zircon Posted August 6, 2007 Share Posted August 6, 2007 Except our remixes don't sample the original straight up with little alteration. If they do, they get form letter rejected. Don't get me wrong, I like "Harder, Better..." etc but after hearing all the comparisons - and that video only scratched the surface - I'm just a lot less impressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBoss Posted August 6, 2007 Share Posted August 6, 2007 Except our remixes don't sample the original straight up, which is a pretty obvious difference. Saying there's a difference between direct sampling and using a melody is just baseless semantics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GigaShadow Posted August 6, 2007 Share Posted August 6, 2007 I hate living in Texas sometimes. Stupid Daft Punk not coming here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zircon Posted August 6, 2007 Share Posted August 6, 2007 Saying there's a difference between direct sampling and using a melody is just baseless semantics. I'm sure djpretzel and the rest of the judges panel would disagree as well, as those 'baseless semantics' are one of the core principles in our submission standards. Unless you want us to go back to 2001 and start posting direct SPC rips with drums underneath.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zircon Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 Ah, music elitism.If it makes you feel any better, Daft Punk does actually reproduce some of the pieces "sampled," meaning that they're no different in practice than an OC ReMix. Judging by the scarcity of live remixes on this site I should hope this isn't a problem, because that would certainly be some kind of double standard. However, I don't think these mixes will ever get posted because they're not from games. Daft Punk does a lot of work adding stuff to their riffs. Sometimes the original is barely recognizable. Building an arrangement around a riff (can we use ostinato here? I say yes) is a skill itself. Now come on, I'm not being elitist. I'm not saying "DP is bad" or "they're thieves" or "they're cheapening music". I simply said I am less impressed by them, and that they're less creative than I thought they were. But anyway I'm sidetracking the topic... just wanted to throw my 2 cents in, not cause a debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBoss Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 Jjust wanted to throw my 2 cents in, not cause a debate. Welcome, my friend, to the internet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Sounds Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 that video only scratched the surface Actually, that was pretty much the bulk of what they sampled. There are sites that list a lot more, but Daft Punk stated most of those are false. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ifirit Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 Now com' on, Zircon. Why couldn't you take it in stride like lcd soundsystem? Turn some of that pessimism into creative juice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Sounds Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 I think the fact that they of HBFS and still made it rock is evidence of their talent. In the live version, one can still hear a small snippet of the original "Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger" intro, which is a chopped-up and filtered microsample from "Cola Bottle Baby". I guess it requires a trained ear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwordBreaker Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 Went to the August 7th one. I'm not a huge fan of Daft Punk, but that concert rocked my fucking socks off! AMAZING. The transitions between their songs were awesome. The lights were spectacular. The beats were super-cool. The encore where they played a remix of "One More Time" and changed their clothes to "glow in the dark" was excellent stuff. Loved it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Sounds Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 BTW... live album announced Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiowar Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 That doesn't make them any more creative. All the riffs shown in the video are really cool, and they are what makes the actual songs good. DP didn't make them, or even really build on them. Oh come on. There is an art to sampling and Daft Punk are among the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citris Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 Ever since seeing this video I stopped wanting to see Daft Punk. :'(... I was not aware of this. I liked Daft Punk. This makes me very sad. I'm a fan of sampling\covering\remixing. It's cool to hear someones else's take on a song, I just don't feel it's right to make money off of it. I'm glad I've never bought one of their CD's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
analoq Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 what's wrong with making money off of it? you do realize they have to clear those samples and pay to use them, right? really, Daft Punk doesn't do sampling any more than Moby, Chemical Brothers, Prodigy, or any big player in the electronic music scene. sampling is part of the art. if you weren't expecting what you saw in that video then you do not understand electronic music. you guys make me sad. or maybe i've just been trolled. whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citris Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 what's wrong with making money off of it? you do realize they have to clear those samples and pay to use them, right?really, Daft Punk doesn't do sampling any more than Moby, Chemical Brothers, Prodigy, or any big player in the electronic music scene. sampling is part of the art. if you weren't expecting what you saw in that video then you do not understand electronic music. you guys make me sad. or maybe i've just been trolled. whatever. I probably just don't understand electronic music. I've grown up on rock and only in recent years gotten into electronic music. Heh, actually one of the reasons I used to dislike electronic music was because I felt the people making it didn't have as much talent as "real" musicians who could play the instruments. That has obviously changed. Maybe this is just the next logical step in thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Sounds Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 BTW... live album announced Any thoughts? Comments? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ifirit Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 If the live album is anything like these live performance videos, I will be picking up a copy immediately. I really wish that I had had a chance to view the concert live myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Sounds Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 what's wrong with making money off of it? you do realize they have to clear those samples and pay to use them, right?really, Daft Punk doesn't do sampling any more than Moby, Chemical Brothers, Prodigy, or any big player in the electronic music scene. sampling is part of the art. if you weren't expecting what you saw in that video then you do not understand electronic music. you guys make me sad. or maybe i've just been trolled. whatever. This just makes me love your music more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hum4n After All Posted August 26, 2007 Author Share Posted August 26, 2007 Okay Update. But uh. This talk about Daft Punk sampling music into their music. This is how it goes down. The reason for Daft Punk using samples in their album Discovery was just simply in the album name itself. Discovery. They grew up with those artist. The just wanted people to know what they discovered when they were growing up. In a way it's a discovery for us. Part 1 Part 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Effef Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 Any thoughts? Comments? DO FUCKING WANT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hum4n After All Posted August 26, 2007 Author Share Posted August 26, 2007 BTW... live album announced I think I shot myself in the leg. If ya know what I mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Sounds Posted September 1, 2007 Share Posted September 1, 2007 I think I shot myself in the leg.If ya know what I mean. I'm afraid I don't quite understand what you are refeOMG!!!!!!!!111! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted September 1, 2007 Share Posted September 1, 2007 Wow I wish I went to a Daft PUnk concert. And their helmets are so cool. Not in a cheesy way, well, slightly, but they're just so damn cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Sounds Posted September 5, 2007 Share Posted September 5, 2007 There are still a handful of dates left. I'm too lazy to provide links... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Effector Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 That doesn't make them any more creative. All the riffs shown in the video are really cool, and they are what makes the actual songs good. DP didn't make them, or even really build on them. Exactly my qualms. It's not that they sample - a lot of great musicians do that, and it can be very enjoyable. But DP can just take a song from the 70s/80s, slap a vocorder, some filters, and a bass beat on it, and release it and sell millions. D: The worst part is that people don't realize they're being "ripped off" in some form. Thomas Bangalter is the master of this over-sampling - he's made a career out of for this for quite a while (and not just from DP - guy has god-know-how-many pseudonyms for music-making). really, Daft Punk doesn't do sampling any more than Moby, Chemical Brothers, Prodigy, or any big player in the electronic music scene.sampling is part of the art. if you weren't expecting what you saw in that video then you do not understand electronic music. I really have to disagree. I've been big fans of all the groups mentioned (including Daft Punk) at one time or another (but currently am not, so I have no reason to defend these artist), and I really feel like DP goes way outside normal artist limits in this. When I listen to those other groups, I can hear the samples, and they're tasteful. They compliment an original song. But DP doesn't do that. It sounds like they start with the sample as their base. They build from that, and it shows. Sorry, kind of a rant. But I can't understand how people defend them in this - it's not creative or artistic. OCR does creativity - to take a song and completely re-imagine it. DP does something totally different, and in my opinion, inferior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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