Super Smash Bros. Brawl

[Drack]

Perhaps the Master Hand has retired, and this weirdo is the new villian.

In any case, WTF.

[Dexie]

Huh...last pic, Mr. Blobby.

He's got me thinking...will he be playable? An original character in Smash Bros? Could be neat.

[Vyse the Three Eyes]

Am I the only one who doesn't see that guy at the end as a singular villain? He looks too borderline generic (And cute, I want one!) to be a main villain. I suspect he's more of a single spawn of a mass of damned creatures come to purge those who break the rules.

That, OR, the thing is what Smashers get conjured into when they try to break the rules and defy the 'natural order' of things.

Five bucks says Metaknight is a begrudging 'Angel of Death' type of herald for this retribution. Because he's just that awesome.

Edit: Last screenshot proves me right. You'll notice two more clusters of... Whatever the thing is standing in, in the background. So two more are about to appear. It's swarm threat.

[Red Shadow]

this game has a storyline

fuck yeah

[megadave]

In this world, is the destiny of mankind controlled by some transcendental entity or law? Is it like the hand of God hovering above? At least it is true, that man has no control, even over his own will....

[Sir_NutS]

So there's actually a story this time around. Nice work Sakurai.

[The Mutericator]

So there's actually a story this time around. Nice work Sakurai.

Yeah, about a year ago after the game was first announced, he said he really wanted to beef up the single-player mode. He wanted to do it in Melee, too, but either Miyamoto or Iwata told him to focus mostly on the multiplayer instead (good choice there).

[Ray Falling]

Yeah, about a year ago after the game was first announced, he said he really wanted to beef up the single-player mode. He wanted to do it in Melee, too, but either Miyamoto or Iwata told him to focus mostly on the multiplayer instead (good choice there).

Really? I thought both aspects were handled really well in Melee, so we can expect an even better experience this time around :)

Interesting though is that the update is marked as "gameplay modes -???" So it could be either a specific single player mode, or the mode that defines this entry in the Smash series.

Either way I think we'll start getting a lot more interesting updates from here on :)

[Dunther]

I'm delighted!
I have ever did a personal interpretation of the "story" of Super Smash Bros..
In the intro of the first Smash (http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=CMlwNVqdhNc) you can see a room (probably of a boy) and then arrives an hand (Master Hand) that pick up from a box two toys of Yoshi and Samus and then he put them on the desk; after that he prepare the desk to make a battlefield and then cowntdown to 0 with the fingers. After that the toys start do fight.

My interpretation:
Master Hand is the hand of a boy that with his fantasy makes fights his favourite characters. In the end he fights personally one of them (like many children do, I was one of them). At the end of the fighs, the character return to be a toy and the boy (Master Hand) exit from the room turning off the light.

In Melee this story is present but much more veiled (intro (http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=56P3-TwuRBo&mode=related&search=)) but I'm sure that is the same because in the intro movie is seen a Trophy-Mario that takes life in a arena. In addition if you remember the Game Over screen from Melee there is the character that return to be a trophy...and when you finish the classic mode(or adventure, or all star) he trasforms in a trophy (the trophy you earned).


The today update is surely the most amazing that I seen because introduces a thing that I was thinking from much time: a well defined story.
In some way this dark characters that comes from the Smash universe (that existed like a sort of "limbo" from the real world and the imaginary of the boy, and now has a his own identity) wants to rule that world and than conquer other universes.
This characters are born in the Smash universe because it has become so wide that has a its own fauna (and maybe an its population), because it has been tainted from several universes. To sum up...the various Nintendo universes converges in the Smash one and everytime that something (an item, a scenario, a character...) enter in it because it creates a bridge from the two universes; in addiction the Smash universe is chronically connected with the real world (this allow us to play Smash).
This means that the original Smash univers creatures can uses this bridges to arrive in an another Nintendo universe (or maybe in the real world...). We are here to stop they!!!

Ok you are free to tell me that I'm crazy. (sorry, yesterday I've seen Donnie Darko and I've been inevitably tainted from it XD )


PS: Sorry for the bad english, I did the best I can...

[Sir_NutS]

I think the goal here would be to resemble something Akin to another very popular crossover game, kingdom hearts. That with the dark thingies and "evil" characters, a world where all these separated characters exist in their own universe that suddenly falls in peril by unknown forces. It won't be as complicated as KH of course, because that's an RPG and needs a deep story, but something around those lines... that's my guess.

[AMT]

100 bucks says that these things are the new polygon team.

[FuriousFure]

I'm delighted!
I have ever did a personal interpretation of the "story" of Super Smash Bros..
In the intro of the first Smash (http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=CMlwNVqdhNc) you can see a room (probably of a boy) and then arrives an hand (Master Hand) that pick up from a box two toys of Yoshi and Samus and then he put them on the desk; after that he prepare the desk to make a battlefield and then cowntdown to 0 with the fingers. After that the toys start do fight.

My interpretation:
Master Hand is the hand of a boy that with his fantasy makes fights his favourite characters. In the end he fights personally one of them (like many children do, I was one of them). At the end of the fighs, the character return to be a toy and the boy (Master Hand) exit from the room turning off the light.

In Melee this story is present but much more veiled (intro (http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=56P3-TwuRBo&mode=related&search=)) but I'm sure that is the same because in the intro movie is seen a Trophy-Mario that takes life in a arena. In addition if you remember the Game Over screen from Melee there is the character that return to be a trophy...and when you finish the classic mode(or adventure, or all star) he trasforms in a trophy (the trophy you earned).


The today update is surely the most amazing that I seen because introduces a thing that I was thinking from much time: a well defined story.
In some way this dark characters that comes from the Smash universe (that existed like a sort of "limbo" from the real world and the imaginary of the boy, and now has a his own identity) wants to rule that world and than conquer other universes.
This characters are born in the Smash universe because it has become so wide that has a its own fauna (and maybe an its population), because it has been tainted from several universes. To sum up...the various Nintendo universes converges in the Smash one and everytime that something (an item, a scenario, a character...) enter in it because it creates a bridge from the two universes; in addiction the Smash universe is chronically connected with the real world (this allow us to play Smash).
This means that the original Smash univers creatures can uses this bridges to arrive in an another Nintendo universe (or maybe in the real world...). We are here to stop they!!!

Ok you are free to tell me that I'm crazy. (sorry, yesterday I've seen Donnie Darko and I've been inevitably tainted from it XD )


PS: Sorry for the bad english, I did the best I can...


first of all, i completely agree and that was the exact thought process that i had. it's going to be awesome to play this game. stupid hype machine, why do you work so well???

second, donnie darko is an awesome movie and your english is better than 95% of the internet.

[AMT]

When I first heard someone say this, I thought they were looking into it too much, but after looking myself, it actually looks like there's something there:

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/modea/images/modea01/modea01_070720j-l.jpg

Look in the clouds. In the upper right of the image, you can see Bowser's face in the clouds. That one is the most clear, but directly below and to the right of him looks just like Ridley. The dark spot above the Halbred looks like Master Hand, and you can almost see Ganondorf or Zant's face in there too, although I think that's pushing it. The Bowser and Ridley are the most apparent. Thoughts?

EDIT: Here's a blown up image: http://myweb.cableone.net/rebelart/clouds.jpg

[eternal Zero]

When I first heard someone say this, I thought they were looking into it too much, but after looking myself, it actually looks like there's something there:

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/modea/images/modea01/modea01_070720j-l.jpg

Look in the clouds. In the upper right of the image, you can see Bowser's face in the clouds. That one is the most clear, but directly below and to the right of him looks just like Ridley. The dark spot above the Halbred looks like Master Hand, and you can almost see Ganondorf or Zant's face in there too, although I think that's pushing it. The Bowser and Ridley are the most apparent. Thoughts?

All good evil masters have their minions. Knowing that there are good candidates already: Bowser, Master/Crazy Hands, and Ganondorf...but wait! Ridley? I'd be very surprised if this was a little clue thrown in to a potential character and/or boss figure.

[Eulogic]

Regarding the clouds, I am not sure that there is anything there, but if there is, I am much more ready to believe that it only depicts Bowser breathing fire, with the clouds on the left not being anything.

[eternal Zero]

Wait. Okay. The Halbred looks like it'd be more aptly named "Harbinger" and is tied to MetaKnight. Now think about Pit. Strange that you have the wings of darkness appear complete with its corresponding angel?

[Sir_NutS]

I think you're pushing it too far there.

But they again, it could be, it's just not very likely.

[eternal Zero]

I think you're pushing it too far there.

But they again, it could be, it's just not very likely.

Yea, I know. But it just fits too well. Pit, in my opinion, seemed like a very random character to add to the mix where Metaknight was almost a no-brainer. I just think there'd be another reason that solely to add him because he's Pit.

[FuriousFure]

Yea, I know. But it just fits too well. Pit, in my opinion, seemed like a very random character to add to the mix where Metaknight was almost a no-brainer. I just think there'd be another reason that solely to add him because he's Pit.

it's true, it does make a ton of sense if all the bad guys from the nintendo universe form a "Legion of Doom" which unsettles the balance of this Smash Universe (it's sorta weird saying that) by not following the rules. as for the clouds i really can't see it well.

the reason why it could work is that each character has it's respective "badguy" from their games which they will fight in the single-player mode. if this is the case then these bosses will most likely be mini-bosses and master/crazy hand will be the main boss.

unless, of course, its another badguy from within this world and so Masterhand would be still there but losing control and the game would sorta set up a three-way standoff.

[megadave]

Thank you Mr. Smash Brothers creator, for FUCKING WITH OUR MINDS.

[Cerrax]

Thank you Mr. Smash Brothers creator, for FUCKING WITH OUR MINDS.

ya srsly thx @$$




Does anyone else think that Pit's inclusion might mean a new Kid Icarus?

[Penfold]

Does anyone else think that Pit's inclusion might mean a new Kid Icarus?

I'd like to think so. It seems whenever IGN has interviews with Miyamoto, they either ask him about the possibility of a Kid Icarus sequel for Wii or Miyamoto brings up that people ask about it a lot. Anyway, hope Nintendo does wiivive (teehee) the franchise.

[Sir_NutS]

The main reason Pit was included was most likely from fan pressure. The guys at IGN have bothered Miyamoto about it for years (and I love them for that!), and included a kid icarus game in every wishlist or anywhere they could. The last time they asked, at the last E3 Prior the launch of the Wii, Miyamoto seemed to agree to bring him in some form.

IGN: "OK wtf are you waiting for to bring kid icarus back, dammit"
Miyamoto: "OMG noone knows that little bastard, noones gonna buy that game"
IGN: "Hell yeah they would!"
Miyamoto: "srsly?"
IGN: "YEAH"
Miyamoto: "Would you buy a game with pit in it?"
IGN: "I'd give my virginity for it"
Miyamoto: "OHOK I'll see what I can do"

Not the exact words, but that's how I remember the interview went on. One year later they revealed the wii, and later on, the trailer with pit on it. I jumped in joy. I bet the IGN folks did too.

[Global-Trance]

Anyone making speculations based on the clouds is reading far too much into it. It's borderline GameFAQs-ish.

[Penfold]

The main reason Pit was included was most likely from fan pressure. The guys at IGN have bothered Miyamoto about it for years (and I love them for that!), and included a kid icarus game in every wishlist or anywhere they could. The last time they asked, at the last E3 Prior the launch of the Wii, Miyamoto seemed to agree to bring him in some form.

IGN: "OK wtf are you waiting for to bring kid icarus back, dammit"
Miyamoto: "OMG noone knows that little bastard, noones gonna buy that game"
IGN: "Hell yeah they would!"
Miyamoto: "srsly?"
IGN: "YEAH"
Miyamoto: "Would you buy a game with pit in it?"
IGN: "I'd give my virginity for it"
Miyamoto: "OHOK I'll see what I can do"

Not the exact words, but that's how I remember the interview went on. One year later they revealed the wii, and later on, the trailer with pit on it. I jumped in joy. I bet the IGN folks did too.

lol, pretty much. Anyway, I know I'd be interested in learning more about Kid Icarus Wii if it were to be announced.

[nohero]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but canonically speaking, Meta Knight wasn't exactly a bad guy, was he? It strikes me as odd that he appears to be leading this evil rebellion or whatever it is.

[Dunther]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but canonically speaking, Meta Knight wasn't exactly a bad guy, was he? It strikes me as odd that he appears to be leading this evil rebellion or whatever it is.

Yes, is a sort of Kirby's rival...

[megadave]

lol, pretty much. Anyway, I know I'd be interested in learning more about Kid Icarus Wii if it were to be announced.

I would like to see the same thing happen with StarTropics. If you don't know what that is, then look it up and pray dear god that it is released on virtual console.

Sorry to drift from the topic. Anyway, I think a new Kid Icarus game is quite likely. On the other hand, Mr. Game and Watch was brought to Melee, and I don't see him with his own game.

[Penfold]

I would like to see the same thing happen with StarTropics. If you don't know what that is, then look it up and pray dear god that it is released on virtual console.

Sorry to drift from the topic. Anyway, I think a new Kid Icarus game is quite likely. On the other hand, Mr. Game and Watch was brought to Melee, and I don't see him with his own game.

I remember when StarTropics came out, I really wanted to play it but never got around to it. I really do hope they release it to the VC, since I'll probably never play it otherwise.

[DJ Tempora]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but canonically speaking, Meta Knight wasn't exactly a bad guy, was he? It strikes me as odd that he appears to be leading this evil rebellion or whatever it is.
No, you're right. Meta Knight is depicted as having honor and good intentions. He and Kirby are usually at odds, but I wouldn't say Meta Knight is bad or evil at all. He fights for the good of Dream Land, same as Kirby. And whenever he and Kirby duel, Meta Knight honorably leaves a sword for Kirby to defend himself.

I think where you get it wrong is the "evil rebellion" part. I don't see anything in the update about an evil rebellion. All I see is that Mario and Kirby decide not to fight, i.e. disobeying the rules, and have to deal with the consequences. The Halberd's part in that is unknown.

[megadave]

I remember when StarTropics came out, I really wanted to play it but never got around to it. I really do hope they release it to the VC, since I'll probably never play it otherwise.

Great game. Cross The Legend of Zelda with Adventure Island, and that's what you get - It is definitely worth paying for, and a must for any NES Zelda fan. The game comes with a letter that you have to soak in water to reveal a secret code. So awesome.

Too bad VC won't have that. There's nothing like a game that actually makes you get off of your ass and do something in real life to progress further through the game.

That's what I call innovation.

[Ray Falling]

All I have to say now, at the end of this day: darn you weekends!!!

[Admiral_C]

They sure know how to work the hype machine... right after they reveal the release date, we're STILL on the edge of our seats wondering what they're gonna do next (x_x)

[Dunther]

All I have to say now, at the end of this day: darn you weekends!!!

Quote! Damn weekends!!!!


Anyway...sorry but..what's a hype machine?

[Arek the Absolute]

Jacked from Anomilus at Smashboards:
http://i9.tinypic.com/4pwyyc1.png
No Ridley there kthx

[Imagist]

Jacked from Anomilus at Smashboards:
http://i9.tinypic.com/4pwyyc1.png
No Ridley there kthx

The only consolation I have for your stupidity is that it may lead you to an unfortunate accidental death sooner than later.

He was talking about the cloud next to that one.

[Arek the Absolute]

LOOK WHERE THE HAND IS FUCKTARD
word

[friendlyHunter]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/modea/images/modea01/modea01_070720j-l.jpg
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/9/92/Zerg_portrait.jpg

The cloud on the far left is clearly a sideways Hydralisk head, confirming that Brawl is an RTS, and is sideways. I'm pretty sure I can see the three stooges in there too - three playable characters for sure (or... replacement for Ice Climbers???) The dark area in the left-middle is the Master Hand giving you the finger.

[Imagist]

LOOK WHERE THE HAND IS FUCKTARD
word

Uh, yeah? That picture puts the cloud he referred to as Ridley entirely out of the picture. Notice: "[Bowser] is the most clear, but directly below and to the right of him looks just like Ridley." You still fail to prove your worth as a human being, and in fact, by jumping from "kthx" to "FUCKTARD" to "word" so readily, you are rapidly disproving it.

[Antipode]

Wait, are you guys being serious? I'm outta here.

[Imagist]

Wait, are you guys being serious? I'm outta here.

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/4592/smashbusinessdr7.jpg

[Arek the Absolute]

Uh, yeah? That picture puts the cloud he referred to as Ridley entirely out of the picture. Notice: "[Bowser] is the most clear, but directly below and to the right of him looks just like Ridley." You still fail to prove your worth as a human being, and in fact, by jumping from "kthx" to "FUCKTARD" to "word" so readily, you are rapidly disproving it.

1)LOL


2) http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k49/BHLMRO/RIDLYZOMG.jpg
This image is circling the area where the SUPPOSED Ridley head is, which is obviously NOT possible considering that Bowser's hand is in that area.
http://i9.tinypic.com/4pwyyc1.png
UH OH

The cloud next to the hand looks like a head, true, but not clearly enough to be anybody. And since when did Ridley have a fucking HORN on his head.

3) Are you SERIOUSLY looking into this THAT deeply? Honestly, that is lol.

EDIT: If you guys want to look at it that deeply, then man do I have a goldmine ready for excavating just for you:


http://i11.tinypic.com/5zdhgcz.jpg


MICKEY MOUSE CONFIRMED LOL

[Kureejii Lea]

So, uh, don't know where this is from exactly, but it seems that in an interview here (http://img406.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1184959027207yv7.jpg) Sakurai says that they're waiting for a final confirmation from Sega to officially state Sonic as being in the game. Guess we'll know in a few days...?

[Arek the Absolute]

Oh Lea, why did you bring such a horrible thing to this thread.
You know exactly what I mean.
As if the cloud speculation wasn't enough...

[atmuh]

hablo espanol
with the squiggle on the n

[Kureejii Lea]

Oh Lea, why did you bring such a horrible thing to this thread.
You know exactly what I mean.
As if the cloud speculation wasn't enough...

Aw, come on. If anything, by comparison this is a step up from the Bowridlisk cloud!

[Red Shadow]

man would i ever boil over into giddy 12 year old mode if there was a hydralisk in brawl

god damn

[FuriousFure]

I think where you get it wrong is the "evil rebellion" part. I don't see anything in the update about an evil rebellion. All I see is that Mario and Kirby decide not to fight, i.e. disobeying the rules, and have to deal with the consequences. The Halberd's part in that is unknown.


its true, it does seem the rebellion is on the mario and kirby side
and the group of rivals (bowser seems more like mario's rival nowadays) are maybe just the peace-keepers.

similar to how the SS were the peace-keepers of the Nazi party. uh... that was the first example i could think of... what i meant was they arn't really evil just doing their job. wait... that example didn't work at all... those SS bastards were totally evil... uh nevermind. just nevermind.

[DJ Tempora]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/modea/images/modea01/modea01_070720j-l.jpg
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/9/92/Zerg_portrait.jpg

The cloud on the far left is clearly a sideways Hydralisk head, confirming that Brawl is an RTS, and is sideways. I'm pretty sure I can see the three stooges in there too - three playable characters for sure (or... replacement for Ice Climbers???) The dark area in the left-middle is the Master Hand giving you the finger.
Haha friendlyHunter for the win. All of this 'cloud' business is absurd. What cracks me up are the posters (primarily on other boards) making fun of people who see Ridley or Master Hand, but are like "NO GUYZ THERE IS ONLY BOWSER YOU R STUPID".

News flash: noone is in the damn clouds. Stop this nonsense.

[Bigfoot]

You guys are all stupid.

THEY ARE CLOUDS FOR CRYING OUT LOUD.










































http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/6127/cloudnn4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[friendlyHunter]

N N III CCCC EEEE W W OOOO RRR K K
NN N I C EEEE W W W O O R R KKK
N NN I C E W W W O O RR K K
N N III CCCC EEEE W W OOOO R R K K

Made me laugh =)


[Edit]
WOOOOOOOAH!!! WOWOWOWHWHWHWOWHO!!! I FOUND A WAY TO TYPE IN ALL CAPS!

(It was trying to remove the capital letters inside the code tags) >=[


[Edit]
In case you're totally confused by my awful, awful post, the "NICE WORK" was directed at Bigfoot, for the niceness of his work.

[Strike911]

man would i ever boil over into giddy 12 year old mode if there was a hydralisk in brawl

god damn

you know, technically, StarCraft 64 was on a Nintendo console... soooo .... (in the spirit of the last few posts) ES POSSIBLE!!! ... with a hat on the last "E."

^_~ ^_~ ^_~

Seriously though... crackers, der ain't no sense fo realz in dis. I'm just sayin', fo realz.

Okay, I can see bowser. I can even see Ridley if I try hard. But... i don't see anything else...

oh you speculative cards... keep it up. It's way more interesting this way.

[Amayirot Akago]

4 Hydralisks
3 Marines
2 Terran Wraiths
And a braaand neeew S-C-V!

[Strike911]

So, uh, don't know where this is from exactly, but it seems that in an interview here (http://img406.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1184959027207yv7.jpg) Sakurai says that they're waiting for a final confirmation from Sega to officially state Sonic as being in the game. Guess we'll know in a few days...?

The guy that made that very fake article is a poster on the Nintendo forums named Milox4. He's admitted to making it up. Again, he's admitted that he started a huge fake scan to cause trouble.

Seriously though, the article says something along the lines that Sonic is already in Brawl and Nintendo is just waiting for confirmation from Sega. That's not how things in the gaming world work, you gotta talk a lot with the companies beforehand and settle money issues and stuff before they hand over the rights to an IP, and "confirm" stuff. *sigh*

BUT, the guys over at IGN are confident Sonic will be in the game. I mean, it looks good for that, especially with the fact that Sonic+Mario at the Olympics. I mean, Sega and Nintendo's relationship seems pretty good... so, meh, it could go anyway. :)

I bet they'll somehow incorporate Mii's into the WireFrame badguys... or those things that were in the new update... I bet they will !!!

Hmm... hey everybody, look in the clouds, I see Robotnik!!!!!

HEE HEE! MWHAHA. EVIL!

okay... in the clouds of my mind... not the pic.

[Amayirot Akago]

I would really like to see Mii integration in some way, whether as replacement for Polygon/Wireframe team, playable char (doubtful), or Assist Trophy.

Just wondering if they were in the game, what attacks would they possess? Smacking ppl in the face with a Wiimote, or using it like a gun seems likely.

[DJ Tempora]

Well, there's always the "Elephant Trunk" Wiimote gun from Wario Ware. That thing is pretty cool.

[Kureejii Lea]

The guy that made that very fake article is a poster on the Nintendo forums named Milox4. He's admitted to making it up. Again, he's admitted that he started a huge fake scan to cause trouble.

Drat. Well, you kinda hafta take these kinds of things with a grain of salt, I guess. Or a whole shaker.

[Drack]

CLOUDZ!!!!!

http://ocr.anticlan.net/images/clouds.jpg

Red = Bowser face and hand
Blue = Ridley face
Teal = This guy:
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/modea/images/modea01/modea01_070720k.jpg
And the cloud left of him looks like there's one of these:
(alien image was here but the webmaster is an asshole)

Obbiously, this game has a fighting alien team, to replace the fighting polygon team.

[Jam Stunna]

http://www.bisonium.com/blog/images/alienware_new_logo01.jpg


Ha, Drack is the guy on the neighborhood watch posters.

[!Nekko!]

I'm pretty sure I can see the three stooges in there too - three playable characters for sure (or... replacement for Ice Climbers???)

CAN'T RULE IT OUT!

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/4150/nesuj4.jpg

[Bigfoot]

I read a rumor today that 50 Cent will an unlockable character.

confirm/deny?

[Brithor]

Weekends are so boring nowadays...

[Amayirot Akago]

Fo shizzle.

[Bigfoot]

Weekends are so boring nowadays...

You could always gather with some friends and play some Smash.

[Broken]

Sounds good to me.

[Mastertoku]

Okay, since I got wholly ignored last time -

I've been wondering about a lot of the Fire Emblem characters. Given that they pretty much included Roy in Brawl to promote the release of his game in Japan, I'm thinking it could be likely that the Fire Emblem folks might include a character or two from Goddess of Dawn to promote it, as well as satiate its newfound North American fans like myself.
I figure there are a couple of possible candidates, whether from Goddess of Dawn or not. Ike comes to mind, or the Black Knight, as well as Hector, or even Greil! And it occurs to me that the Black Knight would be just plain awesome.

(For those who don't know what he looks like:)

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m285/Mastertoku/newcome-bk.png

A fanciful screenshot alteration, of course.

Well? Thoughts?

[The Author]

Dont let this get on the internet, people are gonna go crazy...

[BigBoss]

Crazy until they realize that the font is all wrong and it's just a screenshot from the actualy FE title.

[The Author]

Crazy until they realize that the font is all wrong and it's just a screenshot from the actualy FE title.


Dude, clouds.





CLOUDS


Seriously...

[BigBoss]

Dude, clouds.





CLOUDS


Seriously...


The clouds are a dead giveaway that SEPHIROTH WILL BE IN BRAWL

[Mastertoku]

Crazy until they realize that the font is all wrong and it's just a screenshot from the actualy FE title.
Yes, so I said below the picture. Thank you.

Besides, since they've done that intro movie already, they have no need for the whole "omg!!! newcomer has apeered!!!" headline thing anymore, right?

[Mastertoku]

The clouds are a dead giveaway that SEPHIROTH WILL BE IN BRAWL
No, no - if you look at the cloud just to the left of the Halberd, you can clearly see the outline of...

Master Chief.

There. Infallible proof that he's going to be in Brawl.

[Jam Stunna]

I don't get it. My wife is the only person I've met who actually gets better by not playing. She just beat me with Dr. Mario, despite the fact that I haven't seen her use him in months. I fear for my ego in the future.

[Red Shadow]

Are you going to train little stunna to be a smash pro

[Jam Stunna]

Yes, I'm already planning to live vicariously through his success.

[FuriousFure]

Character Rivals:


Mario & Luigi - Bowser
Samus - Ridley
Kirby - MetaKnight
Pikachu & Jigglypuff - ?? Team Rocket ??
Donkey Kong - King K. Rool
Star Fox - Star Wolf
Link - Ganondorf
Captian Falcon - Dr. Stewart, Pico, and Samurai Goroh
Ness - Pokey Minch
Yoshi - ?? Shyguys ??

i think thats right... just if anyone was wondering what else to point out in those darn clouds. :)

[Geoffrey Taucer]

My wife... just beat me [at SSBM].

Wow.... I don't even know what to say to this. And I'm not making fun of you; I'm in total awe that anybody could be lucky enough to have a wife who will not only play smash, but put up a good fight. I think if I met a girl who could beat me in smash or tetris attack, I'd probably ask her to marry me right there on the spot.

[DarkPoinko]

All this cloud talk has gone on for like, 4 pages now... and NO ONE has noticed Lakitu? Jeez, could they make it any more clear?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v179/poinko/zomglakitu.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v179/poinko/lakitu.jpg

It's all right there, people! What could this possibly mean?! :o

[Dark Phazon]

All this cloud talk has gone on for like, 4 pages now... and NO ONE has noticed Lakitu? Jeez, could they make it any more clear?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v179/poinko/zomglakitu.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v179/poinko/lakitu.jpg

It's all right there, people! What could this possibly mean?! :o

Photoshop +1

[Jam Stunna]

I think if I met a girl who could beat me in smash or tetris attack, I'd probably ask her to marry me right there on the spot.

Exactly!

Seriously, when we first started dating, she asked me if I had the game, and I silently thanked God, and made it my goal to make her tournament-caliber. The scary thing is that she came in ninth at a small tourney we held at my school, which was her first one. I'd never placed that high until that same tourney!

[JabuBelly]

Exactly!

Seriously, when we first started dating, she asked me if I had the game, and I silently thanked God, and made it my goal to make her tournament-caliber. The scary thing is that she came in ninth at a small tourney we held at my school, which was her first one. I'd never placed that high until that same tourney!


WOW...I did not know that you silently thanked god..lol but I was glad I asked because I was truly dying to play that game. That was weird I had no idea you loved video games or that you loved my fave game. Lucky me. Want to play a match before we head to bed???:twisted:

[Archetype of Sagacity]

Oh man, you guys are really on to something with that cloud theory. I'm not supposed to reveal inside information, but I just can't help myself, so I'll let you all in on the true secret behind the screen shot.

First off, there is no Bowser or Ridley in those clouds. Your seeing them is simply the result of the rather impressive ability of various parts of your temporal lobe, such as the fusiform face area and parahippocampal place area, to find familiar shapes and patterns in random and ambiguous visual stimuli.

However, there IS a secret in that picture. Look at the top left of the screenshot:

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/modea/images/modea01/modea01_070720j-l.jpg

See that cloud on the top left? Look carefully. What does it look like?

If you said "Hmm, that cloud looks suspiciously like a condensed mass of red water droplets that have formed around some sort of condensation nucleus," then guess what - you're right on the money!

What this means, in case you haven't figured it out already, is that Nintendo's next playable character to be revealed is none other than a red cumulonimbus cloud.

I don't know it's official name or it's full move set as of this time; however, I do know about one move:

Move: Rainfall
Execution: Down and B
Description: Causes the cloud to go through the collision and wake capture process, which allows rising and falling water droplets to increase in weight and mass by forming together as one. These newer, badder-ass water droplets have the ability to overcome air currents in the cloud and the updraft beneath them, which allows them to fall on their unsuspecting victims, dealing 10-15% damage and slowing their movement speed by 5-10% for a short time (this slowing effect is due to the fact that their clothes/fur absorb the water, which increases their weight. This means that characters without clothing or fur are immune).

Hopefully Sakurai won't be too angry with me for revealing this; he's (she's?) just such an awesome character that I couldn't keep him (her?) a secret...

[Dhsu]

I approve of this post.

[Kiyosuki]

I'm going with Tempora on this, it looks like Mario breaks the rule and uh...sorta brings Kirby "back to life" cause he's such a good guy and all, and I guess shit hits the wall because of it.

Everyone always used to joke that in a way, the first Smash Brothers could be seen as the "toys" or "characters" rebelling against their master...us, or the kid making them fight. And thats why the kid runs out of the room in the end, his hand got bitch slapped by lasers and Master Swords. lol

So maybe in this game that idea is actually being taken literally.

[BigBoss]

I approve of this post.

I approve of Dhsu.

[Geoffrey Taucer]

Oh man, you guys are really on to something with that cloud theory. I'm not supposed to reveal inside information, but I just can't help myself, so I'll let you all in on the true secret behind the screen shot.

First off, there is no Bowser or Ridley in those clouds. Your seeing them is simply the result of the rather impressive ability of various parts of your temporal lobe, such as the fusiform face area and parahippocampal place area, to find familiar shapes and patterns in random and ambiguous visual stimuli.

However, there IS a secret in that picture. Look at the top left of the screenshot:

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/modea/images/modea01/modea01_070720j-l.jpg

See that cloud on the top left? Look carefully. What does it look like?

If you said "Hmm, that cloud looks suspiciously like a condensed mass of red water droplets that have formed around some sort of condensation nucleus," then guess what - you're right on the money!

What this means, in case you haven't figured it out already, is that Nintendo's next playable character to be revealed is none other than a red cumulonimbus cloud.

I don't know it's official name or it's full move set as of this time; however, I do know about one move:

Move: Rainfall
Execution: Down and B
Description: Causes the cloud to go through the collision and wake capture process, which allows rising and falling water droplets to increase in weight and mass by forming together as one. These newer, badder-ass water droplets have the ability to overcome air currents in the cloud and the updraft beneath them, which allows them to fall on their unsuspecting victims, dealing 10-15% damage and slowing their movement speed by 5-10% for a short time (this slowing effect is due to the fact that their clothes/fur absorb the water, which increases their weight. This means that characters without clothing or fur are immune).

Hopefully Sakurai won't be too angry with me for revealing this; he's (she's?) just such an awesome character that I couldn't keep him (her?) a secret...

Archetype wins this thread.

[Kureejii Lea]

Wow.... I don't even know what to say to this. And I'm not making fun of you; I'm in total awe that anybody could be lucky enough to have a wife who will not only play smash, but put up a good fight. I think if I met a girl who could beat me in smash or tetris attack, I'd probably ask her to marry me right there on the spot.

Is it really that rare? I've pretty much trashed my fiancé and all his college buddies in Melee. His brother's only managed to beat me once, and then said he'd attained his goal in life and left the room.

On the other hand, my brother beats me more often than not (but he pretty much does that to everyone), and back when I fought Smasha (years ago... man how time flies) I only won twice, but still.

Now that I think about it, though, pretty much any other girl I've played SSBM against has only been a casual "oh-look-you-have-a-nintendo!" gamer.

[Bigfoot]

Yeah, I'd say it is pretty rare. A lot of my friends are hardcore smash players, and none of them are female.

I know a good handful of female gamers. They may have played Smash before, but they aren't regular players.

[atmuh]

my girlfriend plays smash
but is pretty bad

[!Nekko!]

If I recall, a girl won a Smash tournament in my old dorm a few years back. She was a cunt, though.

[Eulogic]

Character Rivals:

Pikachu & Jigglypuff - ?? Team Rocket ??

uhh, mewtwo, who was already in melee, doesn't seem more likely?

[FuriousFure]

uhh, mewtwo, who was already in melee, doesn't seem more likely?

yeah. i'm blind to the obvious. mewtwo works the best but i thought he was cut from brawl. my mistake anyway.

[BigBoss]

It's not rare to have a friend be a Smash playing girl. It's just rare for a Smash player to have any friends who are girls.

[Bigfoot]

It's not rare to have a friend be a Smash playing girl. It's just rare for a Smash player to have any friends who are girls.

Yes, that must be it.

[Eulogic]

whatever nerds

[FuriousFure]

who thinks that they might reveal that whole video soon?


i'm hoping for the best but expecting the worst.

[Makai]

i'm hoping for the best but expecting the worst.

Jul. 23 Mon. 2007

Wiimote

http://www.habrahabr.ru/pictures/00/00/00/00/09/picture_1.jpg

It looks just like a TV remote! Don't you want to swing it around in the air?

[JackKieser]

So... the Ice Climber stage with different textures? And ladders... yay.

We've never seen climbing like that in Smash before, though, so I guess that's cool.

--Jack Kieser

[Dhsu]

So uh, it sounds like they didn't get the message when the Ice Climbers stage was banned from competitive play.

[Eulogic]

heh infinite glacier stage

[Bigfoot]

Lame... I've never liked a DK stage anyway.

[Eulogic]

they could've at least confirmed that the dk rap plays in the background

[Makai]

Ladders? lol

[Hobocop]

I was hoping for more from the Donkey Kong universe in this game (I mean, quality not quantity)... I guess this means the stage music probably won't be some nice rearrangement from the DKC series either. Sigh... There better be a playable K. Rool "at the top."

Edit: is that Funky's plane in the last picture?

[FuriousFure]

So uh, it sounds like they didn't get the message when the Ice Climbers stage was banned from competitive play.

Sounds like more like they really don't care. Maybe like a lot of people, they really don't give a shit about "competitive play" LoL



"You’re climbing up, but the water keeps flowing
down, down, down."

woah! so that's how it works! dang, I always thought it was the other way around.

[supremespleen]

Hurrah! A DK theme to my least favorite level!

[Strike911]

FOR THE RECORD, I always liked the ambience and feel of that one DK stage in Melee, jungle japes!

hm.. was never a fan of the ice climbers level... in fact, I don't know anyone that really likes that stage. At least its not a looping mountain image, it seems like you keep going into the air, I mean, it'll loop eventually, sure, but at least their not giving us an identical reskin of the Ice Climbers level.

but... interesting tidbit that you can climb up ladders. I wonder if we'll see that implemented into any other levels that are actually fun. Hmm. I wonder if we'll see vines and things hanging off ledges so more than one person can recover from edges. That's certainly possibility, with ladders coming into the mix. That's the only substantial use of them that I can find.

I don't really see the point in using a ladder when you can just jump though... seems like everything else would be slower than jumping... so what's the point? Unless you can use some attacks while you're on there... or shoot at people from a stationary position with a gun type item.

There's no real reason to climb down them, because you can just drop down through the platform... hmm... interesting addition, but then again, I don't know how useful it will be...

Now a level that scrolls up, with no platforms and only ONE ladder to go up with... THAT i would like to see.

well, maybe there could be one small platform every 10 seconds or something, but mostly ladder action... that'd be cool. Of course this is all assuming you can jump and catch the ladder in midair.

[Ero Elohim]

It kinda sounds like it'll stop moving once it hits the top. Also, it doesn't sound like the Ice Climbers level in that it stays at one speed. My biggest problem with the IC level was that it kept changing direction and speeds. Sucked to be at the top of the level and it suddenly starts moving down fast.

Depending on some decisions here, I might actually play this level. Hell, Big Blue was my favorite level in Melee.

[Ray Falling]

So uh, it sounds like they didn't get the message when the Ice Climbers stage was banned from competitive play.

Last time I checked, the game makers decide what's in a game, not some small fraction of players who take the game too seriously.

Having said that, I like the look of this stage. It's interesting and different enough from what we've seen so far. Which was another thing people complained about.
Would have rather seen Donkey Kong Country related stuff, but this will do fine too. Just don't have as big a history with DK Jungle Beat as I have with DKC.

:) It could have been the ship sail stage too :)

[Infinity's End]

I'm sure most of you turn off the Ice Climbers stage as well as Poke Floats in your own games of Melee. I also turned off Jungle Japes because I felt the river flowing underneath was just completely unfair. It's too bad they're bringing back the vertical scrolling stages again...

[BigBoss]

I'm sure most of you turn off the Ice Climbers stage as well as Poke Floats in your own games of Melee. I also turned off Jungle Japes because I felt the river flowing underneath was just completely unfair. It's too bad they're bringing back the vertical scrolling stages again...

Poke Floats and Jungle Japes are my favorite levels.

[Brithor]

This is a cool update :) Those backgrounds look awesome.

[FuriousFure]

I'm sure most of you turn off the Ice Climbers stage as well as Poke Floats in your own games of Melee. I also turned off Jungle Japes because I felt the river flowing underneath was just completely unfair. It's too bad they're bringing back the vertical scrolling stages again...

well, actually I havn't turned off any levels on Melee and plan on doing the same for Brawl.

also, I doubt that the creators of this game are going to listen to a bunch of people who shut off half the game so that they can have "competitive" play.

Seriously, if The Smash Bros games were released originally with no Items and only Simple Platform stages they would been horribly reviewed.
probably the reviewers would talk about the gameplay being paper thin and the lack of anything unique in the choice of stages. and give it a mediocre to bad review score.



Competitive Play? I do that all the time! I play with All Items and All Levels on. Pick my Character and my rival picks his, pick random for stage selection and Off We GO! it all works out over time...

[Red Shadow]

hmm, this one might actually stop scrolling after a point

neat

[eternal Zero]

Competitive Play? I do that all the time! I play with All Items and All Levels on. Pick my Character and my rival picks his, pick random for stage selection and Off We GO! it all works out over time...

It is fact that this setup is the most fun you'll have with competitive play ever. If you can win a tournament with Mewtwo because you rock at item whoring, then you know at least half of the room is laughing hysterically while your opponent is freaking out because he can't hit you.

[Drack]

Bleh. Junk update.

Another dumb DK stage. Ooh, ladders that you'll probably be helpless climbing. Oh, scrolling. Wonderful, the water falls downward.

I don't mind oddball stages but this looks over-the-top, with the players fighting the map more than eachother.

[Sir_NutS]

Ice Climbers stage v 2.0
Not bad IMHO, I was tired of seeing the same layout in the stages. I didn't like the ice climbers stage too much but this one seems to be more "spaced", and actually has an end.

[AMT]

This level looks pretty neat. I really like the general atmosphere it seems to have going on, and it's finally something more than a flat platform or two. I'll definitely be playing on this one.

[The Author]

This level looks pretty neat. I really like the general atmosphere it seems to have going on, and it's finally something more than a flat platform or two. I'll definitely be playing on this one.
Can't you see? ITS ABOUT THE COMPETITION!

I mean, the level MOVES its not supposed to do so...


So far we have seen two competition worthy stages, 4 if you have an open mind (Battleground and Animal Crossing are competitive and if you accept the random change of scenery, Delphino plaza and the Bridge if you tolerate a hazard, which you should because many people liked pokemon stadium for competitive gaming)

[Miletus]

I love moving stages. IMO the skill to navigate a stage, being mindful of your surroundings and using them to your advantage, coping with random elements and so on are much more interesting skills than "oh look who has learned more combos with his character" or whatever. Radical dreamer i'm not sure if you were being sarcastic but the % of people who play for 'serious' competition must be very small indeed.

EDIT: must admit i hated the ice climbers stage but loved poke floats. the only stages i didn't like were the ones where it was too dark to see what was going on, like DKs old stage.

[Jam Stunna]

Yeah, I liked Rainbow Cruise and Poke Floats, but also hated Infinite Glacier. I hope this stage is more like Rainbow Cruise.

[Lord.Roderick.i]

Yeah, I liked Rainbow Cruise and Poke Floats, but also hated Infinite Glacier. I hope this stage is more like Rainbow Cruise.
Well, its not exactly like Infinite Glacier, because in this one you can only go up, and from what I can see, I'd say once you reach the top you go up on planes and stop climbing.

[Broken]

I'd like to point out that in most American tourneys, we only ban stages if there is some large flaw in the stage (such as the horrible camera zoom-out when the ufo comes in fourside.) Lots of tournaments use poke-floats and even brinstar as counter pick stages.

It's mainly the japanese who limit the stage select to one or two.

And I hate the IC's level in melee. Then again, I hate everything about the IC's existance in melee. DK's rivier level is a pain in the ass too. Some people can use the water to their advantage, but too often when I'm gaurding at the edge the attack knocks me backwards into the water and by the time I jump I'm already underneath the stage.

[Eulogic]

Lots of tournaments use poke-floats and even brinstar as counter pick stages.

I thought Pokefloats was generally banned due to fall-through glitches (specifically on Seel).

Then again, I hate everything about the IC's existance in melee.
:c i play ice climbers

Anyway, Infinite Glacier was terrible, as was Flat Zone. I wasn't a huge fan of Rainbow Cruise either.

[Drack]

Ha, Drack is the guy on the neighborhood watch posters.

Ironically, that huge image is costing them way more bandwidth than the one I hotlinked would.

It was an alien face, but apparantly we've moved on from the clouds.

[Hector]

In defense of Flat Zone, It may not have been particularly fair but it was fun. You're at high stress from the very beginning due to the sheer ease of death, and all the random objects are quite amusing in a party situation. And the best part about the board was that everything was designed to make it quick. Few matches lasted more than a minute. The Ice-Climbers stage, on the other hand, drew things out as people wasted time trying to survive rather than kill.

[BlueTronic]

i hope the glitch from the gamecube version that makes everyone faster except captain falcon and fox is on this version (most likely it won't)

[atmuh]

I thought Pokefloats was generally banned due to fall-through glitches (specifically on Seel).


:c i play ice climbers

Anyway, Infinite Glacier was terrible, as was Flat Zone. I wasn't a huge fan of Rainbow Cruise either.

poke floats is not banned
its a counter pick stage

infinite glacier sucked and so will this new one
oh well

they shouldve just remade japes
japes rocked

[Airwalker]

As long as there's plenty of variety in the level design, I'm sure we'll each find our niche.

[Red Shadow]

i loved kongo jungle so much but hated having to play it on mute

with luck the top of this stage will be similar, sans assy music

[Strike911]

I just... I love to play competitively, I love tourneys, but seriously, some levels are about fun, and having a random element thrown in FORCES *ahem* "good" players to get out of their little comfort zones and actually do something different for a change. Seriously, some of these tournament players I've seen lose to people that aren't at that kind of expert level because they're "not comfortable with the stage"... all they play is battlefield and they can't compensate for any small changes or hazards or elevated areas. Much less things like moving platforms. I hate this idea that you can't strategically or competetively fight in a level that isn't "tourney style." It's a really ridiculous kind of thought, imo.

Really, I just don't get why you can't "competetively" play on any stage that has no damage causing elements (or damage causing elements that essentially effect all players). For instance, Pokefloats, essentially at its core, its just a bunch of platforms in known sequence that move around and disappear. There's not a set size like those "tournament" style stages, but it seems to me like their is something valuable in a player that can adapt... which, unfortunately, a lot of competetive players cannot do. I think these rules that say "well you have to be on a flat level to be competitive" are ridiculous... in fact, if some of these tourney playing gamers would branch out a little, I thinkt they'd probably perform better in tourney stages anyway. Adapting, figuring out somthing; that's more strategic.

I mean, someone may have higher ground than you, how do you defend or get the advantage? I think thoughts like this are more valuable and impressive than wavedashing on a flat level, then rolling around each other until you can find an opening. Sure there is skill required, but I personally think it's an error in thinking to say fighting on an incline is unfair, merely because you have an equal opportunity to use the same strategies against the enemy.

Tourney stages have their place, true, but ... well, I just don't like the idea that some stages that don't meet tourney specs are n00b levels because their's something in it that tourney players don't like, IE moving platforms, cars, etc.

/rant

[Lord.Roderick.i]

I just... I love to play competitively, I love tourneys, but seriously, some levels are about fun, and having a random element thrown in FORCES *ahem* "good" players to get out of their little comfort zones and actually do something different for a change. Seriously, some of these tournament players I've seen lose to people that aren't at that kind of expert level because they're "not comfortable with the stage"... all they play is battlefield and they can't compensate for any small changes or hazards or elevated areas. Much less things like moving platforms. I hate this idea that you can't strategically or competetively fight in a level that isn't "tourney style." It's a really ridiculous kind of thought, imo.

Really, I just don't get why you can't "competetively" play on any stage that has no damage causing elements (or damage causing elements that essentially effect all players). For instance, Pokefloats, essentially at its core, its just a bunch of platforms in known sequence that move around and disappear. There's not a set size like those "tournament" style stages, but it seems to me like their is something valuable in a player that can adapt... which, unfortunately, a lot of competetive players cannot do. I think these rules that say "well you have to be on a flat level to be competitive" are ridiculous... in fact, if some of these tourney playing gamers would branch out a little, I thinkt they'd probably perform better in tourney stages anyway. Adapting, figuring out somthing; that's more strategic.

I mean, someone may have higher ground than you, how do you defend or get the advantage? I think thoughts like this are more valuable and impressive than wavedashing on a flat level, then rolling around each other until you can find an opening. Sure there is skill required, but I personally think it's an error in thinking to say fighting on an incline is unfair, merely because you have an equal opportunity to use the same strategies against the enemy.

Tourney stages have their place, true, but ... well, I just don't like the idea that some stages that don't meet tourney specs are n00b levels because their's something in it that tourney players don't like, IE moving platforms, cars, etc.

/rant
Well said, I think the same way
/nod

[KeeperS]

I didn't care much for the Ice Climbers' stage in Melee. On the other hand, I loved Pokefloats and Rainbow Cruise. I guess it wasn't the concept of scrolling stages that bothered me, just the implementation of that particular one. Hopefully this new DK stage will be an improvement.

If we're lucky, Brawl will have a lot of stage diversity. That way there's something for everyone - even whiney tourney players.

[Red Shadow]

Leave the tourney players the fuck alone, guys.

If you notice they never bring up this shit at first. Somebody always comes by and goes "durr haha i bet tourney players will whine about this."

Then they come in and call you assholes about it and you claim theyre retarded.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AA

[Mr.Roboto]

I want to see a stage that has completely random platform generation.

That would be pretty awesome.

[supremespleen]

let's argue about wavedashing

[Fo0dNippl3]

i loved kongo jungle so much but hated having to play it on mute

with luck the top of this stage will be similar, sans assy music
I've lurked on the OCR forums for a while now and decided that I had to register to declare that I am flabbergasted that anyone could dislike the DK Rap.

[Jam Stunna]

I've lurked on the OCR forums for a while now and decided that I had to register to declare that I am flabbergasted that anyone could dislike the DK Rap.

This man speaks the truth.

[Red Shadow]

! heh

[Broken]

let's argue about wavedashing

I accept your challenge! rawr. /joke

I love the other DK level btw. (the one with the monkey rap. The sadly edited version, that is.) The platforms are interesting, and the logs and fish are good for random goodness. Luckily you don't automatically die when you fall beneath the main stage like in the other DK level (river.)

And there's a barrel!

[Strike911]

hmm, no update yet.... another strangely late update. Is it just me or does it seem that everytime we get an update that isn't on time, we get something really weird from Sakurai, IE the trophy balance, bowser in the sky update... HMM...

still waitin'... I guess I can reflect on past and current events while I wait for my fix.

[NeoForte]

It's Yoshi Profile

[atmuh]

awwwwwwwwwwww

"he can now use his up special move, the Egg Toss, to increase the distance of his jump."
FINALLY

[Jam Stunna]

My wife is so psyched about this. Yoshi is her main, and I know she's happy that is recovery is a little less crappy.

[atmuh]

My wife is so psyched about this. Yoshi is her main, and I know she's happy that is recovery is a little less crappy.

same with my gf

[FuriousFure]

so characters are going to have crazy interaction with each other now?

that bottom right pic makes it seem like characters interact with each other to the MAX.

[Arek the Absolute]

Why the fuck does Yoshi look like clay to me?

EDIT: What the fuck did they honestly expect us to think when they showed this of all images:
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/yoshi/yoshi_070724d.jpg

[Strike911]

he's not nearly as shiney as he was in Melee, which is good. He looks "cuter" looking, more like the old SNES days imo. =)

So yoshi gets a triple jump. I think its for the best, I mean, he was one of least played characters in melee, its cool that they're giving him a little more spunk.

Seriously though, Yoshi is gettin' it on.

Ride that monkey!

[Dopple Boppler]

What a cutie pie.

[Amayirot Akago]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/yoshi/yoshi_070724d-l.jpg
Ever heard of the expression "having a monkey on your back"? Well here's a monkey with a dinosaur on his back!

[Wipomatic]

I can't tell if DK is horrified or pleased. O__o

[Bigfoot]

I sure hope Ness is still in the game. Imagine if he wasn't? The people over at Starmen.net probably wouldn't be too happy.. lol.

[nookster]

probably something that's been said a dozen times, but i really want to express how much I want to see Olimar (seems very likely right?)
I don't even really like the pikmin games, but come on. A cute little guy using all kinds of pikmin related moves :D
Should be awesome.
Oh, and a pikmin theme stage while they're on it. Fighting in een gigantic garden. Pikmins attacking hulking beast in the background.

Yeah, gettin fanboyish excited :S

[Ray Falling]

I can't tell if DK is horrified or pleased. O__o

"He's so complex" *gasp*

>_>

Aww but yay, I'm happy to see Yoshi back :) He's one of my favourite characters in the Mario universe.
I expect many cute sounds and happiness!

[Vidilian]

I expect many cute sounds and happiness!

Judging by that pic with DK, you'll probably get your wish.

[The Author]

Yeah, Yoshi totally is riding DK... it has nothing to do with DK's grab...

[FuriousFure]

probably something that's been said a dozen times, but i really want to express how much I want to see Olimar (seems very likely right?)
I don't even really like the pikmin games, but come on. A cute little guy using all kinds of pikmin related moves :D
Should be awesome.
Oh, and a pikmin theme stage while they're on it. Fighting in een gigantic garden. Pikmins attacking hulking beast in the background.

Yeah, gettin fanboyish excited :S

I am 100% sure that he'll be in this game if only as an Assist Trophy.

[eternal Zero]

Egg propulsion? Sweet.

Also, I don't think that pic with DK has anything to do with any move. It looks more like Yoshi is just falling and is clipping through DK.

[Sir_NutS]

Well, unless they shorten the range of yoshi's hover, yoshi will have the greatest recovery of all the characters.

[Geoffrey Taucer]

Yoshi has a third jump now? 'Bout fuckin' time. His lack of one was about the only thing that prevented him from being one of the best characters in melee.

[Eten]

Well, unless they shorten the range of yoshi's hover, yoshi will have the greatest recovery of all the characters.

Not quite. Yoshi always had awesome distance and height on his second jump but compare it to the likes of Samus or Peach or Jigglypuff, and there are plenty of other characters out there with great recovery that would still be just as good or better as Yoshi's recovery. But what hurt worse was the fact that he was so predictable and that, despite being heavier, you knock yoshi one time and he's got nothing. Any other character with a third jump gets to jump again after being hit. That was the problem.

[cobaltstarfire]

Ooh he's cute, and looks more like old yoshi. Something about his nose kind of bugs me though, I know Yoshi has always had a big head, but his snout seems a little too round or something?

I never found any need for a third jump on him before, but it's cool if he has one. They probably nerfed the way he used to jump somehow though if he has a true third jump now, and not just some weird little boost from egg throwing, which would change his game play quite a bit.

Course they did say not to expect the characters to play the same so I guess that's to be expected.

Edit:

you knock yoshi one time and he's got nothing. Any other character with a third jump gets to jump again after being hit. That was the problem.

Most of the time hitting yoshi mid-jump doesn't knock him back or out, or even disrupt his jump much, it can yes, but it depends on when exactly you hit him.

[HideousBeing]

I never found any need for a third jump on him before, but it's cool if he has one. They probably nerfed the way he used to jump somehow though if he has a true third jump now, and not just some weird little boost from egg throwing, which would change his game play quite a bit.
I disagree. Yoshi's lack of a third jump makes him so easy to edgeguard, and very predictable. Yoshi has limited invincibility during the rise in his jump, yes, but most players know what exactly when he's vulnerable to attack and just wait. The fact that Yoshis often use their air dodge as means of a third jump also makes them very predictable and punishable. He is a great character on the ground- I've seen good players own with him. His lack of a jump cancellable shield is another handicap though. Yoshi just loses ownage value when he is knocked off the edge. Yoshi needs that extra jump for sure.

[Ray Falling]

Okay, but here's another question for ya guys: how in the heck is Yoshi gonna jump a third time using the egg toss???
The first thing that comes to mind is Ness' recovery, but it makes no sense for an egg to come back, knock Yoshi in his behind, and give him the extra boost a la PK Thunder 0_0;

So how does he do it? How will tossing an egg make him jump another time?

Actually, it says it INCREASES his jump DISTANCE, not nessesarily add a third "jump".

Hmm, a mystery...*dies*

[Trapical]

I have always liked Yoshi
*points to avatar of Yoshi Kart*

But I don't know... Yoshi looks kinda like a homo now...


http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/yoshi/yoshi.jpg

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/yoshi/yoshi_070724c-l.jpg

[cobaltstarfire]

I disagree. Yoshi's lack of a third jump makes him so easy to edgeguard, and very predictable. Yoshi has limited invincibility during the rise in his jump, yes, but most players know what exactly when he's vulnerable to attack and just wait. The fact that Yoshis often use their air dodge as means of a third jump also makes them very predictable and punishable. He is a great character on the ground- I've seen good players own with him. His lack of a jump cancellable shield is another handicap though. Yoshi just loses ownage value when he is knocked off the edge. Yoshi needs that extra jump for sure.


Ok you need a third jump, I've never had a huge problem with edge guarders or being "very predictable."

[dsx100]

Glad to see Yoshi is back (what a suprise!). I just like using Yoshi agianst my friends. They get so pissed when I own them with him because they think he is a crappy character. One word "Juggle". His lack of a 3rd jump is a big weakness for him but if you play him enough, you get used to it after a while. Great character to play in friendly matches.

[OA]

But I don't know... Yoshi looks kinda like a homo now...


http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/yoshi/yoshi.jpg

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/yoshi/yoshi_070724c-l.jpg

It's a cartoon dinosaur with no genitals. I wouldn't worry about his sexual preference too much regardless. Don't all the Yoshis look the same anyways?
I think what you are trying to say is that he needs a few guns like Shadow the hedgehog so he can be more hardcorez? ;-)

[The Author]

But I don't know... Yoshi looks kinda like a homo now...
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/yoshi/yoshi_070724c-l.jpg

Dude, using homo with a pejorative meaning is kinda... offensive you know.

Please stop doing so.

[eternal Zero]

When I mentioned "propulsion" I meant that it probably will work similarly to Ness's third jump. Except this time around I assume you can aim your eggs in a direction. Fire an egg, get recoil. Fire downward, break fisiks. Of course physics never mattered to begin with.

[Airwalker]

It's a cartoon dinosaur with no genitals. I wouldn't worry about his sexual preference too much regardless.

Yoshis are in fact asexual creatures. He can lay an egg on demand. And really, he has little empathy for his offspring--an interesting characteristic, no doubt.

[Dhsu]

Well, the eggs aren't fertilized or anything.

[eternal Zero]

Well, the eggs aren't fertilized or anything.

Except for the final smash. You throw an egg and it hatches into the fat yoshi from SMRPG and crushes the opposition. :<

[Bigfoot]

You should be able to hatch a baby yoshi, and have it gobble up 3 things similar to G&W's down B, lol.

[The Author]

You should be able to hatch a baby yoshi, and have it gobble up 3 things similar to G&W's down B, lol.

Nah, the final smash is gonna be Yoshi laying down a bunch of eggs that will then hatch and swallow up whatever they can, as piranhas would.

[anclunn]

He'll probably do another little flutter whenever he's in the air and fires and egg. What I want to know is this: In Melee, Yoshi could use his up+b multiple times in the air because it wasn't actually a third jump. Will Yoshi be restricted to a single toss per jump this time around because it will help him recover?

[eternal Zero]

He'll probably do another little flutter whenever he's in the air and fires and egg. What I want to know is this: In Melee, Yoshi could use his up+b multiple times in the air because it wasn't actually a third jump. Will Yoshi be restricted to a single toss per jump this time around because it will help him recover?

I'm thinking diminishing returns. As you continue to use it, you'll be propelled less and less. They might add something that gives you more lift when you use it, but cuts your momentum.

[FuriousFure]

Dude, using homo with a pejorative meaning is kinda... offensive you know.

Please stop doing so.


well, if fact, it was sorta up the reader on how to interpret in what context "homo" was suppose to be. in the initial phrase, the writer didn't have any demeaning or disparaging meaning to the sentence. he was merely pointing out that yoshi does seem, to him, a little more homosexual in brawl.

I didn't take offense to it, nor did i think that he was putting down yoshi for seeming this way. It was you, in all actuality, who put the negative meaning into the word "homo", not him.

Anyways. Yoshi is a fine example showing they are trying to capture the look of each characters finest moments. and yoshi's is on the SNES on which claymation-type animation was king.

When Ness is announced he should look very similar to yoshi in the claymation type of way. as he is from that era in gaming and I've seen the original clay figure of ness on wiki and i hope that he looks like a "living" version of that on Brawl.

[The Author]

well, if fact, it was sorta up the reader on how to interpret in what context "homo" was suppose to be. in the initial phrase, the writer didn't have any demeaning or disparaging meaning to the sentence. he was merely pointing out that yoshi does seem, to him, a little more homosexual in brawl.

I didn't take offense to it, nor did i think that he was putting down yoshi for seeming this way. It was you, in all actuality, who put the negative meaning into the word "homo", not him.

I beg to differ. The context was: "I like yoshi, but he looks homo now."

The but following an affirmation of appreciation for yoshi means that whatever follows is gonna go against the original statement.

"I like candy but I don't like gobstoppers."

So, whatever followed the but was supposed to go against the general sentiment of the sentence.

Secondly, what does "homo" look like? Is there an actual definition of what all homosexuals are supposed to look like? Is there a memo (Hey, now that you are out of the closet, you have to put these clothes")?

Looking "homo" usually refers to stereotypical depiction of homosexuals. In fact, I am sure that if I told you you looked homo, you would not like it.

So, we have the use of a word in a negative context (the but) and with a meaning that is dependent on preconceived ideas of how homosexuals look like.

Had the word been effeminate, queer (meaning odd) or even flaming (because flaming can refer to a style) I would not have taken offense.

Finally, I have a question: How does Yoshi look a little more homosexual in brawl? I did not see him profess his love to another male, he is not engaging in intercourse with another male Yoshi, heck, he doesn't even have a speech bubble that says "Hi, I'm homosexual."

Homosexuality is NOT A PHYSICAL TRAIT. You cannot have a homo look.




But enough derailing this thread to try to educate some people to the notion of respect.

[Final_metroid]

jesus christ, i SHOULD be offended at what he said before about the yoshi thing but not really -_-

[Cerrax]

Anyways. Yoshi is a fine example showing they are trying to capture the look of each characters finest moments. and yoshi's is on the SNES on which claymation-type animation was king.

Actually, Yoshi's design in Smash Bros Melee and Brawl is a hybrid of new and old Yoshi. Old Yoshi has very small, short arms and wore a saddle. He did not stand fully upright and models of him were made out of clay. The new Yoshi walks upright, has much larger arms and head and has a very clean/polished look as his is computer animated. The Yoshi in SSBM and SSBB has features of both. He walks like the old yoshi (in a sort of raptor-like pose) but does stand upright for most attacks. He has a large head and bigger arms, but retains a clay/scaly sort of texture to his skin.

[The Author]

That's real hit or miss with you, RD. But whatever, education is important regardless.
When it comes to respect, I go on a case by case basis. I never dislike entire groups, I only dislike individuals.

(which means I could say that the previous dude was being a real Eric because I remember a person who assumed he was not being offensive because his remarks were followed by a "disclaimer" that he liked "those guys" anyway.)


As for yoshi's third jump, what if he launched an egg downwards pushing himself up?

Or there could be two upBs, one when he is on the ground and the other when he is in midair.

[eternal Zero]

When it comes to respect, I go on a case by case basis. I never dislike entire groups, I only dislike individuals.

(which means I could say that the previous dude was being a real Eric because I remember a person who assumed he was not being offensive because his remarks were followed by a "disclaimer" that he liked "those guys" anyway.)


As for yoshi's third jump, what if he launched an egg downwards pushing himself up?

Or there could be two upBs, one when he is on the ground and the other when he is in midair.

1. It was a lame thing for me to say. I do believe I deleted that post. Whatever. Moving on.

2. Said that multiple times already. I agree with the notion.

[FuriousFure]

It's a cartoon dinosaur with no genitals. I wouldn't worry about his sexual preference too much regardless. Don't all the Yoshis look the same anyways?
I think what you are trying to say is that he needs a few guns like Shadow the hedgehog so he can be more hardcorez? ;-)

You mean like this? http://photic.slimemansion.com/windcrystal/image/boshi.jpg


and Radical Dreamer, you're right. i misunderstood the situation and i was wrong. but then again nobody can deny that there hasn't been changes in yoshi's mannerisms since Smash Bros on the N64. which i beilive was the point of the ill-worded post of discussion.

[The Author]

Well, we do have birdo the travestite (possible pre-op transexual) pink lizard, so I don't mind Yoshi being gay.

[Fo0dNippl3]

Anyways. Yoshi is a fine example showing they are trying to capture the look of each characters finest moments. and yoshi's is on the SNES on which claymation-type animation was king.

When was Yoshi clay-like on the SNES?

[OA]

You mean like this? http://photic.slimemansion.com/windcrystal/image/boshi.jpg


needz moar gunz!!!!

like this

http://www.oceansend.com/5502/yoshi.jpg

anyways, I know Yoshi is the new info guy now, but I really want some detailed info on Pit. I'd love for him to play like a slightly more floaty version of Link. No matter how many times I play other characters, I just really like the heft of Link's attacks. Not too strong and slow, but can do some good damage if you find an opening. Pit'd Probably sacrifice a little bit of damage done to have better recovery. Just as long as he doesn't play like a jiggly/kirby superlightweight.

[Arek the Absolute]

I sure hope Ness is still in the game. Imagine if he wasn't? The people over at Starmen.net probably wouldn't be too happy.. lol.

That would be stupid. Kirby and Ness are both Hal's love children, though Ness is more like the child locked up in the basement while Kirby gets all the attention.

[megadave]

Little Mac will be there. I know this.

[FuriousFure]

When was Yoshi clay-like on the SNES?


http://www.smrpglegacy.com/Nintendo%20Pictures/Super%20Mario%20RPG/3-D%20Super%20Mario%20RPG.gif
Super Mario RPG. the first pseudo 3d game with yoshis in it.
and remember, they could have tried to make yoshi more like a real dinosaur by giving him scales and fangs ala Super Mario Bros: The Movie. just how they gave Mario detailed denim overals and realsitic clothing.http

http://xerto.free.fr/yoshi.jpg

oh yeah. look at this! sorta familar looking...

[Fo0dNippl3]

http://xerto.free.fr/yoshi.jpg

The Yoshi from SMW, his original appearance, and SMW2 is more storybook, hand-drawn looking than clay-like. That's what I was saying.

[Tenucha]

Boshi should be an alternitive Yoshi character :)

And I'm digging the Aquabats signature

[Kiyosuki]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/yoshi/yoshi_070724d-l.jpg

Hmm



EDIT: What the fuck did they honestly expect us to think when they showed this of all images.

Was the first thing on my mind too. You know...you have to wonder whether it was on Sakurai or whoever takes these screenshots minds or not. Its not important, but whenever something like this happens I always wonder if it was intentional or not. Like can someone really be that dense?

[Makai]

His saddle looks like a turtleshell

[FuriousFure]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/yoshi/yoshi_070724d-l.jpg

Hmm



Was the first thing on my mind too. You know...you have to wonder whether it was on Sakurai or whoever takes these screenshots minds or not. Its not important, but whenever something like this happens I always wonder if it was intentional or not. Like can someone really be that dense?

well honestly, the first thing that popped into my head upon viewing that pic was that Yoshi is "picking" the bugs out of DK's hair like the stereo-typical monkey behavior we all know.

[AMT]

For Yoshi's Up+B giving him a jump, I just pictured it like Ice Climbers when you have no partner, except a bit further, and in that same hand motion he throws an egg the same way he does now.

[friendlyHunter]

http://www.themushroomkingdom.net/mariopedia/c/yoshi.gif

Made of clay??
What the fuck did they honestly expect us to think when they showed this of all images.

C'mon, you guys's imaginations are out of control. I totally didn't notice anything about the screenshots, until I read Kiyosuki's latest post.

I did however notice immediately that the main character pose was a little... err, a LOT... ummm, "queer", so to speak. When I saw it I thought "oh, so THAT's why they haven't shown Yoshi until now." Actually, a couple weeks ago I hypothesized that his new Brawl look (whatever it was going to be) was why they hadn't shown such a major character yet. They've made sure to get us completely hooked via 15 seconds of gameplay footage before they show us all the iffy stuff =P

Let's just hope we don't see Captain Falcon in a pose like that. "Show me your moves!" Oh, I'm not even gonna go th- oh, it's too late =[ I'm sorry.....



Sooo.... how about that egg throwing move? Personally I'm wondering why some of us here are thinking "Hmmm, how on earth will Yoshi be able to triple jump...? Maybe he throws an egg at himself! Or maybe throws an egg downwards!"

News flash: ALL the characters can triple jump already! It doesn't need to make ANY sense at all! Chances are, Yoshi simply jumps and then throws an egg, or floats and throws an egg. Either that, or he literally "increases the distance of his jump", or does something like DeathBySpoon said. Does it obey the law of gravity? nNooooOOooOOo! Since when did Smash Bros. moves (and especially B-up moves) make any sense physically??


I'm hoping Yoshi's eating/put-you-in-egg B move actually has a use besides occasionally killing dumb CPU players (and beginners, who are not necessarily dumb). It'd be great if it caused a decent amount of damage without putting a halt to the action - perhaps the player in the egg could hop and jump around, like the infinitely maneuverable eggs that follow Yoshi in Yoshi's island ^_^

And does anybody EVER use Yoshi's turn-into-an-egg-and-try-not-to-roll-into-the-pit-oh-god-how-do-I-cancel-this-move move from Melee? What is it FOR??? I'm actually curious, I want to know if that move has ever caused any sort of minuscule gameplay advantage to a person using it, besides confusing his/her opponent.

Trivia: try that move in the Flat Zone stage, and when you change direction you'll see the egg turn like a flat paper a la Paper Mario.


Hey... do you think characters can land on each other now? Or maybe just on DK? Maybe just allies? That'd be interesting. And landing on Bowser could cause damage =p
... and I'll say this once more: where's Mario's stomp-on-enemy move? He should totally be able to stomp on an opponent (via aerial down-A or neutral-A perhaps) and bounce up off him. Even a small bounce, exactly like Link's aerial A-down, would be perfect for Mario & Luigi. Homage to the original characters my ass.

Oh yes, one more thing: clay Ness character...is....AWESOME!!!

[Bigfoot]

well honestly, the first thing that popped into my head upon viewing that pic was that Yoshi is "picking" the bugs out of DK's hair like the stereo-typical monkey behavior we all know.

Haha, me too.

And dammit friendlyhunter, I thought they made an update with Ness :P haha

[friendlyHunter]

http://starmen.net/mother2/images/official/clay_m2ness.png

Ness is from Mother 2, and of course is returning to fight in Smash Bros. again. It looks like he is made of clay! When he shoots thunder, you can change its direction with the control stick, so look out!

(screenshot)

Ness is rockin'! BAMBAMBAMBAMBAMBAMBAMBAMBAM!!


Sigh... I can dream......

[Bigfoot]

Yeah, and his final smash will be that Paula prays and everyone is hit for 15000%+ lol.

[AMT]

Honestly, we're probably going to get Lucas instead of Ness, as he was supposed to replace him in Melee, but Mother 3 hadn't come out yet. Crap, I wish I could play Mother 3.... D:

[Bigfoot]

Ness has to still be in Smash. He's such a fun character to play with.

[Makai]

Honestly, we're probably going to get Lucas instead of Ness Both of them could be in the game if they decide to include clones in brawl.

[AMT]

Both of them could be in the game if they decide to include clones in brawl.

Or costume changes.

[friendlyHunter]

Why would he need to be a clone? From what I see, Ness's Smash repertoire is largely independent of what he does in the game (well, his B-moves anyway). Sure, he's fun to play, but if the game has both Lucas and Ness, they'd probably make all new moves for Lucas, leaving Ness with all the "classic" Smash moves. Even if Lucas has moves with the same name (thunder, fire, etc.), they could do completely different things.

Ness's final Smash? NESS used the Ruler! Now he can find the exact measurement of things!

So, any guesses for tommorow's update? Mine is more info on Pit, or his stage. I know guessing the next update is utterly pointless, but... is that not crux of this thread?



(To clarify, I mean to say that being pointless is the crux of this thread)

[Edit]
Hmm, the idea that Lucas (or other Earthbound characters) could have completely new and interesting psi moves really get me thinking about the huge potential a Golden Sun character could have. The original has so many combinations of spells (was it called "psi" in those games too?), it'd be easy to come up with a fun and inventive set of Smash moves. And the Final Smash could obviously be one of those insane summons.

[Cerrax]

Ness's Final Smash has got to be PSI Rockin'!!

One thing I've always wondered is, does Smash Bros get its name from EarthBound? I mean a Critical Hit in EarthBound is actually called a Smash Attack.

[AMT]

Ness's Final Smash has got to be PSI Rockin'!!

One thing I've always wondered is, does Smash Bros get its name from EarthBound? I mean a Critical Hit in EarthBound is actually called a Smash Attack.

Win on the Rockin'. And yeah, I think it might have, at least partly. There are other elements from games in Smash aside from the characters / levels etc, like the character select screen music in SSB64 was from Kirby's Superstar, I think.

[NeoForte]

Pit's stage looks fun

[FuriousFure]

It feels great to break it!

that's what she said! lol

well, Skyworld is another welcome addition to danger-zone stages!

[Dhsu]

Hmmmm...no solid floors? This has potential.

Or it could be another banned stage. :P

[friendlyHunter]

The bottommost platform (on the right side) and the slanty platform on the left have no clouds under them; likely those two are indestructible.

So I finally got an update guess right and actually posted it BEFORE the update. Whee, go me :oops:

[TheLeviathan]

It looks like you can smash people through the clouds, so I wonder how cheap good spikers will be.

[Kiyosuki]

I just can't wait to hear a modern rendition of a Kid Icarus tune.

[Drack]

I think I'll be playing this stage a lot.

It's like a battlefield variant of what bridge of eldin was for final destination. Only brinstar style.

Thumbs up to this stage.

[Geoffrey Taucer]

Wow, today's update doesn't have a shred of new information.

[Sir_NutS]

meh update. But I do agree i nthat I can't wait to hear the arrangement of the kid icarus tune.

[Brithor]

Wow, today's update doesn't have a shred of new information.

But we got captions!

[FuriousFure]

But we got captions!

and great ones at that.

[Strike911]

and great ones at that.

They are great captions! Couldn't you just read them from left to right?

-Sakurai

[NeoForte]

Apperantly you can jump off characters like a tranpoline?

[Jam Stunna]

Nice. Now every character has a meteor smash.

[Arek the Absolute]

The new update looks fucking cheap.
Edge guarders that choose fast characters just got a new strategy.

[FuriousFure]

UPDATE Jul. 26 Thu. 2007: Unbridled Chaos!




a major awesome gameplay addition!

Bah! I shall jump on thee whilst you feverishly try to recover thy self. and I shall scorn thee for thine efforts.

[Strike911]

oh wow. That's a cool move!!! Doing it in the air and all!!!!!!

Sweet. I hope it's real difficult to do!! ^_^ SOOoo cool.

This is an awesome update. *jumps up and down*

It could get cheap, but really, when you're trying to edge guard you have to be careful of their triple jump.... I'd imagine nearly all aerial attacks will probably negate this for balancing... That's cool though.

I could see some interesting cooperative uses for this in a team match.

This update gets two thumbs up from me. :)

EDIT: I guess that's what Yoshi was doing to Donkey Kong last time.... in fact, it makes things better now that Yoshi wasn't doing the nasty to Donkey Kong yesterday.

[Chuckles]

The new update looks fucking cheap.
Edge guarders that choose fast characters just got a new strategy.

I'm pretty sure, judging from the pictures and descriptions, that you can only do it when they're on the ground. Obviously I don't know for sure, but I think they're smart enough to know how insane it would be if you could just jump off anyone's head (OMGZP3N12!!!) in midair.

But who knows.

[Strike911]

I'm pretty sure, judging from the pictures and descriptions, that you can only do it when they're on the ground. Obviously I don't know for sure, but I think they're smart enough to know how insane it would be if you could just jump off anyone's head (OMGZP3N12!!!) in midair.

But who knows.

You can use it to perform Meteor Smashes!

-Sakurai

Those the aerial downward attacks that send you straight down... in Melee DK does them, Captain Falcon could do them in their regular move sets. They're all done in the air. So this move can be done in the air also, this picture illustrates this as well... they're both airborne.

[Kiyosuki]

Man the edge-guarders are going to have a field day with this new technique. lol

But I'm sure there's other counter uses for it too to balance things out. Every character combo wise I think's going to be able to benefit from it in some way at least.

[friendlyHunter]

If recovering is a technique, then there must also be techniques to guard against recovery. Fierce aerial battles often rule the match!

He wasn't kidding when he said "techniques to guard against recovery". We should've seen this move coming from 1000 miles away!

Also, he says "Now press the jump button with perfect timing". Seems likely the default controls will have jump as a button, rather than up. I'd be happy if that was the case =]


Do you need a double jump in you to perform a Footstool jump? (I cringe at the thought of what pros might call it later... probably some cryptic one-syllable word like 'sftool', 'stew' or 'fool'.... or maybe 'Boing!') If you do need to double jump to do it, I wonder what they'd do to prevent Kirby from doing this move way too much. I suppose his opponent would likely have ample time to attack/avoid Kirby before he lands on you in an oh-so-floaty fashion.

It's looking more and more like the characters' B-up moves will be VERY important to how the game is played. Let's hope there's some good strategy involved in recovering.

[Chuckles]

The new update looks fucking cheap.
Edge guarders that choose fast characters just got a new strategy.

You can use it to perform Meteor Smashes!

-Sakurai

Those the aerial downward attacks that send you straight down... in Melee DK does them, Captain Falcon could do them in their regular move sets. They're all done in the air. So this move can be done in the air also, this picture illustrates this as well... they're both airborne.

Oh. I always called those "spikes."

Well I can't very well buy the game now, can I?

[Arek the Absolute]

Why the fuck did you quote me when you said that? I never was against buying the game, douchebag.

[DJ Tempora]

Oh. I always called those "spikes."

Well I can't very well buy the game now, can I?
Just so you know, a spike is a different move altogether from a meteor smash. You can recover from a meteor smash; you cannot recover from a spike.

[friendlyHunter]

Interesting.... how do you do a Meteor Smash then?

[Jam Stunna]

Interesting.... how do you do a Meteor Smash then?

Some moves are called meteor smashes (Samus' down A, GDorf's Down A, etc.). They are known as such because they can be canceled and recovered from. Spikes, on the other hand, cannot be canceled. Examples of this are Marth's down A and Falco's down A.

[Ray Falling]

Anywaaay T__T;

It's a nice update to me :) It looks hilarious! *bounces Bowser off of Kirby's head*

I'm looking forward to trying this technique out. If you can do it on a teammate then things could get really hectic :)

Didn't someone sort of predict this thing a few pages back btw? >_> It's like this Sakurai fellow is just taking ideas from this board thinking "hey this could be cool". Then he whips up some fancy screenshots and we're all thinking the game is actually almost done but in reality all we're going to get when we buy it is a game disc with soundtrack remixes and a "Thank you OCR for the ideas MWUAHAHAHAH"

n_n; oh man those evil Japs n_n;

[Imagist]

Dammit. They just turned Smash Bros. into Mario Party. There's no way this can turn out well.

[Mr.Roboto]

Actually..thats kind of cool.

Someone uses their Final Smash and knocks everyone off of the stage,you can recover by using other players as temporary stages and to get the kill for yourself.

[Kiyosuki]

If Zelda doesn't transform into Sheik in this game (we still don't know for certain.), then at least this'll really help her out, since her down A in the air in Melee was kind of ass.

[Drack]

New, different, and very strategy-altering update.

It will be interesting how this turns out.

[The Mutericator]

Why the fuck did you quote me when you said that? I never was against buying the game, douchebag.

Lighten up, srsly.

[Sir_NutS]

The plot thickens...

[Arek the Absolute]

Lighten up, srsly.

Shut up. No, seriously. Telling me out of everyone else here who obviously have been a lot more harsh to lighten up?

You have like a vendetta against me or something.

also sup sir nuts

EDIT:
Dammit. They just turned Smash Bros. into Mario Party. There's no way this can turn out well.

lol k

[The Author]

Refresh my memory, how did the collision detection work on smash in previous versions? Could you push someone?

I cant remember if you could run through someone or not...

This update suggests that you would not be able to run through someone and that seems interesting.

[Strange]

I saw this coming a mile off...

Remember the first time you fought Luigi instead of Mario in SSBM's Adventure Mode? Watching the cutscene where Luigi steps on Mario's head and sends him plummeting?

Every time, I thought, "Man, I really wish I could do that in-game."

[Drack]

Refresh my memory, how did the collision detection work on smash in previous versions? Could you push someone?

I cant remember if you could run through someone or not...

This update suggests that you would not be able to run through someone and that seems interesting.

You could *run* through someone in melee. If you were slowly walking, you would slowly push them.

[eternal Zero]

I wonder if this counts as another first jump, because if it does, that's pretty freaking awesome. Also, I do like the skill that'd be involved with the timing of the jump button while aiming to fall on their heads while they try to avoid you. I can just see a person air-dodging to their own death to take someone else with them.

[Lord.Roderick.i]

This update is so freaking cool!
It opens up so many possibilities :D
And looks so much fun!
But yeah... I wonder if you have done both your jumps and you are falling, but theres someone below you, would you be able to perform the Footstool Jump?

[Arek the Absolute]

This update makes sense as to why the hell up b recoveries go so fucking far now.

[dsx100]

Man this looks fun. This was something I had wanted to do since the first smash bros. I wonder if every character is going to have some sort of spring like animation.

[Eulogic]

This seems like it could be the most significant new mechanic they've announced. Or maybe not. We'll have to wait and see how much of an effect it actually has on gameplay.

[ILLiterate]

Dumb, now every character has a meteor smash