bucky o'hare Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 I see your point, but do you realize kids are hearing that music and think it's totally original? It reminds me of the time my buddy brought over his kid sister and saw me playing the OG Donkey Kong on NES. She saw me get the hammer and said, "They stole that from Smash Brothers."I asked him and her to leave. That is beautiful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noTuX Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 Damn kids and their damn iPods! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiggiDis Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 Now these are some asskicking beatmaking skillz. Search for "Czar's Timbo Sample Mix Vol" on p2p .. there's a bunch of people on this shit : Forums I can also advice you to check the Dr. Dre samplemixes. Like every track you'd think he did .. well he didn't .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neminem Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 So... tonight, I decided to have a bit of fun. Everytime a popular artist borrows something big, a mashup artist has been there to provide amusement in the form of a mix of the two: I think immediately of PartyBen's Computer Talk (of Coldplay v. Kraftwerk), and Cheekyboy's Tom Petty v. Chili Peppers. I wanted to get in on the action this time, so bam: neminem - Do Acid (Tempest v. Glenn v. Nelly Furtado) It's a bit dirty, still, since I obviously didn't have a 'pella or an instrumental to work with, just the originals. Incidentally, just overlaying the chiptune over the Furtado tune didn't sound that great - they're too similar in some ways, but not quite similar enough in other ways, so it just sounded off. What did sound good, though, was overlaying the original tune by tempest over the Furtado tune; then I added a bit more of the chiptune in places. Oh yeah. Then, while I was already there, I made this, as well: neminem - Acid Signs (Tempest v. Glenn v. Snoop Dogg). As you can see, Mustin: I consider what I do to be real music, of a (rather twisted) sort, even though I am perfectly happy to admit that I have no skill at writing anything of my own. What I do differently, though, is state explicitly where everything I stole came from. That's the difference between borrowing and plagiarism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Joker Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 That was awesome neminem! Though, I need to get my hands on a mp3 of acidjazzed evening, that's not on googlepages. Cause google pages suck with dial up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OverCoat Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 If you have dialup why don't you just play the .mod file? That way the song is only ~50kb instead of 3.5 MB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supremespleen Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Gecko's ytmnd is on the most viewed list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
po! Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 dang, too much emphasis on TIMBALAND here. it's obvious he sampled the tune, but i highly doubt he is the one actually responsible for clearing the samples. the Geffen legal team should take the blame here, not timbaland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitsuta Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 So... tonight, I decided to have a bit of fun. Everytime a popular artist borrows something big, a mashup artist has been there to provide amusement in the form of a mix of the two: I think immediately of PartyBen's Computer Talk (of Coldplay v. Kraftwerk), and Cheekyboy's Tom Petty v. Chili Peppers. I wanted to get in on the action this time, so bam: neminem - Do Acid (Tempest v. Glenn v. Nelly Furtado) It's a bit dirty, still, since I obviously didn't have a 'pella or an instrumental to work with, just the originals. Incidentally, just overlaying the chiptune over the Furtado tune didn't sound that great - they're too similar in some ways, but not quite similar enough in other ways, so it just sounded off. What did sound good, though, was overlaying the original tune by tempest over the Furtado tune; then I added a bit more of the chiptune in places. Oh yeah. Then, while I was already there, I made this, as well: neminem - Acid Signs (Tempest v. Glenn v. Snoop Dogg). As you can see, Mustin: I consider what I do to be real music, of a (rather twisted) sort, even though I am perfectly happy to admit that I have no skill at writing anything of my own. What I do differently, though, is state explicitly where everything I stole came from. That's the difference between borrowing and plagiarism. It helps that using parody puts your work under Fair Use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustin Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Not necessarily. You're still taking a copyrighted work and using it for your own purpose and then giving it away, which infringes on that copyright. A parody is Space Balls to Star Wars. They didn't actually use any of the Star Wars names, any of the same ships, actual Lightsabers - anything from the actual movie. That's a parody. What Weird Al does isn't a parody - he actually has to license the masters from the publishers and the record companies and then puts his own spin on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimberWolf Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 dang, too much emphasis on TIMBALAND here. it's obvious he sampled the tune, but i highly doubt he is the one actually responsible for clearing the samples. the Geffen legal team should take the blame here, not timbaland More like ILLEGAL TEAM. M i rite? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zircon Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Not necessarily. You're still taking a copyrighted work and using it for your own purpose and then giving it away, which infringes on that copyright. A parody is Space Balls to Star Wars. They didn't actually use any of the Star Wars names, any of the same ships, actual Lightsabers - anything from the actual movie. That's a parody. What Weird Al does isn't a parody - he actually has to license the masters from the publishers and the record companies and then puts his own spin on it. Yeah. Of course, Weird Al still might be able to argue fair use even if he *didn't* ask but it would be a legal headache that I'm sure he would rather not bother with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leress Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Not necessarily. You're still taking a copyrighted work and using it for your own purpose and then giving it away, which infringes on that copyright. A parody is Space Balls to Star Wars. They didn't actually use any of the Star Wars names, any of the same ships, actual Lightsabers - anything from the actual movie. That's a parody. What Weird Al does isn't a parody - he actually has to license the masters from the publishers and the record companies and then puts his own spin on it. Not really http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wierd_Al#Reactions_from_original_artists Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ab56 v2 aka Ash Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Wow man, I think Gecko and OCR by consequence caused a stir. Gecko's ytmnd is linked on a joystiq article on the subject: http://www.joystiq.com/2007/01/18/rap-song-samples-extensively-from-c64-demo/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Effector Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Wow, pretty awesome coverage there. I really like seeing this kind of stuff get spread all over the internet - getting the truth out. Nice work on the YTMND Gecko, it's quickly becoming the go-to synopsis of the whole debacle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supremespleen Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Weird Al does not legally have to request permission from artists to do songs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noTuX Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Weird Al does not legally have to request permission from artists to do songs. Yeah, he's a pimp like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Effector Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Yeah, he's a pimp like that. If by "pimp", we mean "person who parodies", then yes. Your post just makes it sound like he has some sort of special privilege, when in reality, anyone is protected by fair use as long as they sample for a parody or for historic/editorial purposes. Sorry, just wanted to clarify. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arek the Absolute Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Hope this gets digged as well, so that gecko also gets benefit from this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zircon Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Not exactly. Fair Use law is NOT all encompassing. It's determined on a case by case basis. Unlike laws about, say, sampling (ALWAYS illegal w/o permission, no matter how unrecognizable or how short) Fair Use is much more nebulous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Wizard Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 I have little to say on the controversy itself that hasn't already been said, but I'll be damned if this song by Tempest isn't catchy. It's been stuck in my head all day. I hope Tempest gets his due from all this exposure, one way or another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arek the Absolute Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 If anything, I hope a producer goes to tempest and asks him to create phat beats for him, so that way he can show Timbaland up at his own game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Effector Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Not exactly. Fair Use law is NOT all encompassing. It's determined on a case by case basis. Unlike laws about, say, sampling (ALWAYS illegal w/o permission, no matter how unrecognizable or how short) Fair Use is much more nebulous. I understand that, and the worst part is that the case rulings are so huge in number and often contradictory... I'm not a law major, and even if I was, I'm not sure it would make sense to me. BTW, though, I really like Gecko's YTMND because it gives good evidence that they are the same thing - the C64 version used arpeggios because of technical limitations (correct me if that's not right), and those still exist in the ringtone and "Do It". Good call Gecko, hope this gets out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire in the Hole Posted January 19, 2007 Share Posted January 19, 2007 This thread is still extremely disappointing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leress Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 Sorry for the thread necromancy http://www.fairlight.fi/tempest/acidjazzed_evening/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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