has a stronger focus on the tone. Part of the excitement of a good electronic song is hearing a sound you've never heard before and it's fun to screw around with synths to make new sounds. I still think that if a preset gets you what YOU want to hear, then mission accomplished. Bottom Line. "Haters gonna hate". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabeel Ansari Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 but that does not mean you were being sarcastic or unserious. I kinda was being unserious, and you don't get to dictate what I'm thinking. To get back on the actual topic, no, making your synths from the ground up doesn't make you a superior synth designer, however, IBBIAZ's synths are better than "bad presets", so he is a superior synth designer (I'm talkin about him and him only ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zircon Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 Ooook. Enough meta-discussion, guys... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexstyle Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 I'll take the best song with the worst production over the worst song with the best production any day. Oddly enough, I'm just the opposite. I'm first a producer and engineer, second a musician, and this tends to show in my tastes. I can't listen to a song if it's recorded/mixed poorly--I just can't look past the production errors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowBlade Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 Oddly enough, I'm just the opposite. I'm first a producer and engineer, second a musician, and this tends to show in my tastes. I can't listen to a song if it's recorded/mixed poorly--I just can't look past the production errors. Yeah I suppose it depends. Like you say, you're a producer and engineer first. I'm just a musician lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC Ricers Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 Presets are there for a reason, to give you a feel of what the instrument is capable of. A well-picked group of presets is a major selling point for them. Then again, many musicians can work their synths better than the people that designed and engineered them, like pro players that find exploits in games not found in the testing phase. When I want a particular sound, I often go to the present that sounds most like that, and tweak it from there. I kinda stop at loop packs for synth instruments though. If the loops sound a lot like presets, I think "why bother" and just use a synth and not a sampler. There's also the notion that (most) people here are musicians so these things are more glaringly obvious to us. To virgin ears, they don't care about the pieces as much as the whole of the song. I hear the same thing about DJs that don't seem to enjoy other DJ's shows as much as the average person because they can pick out technical flaws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustin Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 Are we talking about SYNTH synthetic sounds? What about a ROMpler? I mean, if it's a friggin' recording of a Fender Rhodes built into a playable "sample," how is that different than having that Fender Rhodes on your recording? I also hate the hardcores because they speak as if the impression is that Dave Grohl should change his drums on EVERY song, along with using a DIFFERENT guitar on every song and maybe even having a different vocalist on EVERY song. RIGHT?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Briggs Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 ok guys new rules all musicians are now expected to build a unique drumitar for every song they write* *possibly every 32 bars if snooty listeners are not pleased with variation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleck Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 I'm going to see them live this summer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dissidia Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 Presets save time, and I am all for saving time. Imagine if synths didn't have presets. Wouldn't that be awfully boring? You can draw inspiration from presets, and change them to faster get the sound you want. I am in the composer boat, if the composition is bad then it will sound bad. If the composition is good it will sound good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kidd Cabbage Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 Imagine if synths didn't have presets. Wouldn't that be awfully boring? That's how half my synths are. And the other half, I've never opened a preset, so it's all the same. It's actually a whole lot less boring to me than looking through presets. I have a thought in mind as to what I want, and I get down and make it. No wasting time puddling through bullshit, hoping to find something close to my vision. And analog, I'm referring to myself, as neblix said, in comparison to people who can't make them. I just don't see much point in someone who can synthesize from scratch digging through presets. And again, like I said before, my being able to synthesize doesn't make me a better musician than those who can't or any better at making music. It means I'm a better sound designer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Briggs Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 I'm going to see them live this summer! jellllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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