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Mr. Orange Pylon ..

I'm affraid you don't have an idea how MUCH timbaland relies on other peoples idea's ..

About EVERY hit you've heard of him ..

Someone elses work .. that he pitched / cut up / etc. just to fit his shit ..

Go and search for some sample mixes .. ( VA Samplemix ) there they will show you every original next to his compositions.

For a bigass hiphop producer .. he's not that creative.

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That's one damn catchy chiptune. Much better than the shit they turned it into. Nothing against any genre of music, but the original just sounds better to my ears.

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Mr. Orange Pylon ..

I'm affraid you don't have an idea how MUCH timbaland relies on other peoples idea's ..

About EVERY hit you've heard of him ..

Someone elses work .. that he pitched / cut up / etc. just to fit his shit ..

Go and search for some sample mixes .. ( VA Samplemix ) there they will show you every original next to his compositions.

For a bigass hiphop producer .. he's not that creative.

Could you give me a link? I'm a bit confused by the search results.

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Timbaland is not a good producer. He's a good sampler and borrower. If he would stop that and just make everything from scratch, it'd be a lot more respectable.

Um... no? If he would cite his sources, he'd be respectable. Sampling has been a mainstay of the genre for ages, and personally, I consider it the only good thing about the genre. I hate Rihanna, for instance, but I love S.O.S.... why? Because it samples Tainted Love. Not just a little bit here and there - Tainted Love is the focus of the entire instrumentation for the song, which makes the song awesome. This is even cooler, because it samples something dear to my heart, namely, chiptune music. Yes, he should state where he got his music from, so this sort of thing doesn't happen. But I think everyone is missing the really important piece, as far as I'm concerned: a mainstream musician just sampled a chiptune. I want to see more of this!

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I see your point, but do you realize kids are hearing that music and think it's totally original? It reminds me of the time my buddy brought over his kid sister and saw me playing the OG Donkey Kong on NES. She saw me get the hammer and said, "They stole that from Smash Brothers."

I asked him and her to leave.

I find it far more interesting and respectable when people make their own music. I very very very very rarely do sampling with any of my clients - I prefer to make everything myself. That said, I also don't mind remaking a song from scratch, just like we do here at OCR, and then putting their vocals on that.

Just show me you can actually write something on your own. To me, that's respect.

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I see your point, but do you realize kids are hearing that music and think it's totally original? It reminds me of the time my buddy brought over his kid sister and saw me playing the OG Donkey Kong on NES. She saw me get the hammer and said, "They stole that from Smash Brothers."

I asked him and her to leave.

That's absolutely hilarious.

Almost like saying that the harpsichord is a total rip-off of the piano.

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I see your point, but do you realize kids are hearing that music and think it's totally original? It reminds me of the time my buddy brought over his kid sister and saw me playing the OG Donkey Kong on NES. She saw me get the hammer and said, "They stole that from Smash Brothers."

I asked him and her to leave.

That is beautiful.

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Now these are some asskicking beatmaking skillz.

Search for "Czar's Timbo Sample Mix Vol" on p2p ..

there's a bunch of people on this shit : Forums

I can also advice you to check the Dr. Dre samplemixes.

Like every track you'd think he did .. well he didn't ..

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So... tonight, I decided to have a bit of fun. Everytime a popular artist borrows something big, a mashup artist has been there to provide amusement in the form of a mix of the two: I think immediately of PartyBen's Computer Talk (of Coldplay v. Kraftwerk), and Cheekyboy's Tom Petty v. Chili Peppers. I wanted to get in on the action this time, so bam:

neminem - Do Acid (Tempest v. Glenn v. Nelly Furtado)

It's a bit dirty, still, since I obviously didn't have a 'pella or an instrumental to work with, just the originals. Incidentally, just overlaying the chiptune over the Furtado tune didn't sound that great - they're too similar in some ways, but not quite similar enough in other ways, so it just sounded off. What did sound good, though, was overlaying the original tune by tempest over the Furtado tune; then I added a bit more of the chiptune in places.

Oh yeah. Then, while I was already there, I made this, as well:

neminem - Acid Signs (Tempest v. Glenn v. Snoop Dogg).

As you can see, Mustin: I consider what I do to be real music, of a (rather twisted) sort, even though I am perfectly happy to admit that I have no skill at writing anything of my own. What I do differently, though, is state explicitly where everything I stole came from. That's the difference between borrowing and plagiarism.

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dang, too much emphasis on TIMBALAND here. it's obvious he sampled the tune, but i highly doubt he is the one actually responsible for clearing the samples. the Geffen legal team should take the blame here, not timbaland

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So... tonight, I decided to have a bit of fun. Everytime a popular artist borrows something big, a mashup artist has been there to provide amusement in the form of a mix of the two: I think immediately of PartyBen's Computer Talk (of Coldplay v. Kraftwerk), and Cheekyboy's Tom Petty v. Chili Peppers. I wanted to get in on the action this time, so bam:

neminem - Do Acid (Tempest v. Glenn v. Nelly Furtado)

It's a bit dirty, still, since I obviously didn't have a 'pella or an instrumental to work with, just the originals. Incidentally, just overlaying the chiptune over the Furtado tune didn't sound that great - they're too similar in some ways, but not quite similar enough in other ways, so it just sounded off. What did sound good, though, was overlaying the original tune by tempest over the Furtado tune; then I added a bit more of the chiptune in places.

Oh yeah. Then, while I was already there, I made this, as well:

neminem - Acid Signs (Tempest v. Glenn v. Snoop Dogg).

As you can see, Mustin: I consider what I do to be real music, of a (rather twisted) sort, even though I am perfectly happy to admit that I have no skill at writing anything of my own. What I do differently, though, is state explicitly where everything I stole came from. That's the difference between borrowing and plagiarism.

It helps that using parody puts your work under Fair Use.

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Not necessarily. You're still taking a copyrighted work and using it for your own purpose and then giving it away, which infringes on that copyright. A parody is Space Balls to Star Wars. They didn't actually use any of the Star Wars names, any of the same ships, actual Lightsabers - anything from the actual movie. That's a parody. What Weird Al does isn't a parody - he actually has to license the masters from the publishers and the record companies and then puts his own spin on it.

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dang, too much emphasis on TIMBALAND here. it's obvious he sampled the tune, but i highly doubt he is the one actually responsible for clearing the samples. the Geffen legal team should take the blame here, not timbaland

More like ILLEGAL TEAM.

M i rite?

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Not necessarily. You're still taking a copyrighted work and using it for your own purpose and then giving it away, which infringes on that copyright. A parody is Space Balls to Star Wars. They didn't actually use any of the Star Wars names, any of the same ships, actual Lightsabers - anything from the actual movie. That's a parody. What Weird Al does isn't a parody - he actually has to license the masters from the publishers and the record companies and then puts his own spin on it.

Yeah. Of course, Weird Al still might be able to argue fair use even if he *didn't* ask but it would be a legal headache that I'm sure he would rather not bother with.

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Not necessarily. You're still taking a copyrighted work and using it for your own purpose and then giving it away, which infringes on that copyright. A parody is Space Balls to Star Wars. They didn't actually use any of the Star Wars names, any of the same ships, actual Lightsabers - anything from the actual movie. That's a parody. What Weird Al does isn't a parody - he actually has to license the masters from the publishers and the record companies and then puts his own spin on it.

Not really

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wierd_Al#Reactions_from_original_artists

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